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  • BroMikey
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    Same ole game of liar liar, second guessing. Trolling with a made up mind sees ghosts and goblins. Still won't address the never ending ebike. No response to the real facts of the video just make up your own. the goal of all three video's were stated. Not one of you watched and hear what that goal was. Can any of you point out the goal in the first video? Or the second? I act like I don't know the goal as stated to see if it goes right over little fruitless talks. Yes it does. It(the goal) was stated in the start of the video. All this shows is that you are not hearing or seeing what is being said in the video's. The meters read when switches are thrown. Then you want to say the red scooter is the same as the e-bike. All these machines have advanced circuits connected such as a rectifier with caps. You are making up figures based on switches that are disengaged and calling out liar liar. You are mental. Course we already knew that, just ignore the video explanation and put out fuzzy pictures of meter readings with the intent to get minds to wonder.

    The blade switches disconnect the generator coils but we don't know where and how much of the processing circuit is being read by the meter. One trick question after another grasping. So unskilled in the art.
    Last edited by BroMikey; 07-20-2021, 09:53 PM.

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  • Quantum_well
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    Originally posted by BroMikey View Post
    This is 10 years ago, not the same thing.

    He admits its running off of a variac reason being: battery depleted owing to testing!
    Nothing's changed.

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  • bistander
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    Thane lies telling you the battery is charging. His instruments tell the truth.

    You have an ammeter and voltmeter, battery, load of some sort, and battery charger. Try it yourself. When you stop a discharge, voltage rises back to a higher resting (o.c.) value. When you stop charging the battery at a significant current (at least a few amps) abruptly, the battery voltage drops down to its resting value. That behavior is no different on a 12 volt battery or the ebike battery.
    bi

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  • bistander
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    Originally posted by BroMikey View Post
    Attention people of the earth. Here is the proof. Min 4:00 the bike motor is consuming 5 amp at 74v and discharging, flip the azz-hat switch to regen the battery is charging at 5.3amps. ...

    Look at the ammeter display. It is negative both before and after the switch. If it actually changed from negative to positive it would indicate a change in current direction, as in discharging to charging, but it does not change. It is always discharging at 74-75 volts.
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    Here's a couple of screenshots after he turns it off. Notice how the voltage climbs as the current goes to zero. This indicates the battery had been discharging and then recovering potential once the discharge current had ceased. If it had been charging, the voltage would drop when the charge current ceases.
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  • BroMikey
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    This is 10 years ago, not the same thing.

    Last edited by BroMikey; 07-20-2021, 07:13 AM.

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  • BroMikey
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    Attention people of the earth. Here is the proof. Min 4:00 the bike motor is consuming 5 amp at 74v and discharging, flip the azz-hat switch to regen the battery is charging at 5.3amps. I am only going to post this once. I can hear the weirdos say he must have a hidden cord on that.

    But don't get to carried away that is without a rider. Not bad tho. Listen to the man speak. Stop second guessing him, he is an honest person. Between him and Turion I have learned that they are right.

    I hope Dave didn't get the JAB he might be sick if he did.

    Last edited by BroMikey; 07-20-2021, 07:11 AM.

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by bistander View Post

    Still no sense from you.

    the battery discharges at a rate of 405.54 watts.
    Yes there is an E-Bike motor true. It discharges the battery.

    Yes but it was shown that 3 coils put out over 2.2amps continuous for a total 6.6amps at 75v. That is why the battery stays charged. It just runs and runs and never goes down.

    There I fixed your azz-hat that was on backwards.
    Last edited by BroMikey; 07-20-2021, 04:46 AM.

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  • bistander
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    Originally posted by BroMikey View Post

    I know how you must feel, keep trying. The thing I need to stress is that the e-bike will run for hours like that. You are worried about the resting voltage? Humm..? Not sure. All I can tell you is that the E-bike ran like that several times and time again and the battery voltage is right on up there. What was your question now?

    say 72v at 13.6 amps = approx 1000 watt seems like more than enough to turn the wheel. So probably only 500watt to free wheel the back tire and 500watts charging the battery? Yeah i think so
    Still no sense from you. When he switches in his coil, the battery discharges at a rate of 405.54 watts. Discharges, not charging. According to his own ammeter and voltmeter.

