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  • BroMikey
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    Don S told us all right in our faces that he had sold the rights to his OU circuits and could not share more than these simple test circuits. I watched all his stuff. Yet people say to this day that this is Don secret energy

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  • bistander
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    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    thaelin,
    Correcting an error I copied and pasted from somewhere else isn't going to piss me off. Pointing out legitimate errors I make doesn't piss me off. Even disagreeing with me doesn't piss me off. Calling me a liar, a fraud and a con man as blahstander has done, now that can get under my skin for a bit. But I know the truth, so it doesn't last long. Just long enough to rant about it here! LOL

    https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...P7FQSS6OZZzOBg
    Who is the guy doing these videos? You? Whoever he is, he does not know how to use the ammeter. What a load of BS. Even BM knows he speaks BS. 400 amps. Right. Oh yeah, it's cold electricity. Must be it. You seriously bought into that Turion?
    bi

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    thaelin,
    Correcting an error I copied and pasted from somewhere else isn't going to piss me off. Pointing out legitimate errors I make doesn't piss me off. Even disagreeing with me doesn't piss me off. Calling me a liar, a fraud and a con man as blahstander has done, now that can get under my skin for a bit. But I know the truth, so it doesn't last long. Just long enough to rant about it here! LOL

    https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...P7FQSS6OZZzOBg
    good one Dave as always, one step ahead, let these others think what they want, like dragon

    100amps at 450v is not shown in a load. a resistor would pop fast. so what is his load device handling all of that power? his shorted meter? demovid#2 comes from an old butt hurt man who has proven nothing

    Last edited by BroMikey; 12-27-2021, 02:11 AM.

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  • Turion
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    thaelin,
    Correcting an error I copied and pasted from somewhere else isn't going to piss me off. Pointing out legitimate errors I make doesn't piss me off. Even disagreeing with me doesn't piss me off. Calling me a liar, a fraud and a con man as blahstander has done, now that can get under my skin for a bit. But I know the truth, so it doesn't last long. Just long enough to rant about it here! LOL

    https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...P7FQSS6OZZzOBg

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by thaelin View Post
    I hope I do not piss dave off but 30ma is .03 but that still equates to 600 W at V*I. Don S. brought that up and it was made fun of. If we do prove it, then there are one hell of a lot of text books that have to be rewritten and a lot of invalid degrees.
    you won't pee off Dave, he admits he is not schooled in the art like John Bedini was and absolute max voltages are not true loaded rms values, here is the truth don't make fun Dave did the impossible and John Bedini couldn't do what he did. Not knowing jack diddley doo on lectric

    Last edited by BroMikey; 12-26-2021, 11:35 PM.

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  • thaelin
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    I hope I do not piss dave off but 30ma is .03 but that still equates to 600 W at V*I. Don S. brought that up and it was made fun of. If we do prove it, then there are one hell of a lot of text books that have to be rewritten and a lot of invalid degrees.

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  • BroMikey
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    gettin pretty fancy with the hv circuits for a country boy/ceeement man but I can see what you are saying. you gotem this time, way over their heads

    every part of the circuit is easy to understand except for the gas tube. all it does is the 20,000v to pass over it like a sparkgap to form the hv osc section since transistors can not pulse these hv.

    Last edited by BroMikey; 12-26-2021, 05:12 PM.

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  • Turion
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    We use many overunity devices today. But most people are incapable of looking outside the box they are in. The electron cascade of a CRT, (cathode Ray Tube of the old TV's), or the NST, (Neon Sign Transformer). LOOK at a typical NST. The overunity is printed RIGHT ON THE LABEL.

    Example:
    Input- 12vDC @ 3amps = 36 watts, (per second)
    Output- 20,000V @ 30ma, (.003)

    Do you SEE the overunity there? NO? Why not? Because they don't WANT you to. And Electrical Engineers don't LOOK for it.

    The question is, do we READ and do we UNDERSTAND, or do we just go on our merry way because we are so used to "ONE cycle per second" because that is how we have been conditioned?

    But one cycle per second is NOT HOW NEON SIGN TRANSFORMERS OPERATE!! LOOK IT UP!!!!! They conveniently leave THAT information off the label, but do a little research.

    "Electronic neon transformers change the frequency of the input voltage from the typical 50-60hz to around 20,000hz using switching electronics. This allows for a much smaller, albeit more complicated, design."

    Unless my calculator is on the blink, 20,000 V at .003 amps x 20,000 cycles per second (instead of ONE) is 1,200,000 Watts per second. But what do I know. I'm not an electrical engineer. Just someone who LOOKS for something unusual, and then figures out how to make it work for them. 36 watts (per second) in and 1,200,000 watts per second out is a decent gain, wouldn't you say? And I'd say having a device that outputs 33000 times the input to begin with is a good first step to building an OU system. Wouldn't YOU? Especially when you operate between the positives to minimize losses and understand how to generate electricity as well as recover the power you used to generate.

    Can you understand WHY I feel like the time I am spending on getting the generator working just to prove the point to bistander is NOT worth my time? But I will. The machinist thought it might be done Wednesday, but now he says to "check back" first part of next week sometime.

