Motor Generators

[BroMikey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-9Ei7v-ZY0

How stupid of me, of course I can see the flux capacitors now are modulating the aether. I once was blind......... Dave did this one too, right Dave?

Bogus law,
I like it!

[BroMikey]

Sounds like a zero force motor might need a flywheel.

[Stealth]

I have been away for over a year with medical problems, but I am back now. I will tell you what I have learned over the years of experimenting. Use a high rpm motor(ac or dc), run on a battery if dc. Hook up to a large flywheel, then ease the generator into the flywheel, pulling only part of the momentum off the flywheel. The motor must be smaller than the generator, only extract enough from the flywheel to keep the motor at near full rpm. It will take a while for the motor to stabilize pulling a stronger generator, but once stabilized it will maintain its momentum. Then you can unhook the power source. Next, using the same same method, you can begin to draw extra power off the flywheel. It will take time to get to that point, but once you do, you will have free energy. Good Luck. stealth

[BroMikey]

Bogus law,
I like it!

Bro,
peter may be retired but he is not the only one who ever built John’s Zero Force motor. I have built a few and I know of others who are VERY involved in stretching that technology to its limits.

Pete was not who I meant, he has been retired 10 years. Bob just retire and pointed out he was done, your main man as far as I knew. Sorry about that. 10,000rpm motor using a toroidal core so parallel fields? Not a hard concept. Then must be geared down. Same same some say higher voltage and high high rpm's produce the extra in energy research in general. Trouble is people say a lot of things and I don't see any demo of any even slight proof of concept let alone a practical one. The years roll by and the words and promises hang out to dry in the aether with nothing to back it up, not even a little bit. Theoretical speculation is fun, I will be the first to defendyou know me. We must always leave the door open for such possibilities even if once in a while the experimenter fool's himself into thinking it is real.Once you gear down you have to look at friction losses, I am sure you know that. Like using a boost converter, it has losses when you crank it way up and step it back down. How did you overcome all the losses? Or is it less? Or do you want losses? Either way it has been fun to contemplate with no end in sight for me. Anything?

I know you don't have any classes on the subject which many feel this is a good thing.

This question has been asked before years and years ago. Plz fill in the missing blanks for those of us who read books.

[Turion]

Bogus law,
I like it!

Bro,
peter may be retired but he is not the only one who ever built John’s Zero Force motor. I have built a few and I know of others who are VERY involved in stretching that technology to its limits.

[boguslaw]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-9Ei7v-ZY0

[BroMikey]

1. First thing you have to ask yourself is what exactly does a boost converter DO to get you that higher voltage?

As I have said before, you have to take all the little things that work and put them all together into a big thing if you really want free energy.

I mean yeah, like the right freq's going into a low resistance super battery. Lithium has been shown to work on youtube for many years with just a SG pulse.

I saw those video's, I wonder what people have to say about that?

[BroMikey]

1. First thing you have to ask yourself is what exactly does a boost converter DO to get you that higher voltage?

And you say John B had coils in his Tesla switch that "were found to be a key element"? Really?

If so, what was "key" about the coils that you wouldn't be better off just using a coil to do rather than all the parts on the board in a boost module that can't possibly be as efficient.

As I recall during the T switch days when coils were introduced the potential difference could be much more easily maintained. Your reiteration is refreshing to the subject overall. The zero force motor builder retired.Too bad.

[Turion]

1. First thing you have to ask yourself is what exactly does a boost converter DO to get you that higher voltage? Do volts x amps in equal volts x amps out? (never) If so, there is no gain and nothing special about a boost converter. Or is there? If you don't KNOW a special use for a boost converter, put two batteries in series instead. Or three. Or four. UNLESS you have a SPECIFIC USE for the boost converter and it is doing something special that you NEED it to do you can't do another way that is more efficient. Is it doing something special? If you don't know, and don't know WHAT it is doing, you either need to spend the time researching or you are wasting your time with boost converters. Don't use a hatchet to drive a nail. And you say John B had coils in his Tesla switch that "were found to be a key element"? Really? If so, what was "key" about the coils that you wouldn't be better off just using a coil to do rather than all the parts on the board in a boost module that can't possibly be as efficient.

2. If you get the chance, watch Peter's video of the Benitez system that he did for the conference. I have seen WORKING Benitez systems, and I know what is possible. Matt Jones showed EVERYONE a working setup in the "USE FOR THE TESLA SWITCH" thread. It will NOT work with high impedance (small) batteries. It will NOT work with small wires between connecting points. It will NOT work if you change conducting materials from copper to steel to copper and back. All those things drive up impedance. Run INDUCTIVE LOADS. The load MUST be figured into all your equations, and there is a SPECIFIC FREQUENCY at which the impedance of EVERY BATTERY + LOAD (different KINDS of batteries have different frequencies and so do LOADS) is reduced to a MINIMUM. Unless you hit THAT frequency, you are not going to get the charging you seek. That system is the BASIC SYSTEM to learn what is possible when running loads between the positives. The 3 battery system shows what is possible...running between the positives and that the energy is NOT CONSUMED BY THE LOAD or battery 3 would NOT charge. The one battery system with the boost module shows that also, as well as a couple other things, but you will only get extended run times out of either of those systems. Neither, as it stands, is OU. They DO, however, teach many, many, many important things. You can't just slap something together and expect it to work. You MUST experiment and you MUST let the device become your teacher. Do people know that? Only if they BUILD and EXPERIMENT. So why am I not BUILDING Benitez systems? I have considered it on more than ONE occasion, but they require more batteries than a solar system to put out the kind of power I want to be able to produce, and that's too expensive for most folks.


