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  • BroMikey
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  • BobFrench
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    Wireless Energy

    Being open minded is not for the faint of heart. Sometimes I have wished that I could be satisfied with money, beer, football, and shooting the ****, but...I am blessed and cursed with a desire to know the truth. It has cost me a lot, but I have experienced what most haven't even heard of...and I love it. "Anything will reveal its secrets, if you love it enough." -George Washington Carver. I think that love really should be the basis for research, not money, security, or fame.

    Bob

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by BobFrench View Post

    Right, Mikey.Like Trinity said to Neo in the Matrix movie, "I know why you live alone..."
    Opposition only makes me stronger, group think is for wuzzies. Right. The things you learn on your own are never recorded in a book. Trying to remove one's sight in favor of group think is a padded prison cell

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  • BobFrench
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    Wireless Energy

    Guys, if we can marry what thaelin is talking about with Don Smith's work...whoa. I'm serious. I think that the short comings of Smith's stuff isn't in the things themselves, but in a few details that most people may not pickup on if they don't really understand what he was doing. The grounding is a big deal because that's where the amps comes in. The whole system works on HV and HF until the end, so there's less heat, less losses, just gains. Then at the end is where you bring the voltage and frequency down so that an ordinary transformer can handle it and the amps is added to the transformer secondary according to the load draw. At this point it is critical that the grounding be adjusted to capture and limit the amps that come from the ground.

    People may think that Tesla was sending energy through the air with his wireless systems, but the air was just the return leg, the real power was coming from the ground. He tuned the receiver to be in resonance with the transmitter and they were both grounded. If the receiver was in an airplane or car, the ground was the body of the plane or car. (That is the same way that I light neon bulbs by holding one wire of a NE-2 with my fingers and touching the other to a HV source, even if it is plastic or the leaf of a plant. I'm the mass. Mass = ground, the Earth is a big mass (or mess depending on your political view). That same HV doesn't harm us (may sting a little sometimes) as you can see my fingers in water with the bare wires of a lit neon (600v that particular time, you know a NE-2 takes at least 65v to light).

    What's cool (literally) is that I have run 10,000v through a little 3mm LED. It was full bright and doesn't burn out because there's so little amperage. The last pic is a string of Christmas lights, a large gutted CFL, and a few NE-2s all connected to the same source at night in my off-grid cabin in TN years ago. I probably could have lit 10 times that (?)...it's not using amps to do it. Nothing's hot and the input to the system was pretty low (12v, 300mA or less). It was all quite pleasant.

    Bob

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  • BobFrench
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    Wireless Energy

    Thaelin, most definitely! I'd love to see all that. Thanks so much for the info. I'm sure that the old stuff is exactly what we need to update a little and crank out some power.

    Right, Mikey. Most mainline electronic engineers are not going to "waste their time" doing the experiments. And they don't get paid to be open minded. In fact, being open minded has ALWAYS gotten me in trouble with most others. Like Trinity said to Neo in the Matrix movie, "I know why you live alone..."

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  • thaelin
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    Hey Bob and Mikey:
    You really want to see what the effect of that circulating power can really be? On YT you can find visit/walkthroughs of shortwave transmitting stations. Take good notice of the sheer size of the final tank coils in these monsters. They are not wire but large pipes to handle the power in them. Bob, I have the old versions of what you paid to get. If you are interested to see how things have changed, be glad to share them with you. 1939, 1942 and such. Look for the chart in what is called the "Smith Charts" and it should be in the manuals. Will look and share if found.
    thay

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  • BroMikey
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    Very good Bob, just another validation that book smarts are untrustworthy. Nothing is discovered by scratching math numbers out on paper or listening to someones PHD chatter.

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  • BobFrench
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    Wireless Energy

    Here's a quote from the ARRL Handbook.

    Sorry about the underlining. I find doing so in red helps me to find stuff later.

    Bob

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  • BobFrench
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    Wireless Energy

    Something that I have not seen much on any forum is reactance. It is very prominent in Don Smith's work. I am not totally familiar with it, but it seems to be the opposite of resistance...uses the same components, but in the opposite way. When something (like a coil) has an increase in resistance, the reactance decreases and visa versa. Reactance is treated like the red-headed stepchild of electricity. They have to deal with it at times, so they give its effects different names. That is why transformers are rated in VA, not watts. They define the VA as energy that is not real, but "apparent" which they rate in VAR (volt-amperers reactive), not watts. X is reactance and Z is impedance (which contains resistance and reactance). I found that in the ARRL Handbook, 1992. They discount its power, but need to account for a percentage of it (because they aren't collecting it properly in order to get all of it) or else their calculations don't come out right.

    In a transformer, none of the energy from the Primary walks over and gets into the Secondary. The energy in the Primary continues though the Primary and we can collect it (as with the 3 Battery System). But obviously, all the energy in the Secondary cannot be real according to Electrical Theory, because it came out of nowhere and so that would be OU and THAT DOESN'T EXIST!!! So it is "apparent energy", VA, not watts. We can use it...we just won't notice that it's not real. "Yes, students, please ignore the pink elephant in the room."
    Funny 'ol world, ain't it?

