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  • alexelectric
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    Hello I hope you are well
    I was working on the generator, I had to reassemble it, since I had removed some layers of it to free the rotor with the magnets and to be able to test other coils or do other different tests.

    I did the charging of the batteries in two stages, one for a charger to charge two batteries for 24 volts, and the other for 12 volts, to have the 36 volts that the motor occupies, first I tested it with 24 volts, but I it gave speed more than 2500 rmp. so I had to feed it 36 ​​volts.

    I started doing the tests with the 12-wire coil, connected in series of 4 and the three that are formed in parallel, it is already a very referred configuration and commented by Mr. Dave.

    Adjusting the speed control to 2800 rpm, I plug in the load from a bulb. and I can't get it to accelerate, but if I short the coil it accelerates, look for different revolutions and I can't get it to accelerate.

    I put a capacitor in parallel and it manages to accelerate a little, but it loses generation, the focus loses some lighting.

    I connected the capacitor in series and the spotlight lit up more, but it lost a few revolutions.

    I have tried and tried to make the coil under load accelerate and I have not been able to, the coil if it accelerates in short, this indicates that it has a different behavior than conventional ones.

    I do not give up, this is how you have to continue investigating, I remember Mr. Dave's comments how many tube coils to build, some did not work for him, and others if, some accelerate and others do not, some coils do not accelerate but neither do they decelerate.

    I'm evaluating making another coil but I don't know if 12-wire or 24-wire, the 24-wire should accelerate at lower revolutions per minute, so I would have more room for speed.

    Another thing that I am also evaluating if I make another rotor, with 12 magnets, the one that I have has 6 magnets of 2 inches in diameter and the attraction of the magnet core is tremendous, and since it is a single coil that I try, that's why I did not put the magnetic suppression magnet, once I did the test with the magnetic suppression magnet and if it helps to decrease the magnet magnetic drag.

    Another thing I'm going to do is get the core closer to the magnet.

    I do not know if I occupy putting two 12-wire coils in series as well as Mr. Dave showed in his tests, to see if this accelerates the coils, since one failed to do so.

    I want to achieve acceleration with load on the coil and I am going to keep trying, building, it is one of the satisfactions I want to achieve and I want to achieve, and I am going to continue working on it.

    Before and during the tests, one makes various arrangements, since sometimes cables are disconnected, a false contact, you adjusted the generator, etc.

    I show you some photos of my generator, it is simple and inexpensive, so that whoever wants to build something inexpensive can do it, but that if functional, to prove concepts, I admire Mr. Dave's generator very well assembled and built.
    Well I will see that I build the 12-wire coil or the 24-wire coil.

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  • alexelectric
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    regards
    I have returned to the load with the generator of Mr. Dave, I have been presented with several setbacks, one is the way to have charging the batteries, three car batteries in series 36 volts for the 36v motor, I made from PC sources To charge them, at first everything ok, I connected them in series and they got together and burned me, I was checking and repeating, then I can't connect them in series anymore.
    I proceeded to connect them individually, but the sources are very sensitive and it was possible for me to continue like this with the PC sources.
    As I use the batteries in series to drive the 36 motor, somehow I have to have them charging. since it is very terrifying to be loading them in the car one by one.
    Revisit the idea of ​​making a charger with a microwave transformer, it all takes time and dedication.
    I have a 24 volt transformer with that I started to run the motor with 24 volts.
    Another problem is that I no longer have the reflective tapes for the speed meter I have to purchase new ones.
    Here we continue to test Mr. Dave's proposal, I hope to have more progress, see you soon

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  • wantomake
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    This was the only true good "bad" battery that did what Dave explained.
    Not sure this will play.


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Dwk_bFXqiac
    If you notice I even had the system connected incorrectly!! The motor was running between the negatives.
    Last edited by wantomake; 07-02-2020, 11:00 AM.