    The ammeter always indicated negative current meaning it was always discharging current from the battery. The battery voltage was always lower than open circuit (or resting voltage) meaning anytime there was a current shown on the ammeter, it was discharging. Those are facts.
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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by bistander View Post

    That makes no sense. Thane's battery is charging at less than resting voltage.
    I know how you must feel, keep trying. The thing I need to stress is that the e-bike will run for hours like that. You are worried about the resting voltage? Humm..? Not sure. All I can tell you is that the E-bike ran like that several times and time again and the battery voltage is right on up there. What was your question now?

    say 72v at 13.6 amps = approx 1000 watt seems like more than enough to turn the wheel. So probably only 500watt to free wheel the back tire and 500watts charging the battery? Yeah i think so
    Last edited by BroMikey; 07-20-2021, 02:31 AM.

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  • bistander
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    Originally posted by BroMikey View Post

    Maybe someday you guys will do some experiments and then we can wipe off that grin.
    Bye is so far off that he has the wheel spinning in reverse at 4000 watts with no person, just the wheel. Goodness.
    That makes no sense. You can not answer a simple question. Do some experiments you say? I have charged a battery, many times, and understand the procedure. And I've done it using a generator, many times. So explain how Thane's battery is charging at less than resting voltage. It's obviously not charging.
    bi

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by pmgriphone View Post

    Exactly same point I was going to make. BroMxxx. (I am running out of sarcastic name configurations for you here... please help me out).


    Man, can't keep it together here myself... have to laugh at my own jokes.
    Maybe someday you guys will do some experiments and then we can wipe off that grin.
    Bye is so far off that he has the wheel spinning in reverse at 4000 watts with no person, just the wheel. Goodness.
    Last edited by BroMikey; 07-19-2021, 09:05 PM.

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  • pmgriphone
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    Originally posted by bistander View Post

    Remember this?



    His own instruments show that the battery never charges during the demonstration. Explain that.
    bi
    Exactly same point I was going to make. BroMxxx. (I am running out of sarcastic name configurations for you here... please help me out).

    Looks like you just want to see what you want to see and ignore what you don't like, even if it is the truth. Yeah, videos take time for YOU BROMEY to sink in, as apparently your brain is rather small maybe, or maybe you are having a brain-fart? That's probably why you are unable to absorb the complete content of a video and its clear evidence that more is going in than is going out.

    HOWEVER, BROLM, your brain is probably overunity: more leaving your memory than going in... I guess that is worse than a brain-freeze. It's called a brain-meltdown, probably caused by that hot exhaust gas from your brain-fart !

    Man, can't keep it together here myself... have to laugh at my own jokes.

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  • bistander
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    Originally posted by BroMikey View Post

    Then do it. However in my never ending mercy for willful ignorance let me again point out that a 3 coil experiment using the same approx PM watts was already shown to you of which you refuse to see. Keep in mind this experiment is a single coil and the other video uses 3 of these same coils, showing the PM input (a very expensive scope) breaks even. Thane states that more is going back to the battery than is being taken. This video I am talking about is his E-BIKE testing where the only power source is the on board set of batteries. Now do I need to write it in magic marker on your forehead? I know i seem harsh. Are you heart broken or just house broken?I like to BS

    Just kidding you guys are really smart and the best minds i have seen in a while. Keep looking. The video's take time to sink in and are hard to hear over the noise. I was much the same way at first wondering what Thane was talking about. I think it was 420watts with 3 coils but I would have to look that figure up. I do know sometimes under the right conditions that more went back to the battery with ONLY the 3 coil run. There are a few video demo's where this happened and they were not all the same setup. Go to his youtube and study. And if I see those I will post them again for the 30th time since you are finally catching on. That is the only way, trust me, this ain't easy to sort out when you have mind-freeze

    BTW did you see this? I posted it a million times. He must have a secret cord i hear ya, you guys never change.

    Remember this?

    Originally posted by bistander View Post

    You still believe it requires power to rotate mass at constant speed and likely blame Issac Newton for blindly listening to his professors and not thinking outside the box, don't you?

