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  • BroMikey
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    Hey Dave how are things going? I ordered a 1/4" thick 14" dia stainless plate yesterday. Annular cutter next.
    I want to make a bigger one. The cancellation too. Ribbon will be here soon. Wire and magnets here I come. My biggest obstacle (in my mind) is which framing material to go with. I like composites of eglass. I am looking for a 1-1/4" shaft hub made of stainless and a shaft too. Just a matter of time. There is no reason to feel bad, if it wasn't for you I would never have gotten this far with any kind of confidence. You will always be the man.

    Just because I trash you every once in a while doesn't mean I am ungrateful. I was hoping you would get tough and bust out your big machine before you cash in your chips. Don't wait like Don Smith where he could barely talk in his 80's. Either way I won't let you off.

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  • Turion
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    Bro,
    January of 2014 is when I made the first video of an early version of the generator. I just watched Matt's ORIGINAL VIDEO and it is from December 8, 2014, so that's when I started on this. I have changed wire size since then, added another SIX magnets to the rotor, and increased the THICKNESS of the magnets x 3, the RPM is increased just a bit. I also added another 1,200 FEET of wire to the coils. All those changes add up to the output of the CURRENT generator coils. Since each additional coil causes NO INTERACTION with the motor, which means NO increased amp draw to get an output, NO interaction with the magnets on the rotor due to magnetic neutralization, and just plain INCREASED OUTPUT POWER, it is ALL about the math, despite what bistander said. This video shows that the coil under load does NOT cause the motor to slow down. It shows that SAME coil providing 130 volts AC at .54 amps.

    You pay to turn the rotor with however many magnets you put on it. THAT IS ALL YOU PAY FOR. (Almost!) In my case that is 24 volts at about 13 amps or about 312 watts. There IS a cost, no matter how perfectly I build this machine to put all 12 coils in place. but it is still less than 400 watts to run it, which is as I claimed. The coils put out what they put out depending on how you wind them, the magnet thickness, number of magnets and rpm of the rotor. The machine in the first video could BARELY turn the rotor with TWO coils in place since it did NOT have magnetic neutralization in place. It put out around 140 watts, so was not great, but it SHOWED me that I could get the output I was looking for. It only took about three more years to figure out the magnetic neutralization and incorporate it into future designs. Anyway, here it is. This video was made for MATT, not you guys. He already knew what it took to turn the motor. 40 watts with only TWO magnets on the rotor. BUT according to bi, doesn't make ANY difference how many magnets you have. Once you are "up to speed" there is no effect. But then he doesn't have a clue what he is talking about since he has never built a machine. But you guys keep listening to him. I'm sure he has lots of free energy devices he will share with you. LOL

    This was filmed in 2014
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgWY3MaTHeA&t=5s

    Matt's original machine put out about 70 watts and ran on 40 watts. The one in this video put out 140 watts, but I don't remember what it cost to run. The idea was to run the motor between the output of the generator and the battery. Thus keeping the battery charged. The output of a couple coils did that fairly easily as I remember, once the voltage was stepped down and rectified. We knew we had it then. Still do.

    I looked for this video, and it wasn't on my YouTube channel, which kind of freaked me out. But then I remembered I have an old YouTube channel under the "Turion" name that has a whole bunch of videos, and it was there. All those videos were marked "Private" and I am in the process of converting them to 'Unlisted". If there are any of the generator (I know there are a BUNCH) that are worth watching, I will post the links here. Some are of really OLD versions of the generator, but not as old as this one.

    Here's a video of one of the EARLIER versions of the generator. This was filmed a YEAR earlier in 2013. The coil mounts in this version didn't work at all. As you can see, the magnetic lock is pretty strong. You know, that thing that bistander says "makes no difference" when the rotor is at speed. As you will notice, the guy in the video has no idea how to connect a motor to this machine. He learned. I have learned a lot. That's why there are so many versions of the generator. It didn't need three rotors. It only needed one. Same output, lower cost. Lots of changers over the seven years I worked on this.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J994dnYMKFA

    In this video I demonstrate that putting a coil under load does not slow the machine down. In fact it speeds the machine up.
    I show that one coil outputs 130 volts at at .45 amp, or 58 watts, so even with the lighter weight rotor that only had HALF the magnets on it, and the INFERIOR coils, the machine, with 12 coils, was capable of outputting 842 watts. What would STOP it from doing that? Lenz? Nah, I just showed Lenz is outrun by this machine. Magnetic drag like in the second video? Nah, Greyland demonstrated spinning the rotor on the CURRENT machine with one finger with 12 coils in place.