    There are folks out there who have figured out Don Smiths's stuff and got it working, putting out loads of energy. Free energy is coming, and all you little Dutch boys with your fingers in the dike of progress best learn to hold your breath for a really long time, cuz the dike is about to break in a really big way.

    I don't happen to agree with Thane on some things, so have not followed his work, but I know what is possible. I have seen it.


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    Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night.
    Last edited by Turion; 12-26-2021, 11:48 AM.

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by pmgriphone View Post
    Funny how Thane always says that there is no power in the drive shaft for a motor turning at some rpm at equilibrium. Apparently, he uses the formula P= T*omega, where T is the torque and omega is the radial frequency of the shaft. I note that this formula is correct, yet Thane says P = 0 because the torque T = 0.

    That's however in correct. He forgets that the motor needs to produce torque to overcome the friction losses. So T is not equal to zero and thus P is not equal to zero.

    And if the motor is loaded with an external load, e.g. his rotor, then T is equal to the torque required to overcome the frictions losses plus the losses introduced to turn the external load.

    So there definitely is power in the driveshaft at any point in time that the motor is rotating.
    infinitesimal is your favorite discussion, then ignore the gorilla in the room
    Last edited by BroMikey; 12-25-2021, 07:56 PM.

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  • pmgriphone
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    Funny how Thane always says that there is no power in the drive shaft for a motor turning at some rpm at equilibrium. Apparently, he uses the formula P= T*omega, where T is the torque and omega is the radial frequency of the shaft. I note that this formula is correct, yet Thane says P = 0 because the torque T = 0.

    That's however in correct. He forgets that the motor needs to produce torque to overcome the friction losses. So T is not equal to zero and thus P is not equal to zero.

    And if the motor is loaded with an external load, e.g. his rotor, then T is equal to the torque required to overcome the frictions losses plus the losses introduced to turn the external load.

    So there definitely is power in the driveshaft at any point in time that the motor is rotating.

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  • BroMikey
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  • BroMikey
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    You are relying on the pablo/milk toast experiments of others while name calling as per university standards, When backed into a corner, bite and tarnish the enemy at any cost.

    Evasive tactics splitting hair over whether the max generator output is 97% or 98% anything to avoid the subject matter. The tests have been shown and the results have been in, for years. Many such inventions put out infinite efficiency.

    Last edited by BroMikey; 12-23-2021, 02:40 AM.

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  • bistander
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    Originally posted by BroMikey View Post

    I am not talking about the political aspects of excepted norms. I talked to motor rewind shops who do 500hp units by using multiple strands wound together rather than a single conductor like 4 strands of 11awg. That is not what we are discussing. The difference is 100 ft coils used in conventional units vs 1000ft coils that delay the amperage 45 degrees away from the peak voltage

    You won't learn this from a book, you are right.

    Whatever the generating scheme you chose is irrelevant, what is important is that no unit has ever exceeded 97%
    That's BS and simply not true. Go back and look at the debunker video for equivalent monofilar coil example.

    And large generators regularly exceed 97% efficiency. You want to see some really horrid generator efficiency numbers? Do a real test on Thane's machine.
    bi

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by bistander View Post


    I was chief engineer for many years with a multimillion dollar motor generator manufacturer

    Find a legitimate, respected, authority which agrees with Thane.

    There is none. Show a textbook example agreeing with Thane.

    There is none.
    I am not talking about the political aspects of excepted norms. I talked to motor rewind shops who do 500hp units by using multiple strands wound together rather than a single conductor like 4 strands of 11awg. That is not what we are discussing. The difference is 100 ft coils used in conventional units vs 1000ft coils that delay the amperage 45 degrees away from the peak voltage

    You won't learn this from a book, you are right.

    Whatever the generating scheme you chose is irrelevant, what is important is that no unit has ever exceeded 97%

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  • bistander
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    Originally posted by BroMikey View Post
    That is not correct. Efficiency is calculated by the engineering dept, just like he says. The rotating mass is brought to speed and then tests are made. So many watts in (pick a number 100) and 90 for the output.

    This is the outdated 200 year old data.

    The new coils take no extra power on input and output is 100 plus. Efficiency infinite. Someday you will understand when you own and operate your own motor generator. You must paid to run the conventional motor to bring your generator up to operating speed. No free lunch there.

    Naturally this is always the case with generating power, so many horseys input and so much out.
    Quote from above. "Efficiency is calculated by the engineering dept, just like he says.."
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    I was chief engineer for many years with a multimillion dollar motor generator manufacturer whose responsibility included verifying efficiency to NEMA and industry standards. Efficiency is as I stated.

    Find a legitimate, respected, authority which agrees with Thane. There is none. Show a textbook example agreeing with Thane. There is none.
    Compare the "new coil" no-load with an equivalent monofilar coil no-load and it becomes obvious where "extra power on input" actually is.

    Compare "new coil" to equivalent monofilar coil under load and observe the truth.

    bi

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