    And are you referring to this video done by Thane Heinz posted by you? Here:


    What is Thane supposed to have proved with that demonstration and lecture? Follow this, maybe watch it and take some notes.

    Up to around the 3:00 marker, the bike is running, wheel up at idle, 670 RPM, -.53A and 76.9V on the battery.

    He then increased throttle. Now the tach shows 3536RPM, -6.0A and 74.8V.
    Then he switches in RegenX coils. It speeds up to 3575RPM, -5.4A, and 75.1V.

    When he shuts it off, the camera is still focused on the ammeter and voltmeter. As you hear the wheel slow down to a stop, the ammeter display drops to essentially zero however the voltmeter value increases steadily to 76.6V at which time he moves the camera.

    So the current, which he claims is battery current, is -.53, -6.0 and -5.4 Amps. Always a negative value. It's negative before he turns on RegenX and stays negative after he turns on RegenX. It was not charging the battery before he turned on RegenX and was not charging the battery after he turned on RegenX, as proved by the sign (-) of the current not changing before and after engaging the generator coils by his switches.

    Another telltale indicator that the battery was not charged is the voltage measurement. His first reading at idle was 76.9V at -.53A, next it was 74.8V at -6.0A, then with RegenX, 75.1V at -5.4A, then finally, at 0A, 76.6V, which we'll call open circuit voltage or resting voltage. The battery was definitely not charging at a voltage less than its resting voltage.

    The whole video is ridiculous. His instruments disprove his narrative and claims. He doesn't even recognize this. That is why I call him an idiot. That is the only thing his videos prove.
    bi
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    His own instruments show that the battery never charges during the demonstration. Explain that.
    bi

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by pmgriphone View Post

    brought this up multiple times.

    The experiment that needs to be done is running the prime mover with no coils near the rotor and then repeat it with a coil near the rotor. .
    Then do it. However in my never ending mercy for willful ignorance let me again point out that a 3 coil experiment using the same approx PM watts was already shown to you of which you refuse to see. Keep in mind this experiment is a single coil and the other video uses 3 of these same coils, showing the PM input (a very expensive scope) breaks even. Thane states that more is going back to the battery than is being taken. This video I am talking about is his E-BIKE testing where the only power source is the on board set of batteries. Now do I need to write it in magic marker on your forehead? I know i seem harsh. Are you heart broken or just house broken?I like to BS

    Just kidding you guys are really smart and the best minds i have seen in a while. Keep looking. The video's take time to sink in and are hard to hear over the noise. I was much the same way at first wondering what Thane was talking about. I think it was 420watts with 3 coils but I would have to look that figure up. I do know sometimes under the right conditions that more went back to the battery with ONLY the 3 coil run. There are a few video demo's where this happened and they were not all the same setup. Go to his youtube and study. And if I see those I will post them again for the 30th time since you are finally catching on. That is the only way, trust me, this ain't easy to sort out when you have mind-freeze

    BTW did you see this? I posted it a million times. He must have a secret cord i hear ya, you guys never change.

    Last edited by BroMikey; 07-19-2021, 09:58 AM.

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  • pmgriphone
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    Originally posted by BroMikey View Post
    Maybe so but that is not the only point. A 360watt PM of a magnet rotor with 12 coils at 60watts each equals how much? |Or how about 24 coils? At which point each added coil reducing the PM input 20-30watt each, how much?

    385w will say minus 15w reduction PM input for 24coils = 360w reduction from 385w

    Each coil generates 60w X 24coil = 1440w

    Care to take this question? I guess you are uncomfortable with the data.
    Brodummy, you are getting back into your old habits.

    Thane has one coil near the rotor. Adding more coils is going to consume more power from the prime mover. Again, these are capacitive coils in which internal current flows even if the external leads are not connected. Not sure how many times this needs to be repeated before it enters your brain. You make that mistake and so does Thane. Bi has also already brought this up multiple times.

    The experiment that needs to be done is running the prime mover with no coils near the rotor and then repeat it with a coil near the rotor. You will see that there is a difference: more power is required from the prime mover if a coil is near the rotor.

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