    You saw in a prior video I used 24 volts at 13 amps to run the CURRENT machine with 12 coils in place. So that would cost me less than 400 watts.Now I have bigger coils and more magnets on the rotor.

    The only question is, how much MORE than those old coils do the new ones put out. The answer is they output about 156 watts. But there are TWICE as many magnets on the rotor, the RPM is a little higher, there is 600 more feet of wire on the coil, and the windings are much tighter.

    If you still cannot see that all this is possible, I feel bad for you.
    Last edited by Turion; 07-31-2020, 07:23 AM.

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  • lotec
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    Thanks for the info
    regards

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  • BroMikey
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    yes, you don't want a long core and the wrong core material. The number we want of tape to roll up metal cores cheap is 1k107. This puts us in the 5000 range not 200. Good to hear old school. Theoretical a weed whip 2 cycle engine is big enough to generator a few thousand watts. The gas motor only must pull the rotor weight. No other drag is part of this calculation so this is infinite.

    Originally posted by lotec View Post

    These coils maybe ok for short coils, but noticed that when longer lengths of the core material were used, reluctance losses came into play. Probably better to use the wire lenght wise the way Mr Bedini, Turion and others do. Originally intended to study the effect of eddies.

    Working on 6 pole, bipolar rotor to introduce to Briggs and Straton lawnmower magneto . Going old school.
    Cheers

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  • lotec
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    Originally posted by lotec View Post
    Ive used nuts , bolts and steel threaded rod as core material. With just 1 core the prime mover couldnt break the magnetic lock and its input power nearly doubled. So I used the thinnest stainless rod i could find 4 or 5 mm and wound a neat coil of plastic coated steel garden tie wire 20mm diameter and used that as the core.

    The prime mover broke the lock, used a fraction of the additional power, and the same genrator coil made heaps more power.

    Im that happy with them i will be using them for the duration.

    Cheers
    These coils maybe ok for short coils, but noticed that when longer lengths of the core material were used, reluctance losses came into play. Probably better to use the wire lenght wise the way Mr Bedini, Turion and others do. Originally intended to study the effect of eddies.

    Working on 6 pole, bipolar rotor to introduce to Briggs and Straton lawnmower magneto . Going old school.
    Cheers

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  • BroMikey
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    .................................................. ........

    http://www.energeticforum.com/fileda...9&d=1477347471

    Advanced expose of a simple motor generator DESA had a lot of builds that were successful (OU)



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  • BroMikey
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    09-26-2014, 06:36 PM

    Originally posted by Allcanadian View Post
    most is only the stuff I feel has no real commercial value.
    AC

    http://www.energeticforum.com/member...eoriaapophasis


    honest question.

    WHY MUST IT?


    99% of knowledge and wisdom doesnt "put out" .
    must it be about $$$$$ ???


    What happened to a PURE desire to KNOW for sake of KNOWING?

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  • BroMikey
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    Dave wrote scolding everyone and his proof COP greater than 1
    The instruction below suggests to use a pulse motor on top of the video demo result stemming from just better coils. Dave did not show either pulsed motors or COP greater than 1, he showed us a video to make our minds wander or wonder. That is nice, I can settle with that.

    The one thing that was the most disgusting listening to Dave rant at everyone to belittle, name calling claiming that he has it all and when asked for more than words the group followers are babies, whiners and many other terrible names. A very hard diet of hate to digest day after day, year after year without revolting.

    See Thane Heins for more on the subject of similar coil designs and motor generator builds that show video PROOF. Proof means that meters SHOW the numbers while the little wheels are turning. No tricks

    Dave wrote
    Basic Free Energy Device

    09-24-2014, 12:05 PM

    I read yesterday that John Bedini doesn't come here because of all the nasty things that people here say to each other.

    I can barely stand to come to this forum anymore. Most of the builders I have worked with for so many years have given up and moved on

    Now I know that's because we haven't taken the time to produce videos showing "power in and power out" or a self looping system, but I have better things to do than argue with people who say this can't be done.

    I know you guys have been waiting and waiting and waiting ....... to show you something that works, and is COP>1, and you aren't going to have to wait much longer.

    I only bother to come back here and summarize all this because it breaks my heart to see this thread fall off the front page of this forum. I don't just BELIEVE these things work, I KNOW they work. I have had independent tests...............


    http://www.energeticforum.com/forum/...-energy-device

    I promised some results, and here they are.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCfmkQ0_zBk

    That's all you get. That is a "Basic" Free energy device. It will put out more than it takes to run. Use a pulse motor. Saves input. Run it between the positives and recover 80% of the input.
    Last edited by BroMikey; 07-25-2020, 10:31 PM.