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  • Turion
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    Doesn’t work that way. If it did, we would have figured it out years ago. It’s something in the chemical reaction that takes place in that specific battery. It will charge right up to 13+ volts, but take the charger off and the voltage will just drop like a rock. We spent over four YEARS trying to replicate or mimic that bad battery and could not.

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    That’s the same reason I quit the bad battery experiments. But I never quit the GOOD batter experiments because it is the key to free energy.
    A good battery will be 12v a bad battery shows a 10v source. The 10v bad battery changes the differential. Use a good battery to buck converter

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  • Turion
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    That’s the same reason I quit the bad battery experiments. But I never quit the GOOD batter experiments because it is the key to free energy.

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by wantomake View Post
    Hey BroMikey,
    I 've some of my older batteries left from the past experiments. But I got away from the bad battery experiments because it's so hard to keep a good third or "bad" battery.

    That's my reason to start building Dave's generator.
    Glad to here you are going to do a version like Dave's. It is a really cool thought that Dave says it ran for 2 days and then the batteries died. But that is not what he said is it? He said 2 weeks. And then when he took it off for a test the batteries went flat. I don't know why that is, maybe you have something more to add because of your past tests.Good to see you back.

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  • wantomake
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    Hey BroMikey,
    I 've some of my older batteries left from the past experiments. But I got away from the bad battery experiments because it's so hard to keep a good third or "bad" battery.

    That's my reason to start building Dave's generator.

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  • BroMikey
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    By the way Dave I have had dozens of battery out of the blue go to 10v randomly then I would beat their backs with a huge Bedini Osc and get them back to perfect again. Oxides of lead form crystalline structures. Microscopic tree-ing

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_treeing

    https://www.powerstream.com/1922/bat.../chapter10.htm
    Last edited by BroMikey; 06-29-2020, 01:06 AM.

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    The very first battery that I had that did this ran for over two months. I thought I had discovered something amazing and was going to be a millionaire.

    ....... I do not believe it is a shorted cell. I can put a battery analyzer on it and check it out, but a shorter cell would not repair itself.
    Very interesting. We have several options. Batteries all do a list of similar things. If it take several days (in some cases) or a number of hours the connection across plates must be so minute that the test gear can not measure. The facts are that 1 cell drains out it's energy and this causes a greater differential in the circuit could be one way to view this.

    Maybe a 1K ohm or a 10 K ohm resistor or whatever it takes to drain out a single cell over night.
    Peal off the top of a battery and begin. Maybe it needs a 1 megohm

    This tiny connection between plates is often called TREE-ING. Like rock candy growing in a cup hanging on a string. Batteries form crystalline structure internally the are electrical in nature. Think crystals.
    Last edited by BroMikey; 06-28-2020, 10:52 PM.

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  • wantomake
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    So this is about using a "bad" battery in secondary position. Yea I was trying a balanced system with all good bateries.

    But I get the point of running loads off the secondary "bad" battery for long periods of time.

    I do remember trying to increase the size of the system, like connecting battery bank in parallel to secondary third battery. Then attempting to run inverter off that bank. It didn't work because they were ALL good batteries.

    You went back to the good old days of the mysterious "bad" battery.
    Good times.

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  • wantomake
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    Thanks for the video and will check it out. The video I was referring to was with boosters and motor coupled to a generator. It was good video but bad audio noise from the motor.

    I'll try to find it and post if I can use this new forum setup here. Been awhile.

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  • Turion
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    The very first battery that I had that did this ran for over two months. I thought I had discovered something amazing and was going to be a millionaire. I was living in Arizona at the time and made an appointment with one of the top patent attorneys in California. My son and I ran an inverter on battery 3 with lights and a tv hooked up to it 24/7 for two solid weeks, sleeping on cots in my shop, before I flew out to California and wrote a $10,000 non refundable check to the attorney and showed him the thing running. When I got back to AZ, battery 3 worked like a normal battery. It charged right up. I was able to get $8,000.00 back from the guy and that was my first lesson in how expensive this stuff can be.