3. So why not the generator I have spent several years on? I thought it WAS the solution, despite the initial high cost and the noise pollution running the thing. I had a whole PLAN. For me, the 3 battery system taught me I could recover energy by running between the positives. So I KNOW I want a motor that will run between the positives with some torque on as little power as possible. So for ME that is the Zero Force Motor, which I believe was John's greatest contribution. I have worked with some folks on that project to modify it a bit, and we call what we have a SUPER POLE Motor, but it is basically an amped up version of the ZERO FORCE motor. It just has more torque. And a LITTLE torque is all I need to run the generator when I have magnetic neutralization and coils that do not drag the motor down when they are placed under load. So I can run that motor on next to nothing, recover 85+ % of that by running between the positives, and generate output. And until THIS POST I doubt I EVER mentioned the fact that the plan has ALWAYS been to run the generator on the SUPER POLE motor.

4. But as we go along and continue to experiment, we learn things.
Watch the "Glass Case Motor" video, where Peter talks about the comparison of the Glass Case Motor to the Newman machine. What did John B learn from the Newman machine? Maybe that "key" element you spoke of is found in the Newman machine and John's Glass Case Motor" Apply that to your Benitez setup. Right there, in those TWO presentations, you have all the information a worthy experimenter and builder needs to build a device that is OU. But as I said, there is a piece here and a piece there, and you have to put the pieces together. And there is a big difference between something that is OU and something that will power your house or your car. Not everything can REASONABLY be scaled up.

When Matt and I ran his Matt modified motor between the positives on the 3 Battery system we saw something interesting. Now people have attempted to explain this away as some kind of BS reaction of the power supply that was used to run the motor in the "Debunking" video, but there are many people who have seen it, and it is this. When you pulse a coil, as is done with a motor coil in Matt's motor, because the energy is passing THROUGH the motor from a higher source to a lower source, much of it can be recovered in the lower potential battery. Now, when that coil collapses, there is rush of energy that takes the path of LEAST RESISTANCE. What is the path of least resistance? To the third battery that we are charging. That battery gets constant current, then SPIKE when the coil collapses, then constant current then SPIKE. EXACTLY like the old car alternators used to put out. Now what do you have to do to make that as efficient as possible? You have to run it at the FREQUENCY OF THE BATTERY that offers the LEAST impedance. The voltage output of the motor can be HIGHER than the voltage input. John built circuits designed specifically to capture this spike. The basic school girl circuit took full advantage of it. Mott's motor does it mechanically. It has a built in OFF time because of how it is wound, and it has a point when the collapsing coil is connected to the lower potential battery right as the coil collapses.

As I have said before, you have to take all the little things that work and put them all together into a big thing if you really want free energy.

[BroMikey]

Yes I see your point, if you have a matchbox size source to light a few bulbs like the big ole ship anchor size motor genny. Yeah I'm with ya. Can't wait to see it doing something, anything. The way this all started was John Bedini's TESLA SWITCH doing split positive formations where energy was moved around thru a load. The coils were found to be a key element. This new system from what I understand uses the coils in the boost converters much the same way. This is the way I see things. Your take? Or do you even have one concerning this parallel?

[Turion]

But why encourage the guy down the street, who is barely making ends meet, to buy a semi to get to work when he could buy a Honda and accomplish the same thing? I can’t, in good conscious, support that. My generator is at LEAST $1,500.00 to build with magnets, wire, machining, etc. if you do MOST of the work yourself. You can achieve the same output with a few hundred and no moving parts to wear out or blow up in your face. Which would YOU rather spend your time and money on. I know what MY focus is.

I’m glad YOU see a way to reduce the device size by 500%. I sure don’t.

I will put together the latest version of the generator on Monday when it arrives. I will probably spend even MORE money to wind a whole NEW set of coils with ferrite cores even though I have an entire set of brand new 12 strand coils with iron cores that haven’t even had the ends of the wires stripped yet. I will do this to show Aaron inputs and outputs and finish what I started. And of course to prove bi wrong and shut him up. I won’t say shut him up for good, because he and his kind will always be out there casting doubt on what others try to do. It’s their nature. If someone wants to replicate the generator, all the information has been posted on the forum and I will make a video as I assemble the machine on Monday and talk about how it goes together, how it works, and why it works. For Aaron. Hopefully the output from one coil pair will be enough to loop the machine and self run. If so, I will show all that in the video. If not, I will show that too. At least this is all far in advance of the next conference so Aaron can decide what he wants to do with it.

[BroMikey]

Sending power TO a load rather than THROUGH a load to a power collector is the ultimate flawed thinking, and that's the way all our "current" systems work.

True, but using both technologies is possible, not obsolete. The combination would reduce the device size by 500%

[Turion]

Sending power TO a load rather than THROUGH a load to a power collector is the ultimate flawed thinking, and that's the way all our "current" systems work.

[BroMikey]

Each tech has it's place. One is not better than the other. creating energy out of thin air and sending that to a power burner is unquestionably flawed thinking.

[Turion]

Absolutely.