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    hey bi,
    Put up or shut up. Make the bet.

    L0stf0x,
    You get what you deserve.
    Dude yer barkin up the wrong tree. The little man ain't-a-gonna challenge the big dog. Little dog is a scared.

    BTW I just bought some ribbon in the 5000 range, a step up (small step) from standard transformer type which a low freq.

    This one is just a little bit higher. We don't want to get carried away and go to high up. The basic transformer ribbon made in China for a regular low freq app is 1k101. This is the designation given. The next higher amorphous nano ribbon number is 1k107. This is more for the 400hz to 1000hz range for transformers. Without going into a lengthy discussion of material content such metal mixture cross link tech this grade does the same thing as high nickel iron soft Ferrite does for less mula.

    It is a 20lb set of ribbons. What I wonder is what is the best very very thin binder should be used when rolling up ribbon tightly onto a spool? This stuff is like razor blades if you let the slinky out of the bad when trying to round it all up by hand, so I plan to take your advice and be careful. I do remember you posts. Any recommendations would be welcome. If you have not decided what is best I understand your mind is on another more advanced energy project. Goodday

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  • lotec
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    Like the commutator

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    Way back at the beginning when I had the first version of my generator running with only two coils on it, I showed a light bulb connected to the wall socket

    Al the info has been shown. Just never all at once. It’s not my fault people can’t do math anymore.
    Awesome Dave, I missed that video was deleted before I got here. I was working on other projects back then. I remembered you from back in 2004 I think it was just after Stan Meyers bought the farm and Boyce was showing his boxes around. Or was that 2003?Anyway you were in your late 40's still punching the clock.
    Last edited by BroMikey; 07-20-2020, 11:43 PM.

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  • Turion
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    hey bi,
    Put up or shut up. Make the bet.

    L0stf0x,
    You get what you deserve.
    Last edited by Turion; 07-20-2020, 11:01 PM.

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  • L0stf0x
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    From what I understood, all you say is that you found a method to bypass Lenz. If that is true, which I doubt it is, what you doing about it?? You don't share but you waste your time in the forum.. for what reason? Why don't you build a prototype and prove your words ??
    Last edited by L0stf0x; 07-20-2020, 11:45 PM.

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  • Turion
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    L0stf0x,

    No, my first generator was not capable of over unity. To run that generator with TWO coils in place and my original rotor required 24 volts at 17 amps input to the MY1016 razor scooter motor I was using at the time. That is a total of 408 watts input. The coils output 110 volts at 1.7 amps per coil for an output of 374 watts. I assumed all I needed to do was to add more coils and the output would be greater than the input. I had places on the generator for 12 coils.

    But for every coil that was added, the magnets on the rotor interacted with the cores of the coils, slowing the motor. This resulted in 1. Loss of power from the output coil and 2. Increased amp draw of the motor and therefore an increased input requirement. Add a couple more coils to try and get your output up enough to be OU, and the amp draw on the motor is so much that the motor burns up. I burnt up a good number of motors trying to overcome these issues.

    I did NOT have magnetic neutralization figured out at that time. I did NOT even know that if my motor RPM fell to less that 2800 Lenz would take effect and cause me more problems. It kept happening and it took me a good long while to figure out WHY and what to do about it.

    It wasn't until I figured out magnetic neutralization and the requirements for outrunning Lenz that it became clear to me you can add as many coils as you want without (much) effect on the performance of the motor or its input requirements. It will cost you a bit more than the cost of turning the rotor with all the magnets on it in place, but that is ALL. Add as many coils as you wish...get as much output as you want. That's what made the later versions of the generator possible. But the output of the coil actually increased since now I am using 12 strands each 253' in length, which means the coils NOW output more than the coils THEN.

    If you want to PM me and show me that you are actually BUILDING something, I will send you links to YouTube videos that have not been posted here. Those are the videos that prove bi doesn't know what he is talking about, which is why he won't make the bet. He is all mouth.
    Last edited by Turion; 07-20-2020, 08:25 PM.

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  • bistander
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    Originally posted by L0stf0x View Post

    Hey Turion, You mean that your first generator was capable of producing free energy ?? How did you showed and prove this? in video? where? can you provide a link please?
    I have build countless motors, motor/generators or generators and I am building a new motor generator right now and I would like to see your work if you share. Thanks!
    Hi L0stf0x,

    Good luck trying to get proof of claims from Turion. That's what I've asked of him many times over the past few years. He never provides proof. And you can see how he treats me.

    Regards,
    bi

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