    The second one worked for about two weeks before mysteriously repairing itself. I have had MANY that worked for over a week. This last one has worked every time I have tried it but I know it will repair itself if I let it run for too long.

    So I do not believe it is a shorted cell. I can put a battery analyzer on it and check it out, but a shorter cell would not repair itself.

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    1.With the three battery system, if you want to get it in balance,

    have found THREE of them in the past 11 years.
    Good answers Dave. I like the punch line about all the work getting done say a few weeks worth and that when turning the system off the batteries collapse to a low level as you might expect..

    That is an amazing thought. Did you ever have one running for very long? I know you probably said that you did or not but I can't be sure it would have pertained to this setup. Or another test. The shorted battery has one cell causing a drain that you call special for this test run. It (that cell) is always steeling a tiny portion of the electrical charge and probably reflecting it back to the primaries. This is also a balancing effect as battery 3 may want to rise to quickly, the semi shorted battery buys you some time and keeps the differential greater.

    Any battery setting going down to 10v has one shorting cell however small. Next time use a good battery and peal back the terminals of one of the cells and draw a tiny load to simulate the same condition. This way you can control how much of a short you would like and it will never fix itself. Remember a bad battery with a shorted cell is not charging that cell to it's full capacity as it is always draining off.

    Or use only 5 cells running a 3rd battery at 10v.

    When people being to understand this they can start using regulator and converters.
    Last edited by BroMikey; 06-28-2020, 02:40 AM.

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  • Turion
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    1.With the three battery system, if you want to get it in balance, which is harder than CRAP, you have to balance the load on the motor with the load on battery 3. I hadn't tried running a generator off the motor in a while, and didn't have any small loads (12 volt) handy to run as a load on the generator. Would have used another auto tail light, but as I recall, I didn't have anything that was lower than those 25 watt bulbs, and that would pull the battery down too fast to try and get things in balance. I was going to try that eventually, but baby steps.

    2.Those are NOT large batteries. The bad battery I had was a lawn and garden battery from Lowes, so I matched it with two other lawn and garden batteries from Lowes. The 8 battery connections on the left are my lawn and garden batteries and the four connections on the right are my 8 six volt deep cycle golf cart batteries/ two in series at each connection.
    3. Yes, those batteries were dead at the end. They were probably about 12.4 when I started. Let them rest for an hour, and they would be back up close to where they started.
    4. NO, the primaries started out about 12.4, so 24.8 to begin with.
    5. You can't pay attention to the start voltage or the end voltage or any of that, because the start voltage isn't "true" and neither is the end voltage. What I wanted to show was just that the battery voltage holds steady when the system is running. If it does that for FOUR WEEKS then you know you have something. I don't care if the end voltage is 12.0 at that point, although I don't like to see it drop below 12.2 most of the time. I decided a long time ago that the results you get with batteries are all smoke and mirrors, but I love showing it to people. When you get a setup like this that works like this one did, the battery voltages will just stay very similar to where I showed them for really long periods of time. It won't be about the ending voltage being higher than the start voltage or even with it, or even lower. The voltages being SHOWN ON THE METERS will remain the same and can do so for weeks, then everything goes south and the primaries drop in voltage rapidly to what you saw. But it is the WORK that got done during that time compared to how many amp hours of work you SHOULD have been able to get out of three batteries fully charged connected in parallel.
    6. None of those motors were modified.

    Seeing things like this run for impossibly long times was what got me started with the 3 battery system in the first place. The problem is, you can't replicate that weird 3rd battery. I have found THREE of them in the past 11 years. Two of them eventually quit working as they eventually started holding a charge after running hundreds of tests with them in the 3rd position. This one I RARELY mess with, so it still works. I keep it just like it is for special occasions. I probably haven't run anything on it in over a year. Just charge it with a standard charger once in a while.

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