    I couldn't take a electrical theory class at a university because I wouldn't be able to stop laughing.

    I have a couple of pics from the ARRL book that I will have to attach in a following post. I'll do that as soon as I post this.

    Take care, Dave, Bro., et al,

    Bob

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by BobFrench View Post
    Wireless Energy

    Here's a couple of pics of a setup that I've learned from.

    I can't measure everything and I'm not concerned about OU at this stage, but it does show that multiple secondaries do not affect the Primary input.
    I think that it's very cool stuff. (If you don't like the info, you can use it for self defense.)

    Bob
    Now you are getting thru to me. Yes I like good info, keep her coming. The above says it all. I would be interested in hearing more on a working device should time permit.

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  • BobFrench
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    Wireless Energy

    Here's a couple of pics of a setup that I've learned from. The little green coil is the Primary that is sitting inside the coil that I am lifting. The Primary is 13 turns of 30AWG on a 1.125" core. The black coils are 52 or 104 turns of 24AWG on 2" PVC (2.375") and the white large coil is 52 turns of 24AWG on 1.5 PVC (1.875"). (13 x 4 = 52, 13 x 8 = 104)

    I can't measure everything and I'm not concerned about OU at this stage, but it does show that multiple secondaries do not affect the Primary input. Also, the different configurations work and have strengths. You can "force" some effect even when things are not perfectly in resonance it you provide enough input, resonance makes the main difference and there is a range of resonance that still works well...it's not just one narrow frequency.

    I think that it's very cool stuff. Don Smith suggested a chart in the ARRL Handbook, 1992 (that's American Radio Relay League, which I had never heard of). I haven't found the chart yet, but I'm finding all kinds of info and circuits that are very useful (and time proven). I bought one for less than $8, shipping included. Quite a value. It is a very large book and about 2" thick. (If you don't like the info, you can use it for self defense.)

    Bob



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  • BobFrench
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    BroMikey, I wanted to pass on that Don Smith said that the frequency needs to be in the 20kHz or above in order to be efficient and that over 200kHz is better. He was often around 50MHz because the faster you run it, the more you get. All the demos that I have seen in his videos used a 7.5Ah battery as the source and he claimed that it did not run down because he cut the wire length between the battery and the system to be 1/4 wave length of the frequency that the system ran at and therefore was creating a current in those wires that charged the battery because of a diode that he put on the positive wire.

    That's pretty cool. And it shows that a wire doesn't have to be coiled up to function as a receiver. It is not the shape, but the length. It is also not the gauge that matters. A magnetic wave pushes the electrons in its path out of ambient and as they slingshot back to their lower level at ambient, the energy can be collected from something (like a coil), if it is tuned to being resonate with the transmitter of the wave. Obvious, the closer to the transmitter you are, the more you get, because the waves spread out the further it travels from the transmitter so that it's not as concentrated. My statement is a bit simplified, but helpful.

    I have been learning a lot from Don's work. I got the book ("The Don Smith Magnetic Resonance Energy Crafting Systematic Index") that Rick Friedrich compiled that started with the book that Don was writing, but never finished. Rick has kept Don's stuff original (misspelling and all) and even transcribed some of the videos. It costs $120 and is worth every cent. I say this, but I have not replicated a system large enough to prove it out. I am planning on doing so soon...need to.

    Take care, Bro,

    Bob

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  • BroMikey
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    It is something like a transformer with the two coils without the iron core material. The iron core is not needed at the higher frequencies. Nice work Bob. I think this type of short range transformer has lower losses than a convention 60hz block. Still not over 1 cop. Sex is good tho

    I had a timing light combination tack/dwell meter back in the 70's that worked on this principle. I always liked it. All you had to do was put it by the coil and it would read out perfect.
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  • BobFrench
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    Wireless Energy

    I should have included a little bit more info in the last post. In winding the coils, for the transmitting coil you wind 15 turns, then make a loop (which is only there as a center tap that goes to the Positive battery post), then continue another 15 turns in the same direction as the other 15. This is a pretty clever way to trigger the transistor.

    The secondary coil with the LED is just a straight 30 turns with a 3mm LED across it. This is a very simple project...if you get lost in it, you might consider taking up knitting (just kidding, if you have a question, I'll gladly answer).

    Bob
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  • BobFrench
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    Wireless Energy

    BroMikey, I don't think that I will be vanishing too soon as I have no intention to try to make money or go into business making anything that will upset the applecart. I'm retired and I want to put together stuff that works for me and mine. Going up against big business to sell a scooter mod is not my idea of retirement. I prefer eating, sleeping, and sex without having to look over my shoulder to see if men in black are intruding. It spoils the mood.

    Here's another short video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69CT...ature=youtu.be

    I added a 5 ohm resistor to the circuit because the battery dropped off too quickly. The amp draw must have been excessive. After adding the resistor, the LED was still extremely bright, maybe too bright. I may add more resistance (I tried 10 ohms and it wouldn't light at all).

    I can't wait to show this around. I think young and old alike will enjoy it.

    Take care,

    Bob

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