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  • BroMikey
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    It's about time

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  • Turion
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    An AC motor will run on the output of the generator. We know this because we have already run one for weeks. While it may not be EFFICIENT, it will still run, up to a point. If the frequency gets too high, it won't. But it won't really matter how efficient it is if we get it to loop itself. That's what Greyland is working on. He may be able to do it. He may NOT. I haven't tried, so I make no predictions. We will see. The motor will be here tomorrow, but his help won't be there until Friday. If it's so inefficient that it takes 10 of the 12 coils to self run and we only get power out of the last two, the point will still have been made won't it?

    As for the plastic.....what is cut out of it can be melted down and reused. It doesn't have to go to waste. Already thought of that. And I am not the one doing it. That is not my shop in the pictures or my truck hauling the plastic. Someone else is doing all that, and he knows what he is doing. By the way the plastic for the generator costs about $300.00 not $20,000. But since this is like my 17th version, yeah, I have spent some money on plastic for all these different versions. I'm. sure the total outlay for all the parts for all those machines plus the cost of machining is well over $20,000.00

    But I have committed to this. I will get it to where it does exactly what I want it to do. And there will now be several others who ALSO have machines to play with. I doubt if any of them will waste their time posting HERE, but that's fine. I don't need their support. I know what I know.

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  • BroMikey
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    I wish I had the $20,000 you spent in blocks of plastic that most gets turned into shaving on the floor. I mean your panels look like Swiss cheese after they are all cut. Dude a 150hz - 200hz AC power in not going to effectively provide power to a 60hz motor. You know that. Great update. Finally have someone doing the work right. I hope that liquid rotor doesn't throw any magnets at the yuppies. or maybe you could make it into a skeet throwing machine?

    Happy cement footings. PS don't ya just luv a smart azz?

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  • Turion
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    Progress on New generator build. The big slab is to cut the coil holders out of. New rotors with 22 magnets instead of 12, and thicker magnets for additional mass. This is a PRECISION build, unlike what we have been doing in the past, and should be capable of much higher RPM.

    Greyland got the new AC motor for the OLD generator to see if he can loop it. He won't be able to work on it until this Friday when he has help. That stroke has really hampered his ability to work. Will let you know whether it works or not. The 1/8 HP AC motor he tried simply did not have enough power to turn the rotor when all the coils were connected to loads, as there is a bit of Lenz when that happens. Not much, but enough to slow it down, and once it begins to slow, it is a vicious cycle. But that motor ran just fine off the output of two of the coils. The new motor may require four coils. We don't know. But like I told Greyland. Who cares if it requires four, six, eight, or ten. If it runs itself and still has TWO coils left to run loads, it will prove the point. It is very difficult to get the RPM, the wire length, and all adjusted perfectly so that the coils neither slow the machine down nor speed it up when under load. Very tricky. The AC motor will start the machine running off the wall plug, or off an inverter connected to a battery until the machine is up to speed, and then switch over to the power produced by the coils.

    This first picture is how the three magnets are placed in the rotor on the NEW machine. Because they all attract each other, they all hold each other in the rotor once put in place, and you don't have to worry about magnets coming "unglued from the rotor and flying out.

    Rotor Magnet Fitting.png In the rotor there is a 3/4" x 3/4 hole for magnets on each side of a 1/2" x 1/4" thick hole. This allows a 1/2" diameter magnet that is 1/4 inch thick to be put into the center hole, and 3/4" x 3/4" magnets to be pressed in on each side of it until they make contact with it. All three magnets will be touching each other, and none of them will want to come out of that rotor once they are in. It's nice that I now have OTHER people working on this and don't have to try and do everything myself. I'm. still very busy remodeling. New crap keeps turning up that I have to deal with. SO frustrating. But this motor project is moving along without me. Very cool.
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  • BroMikey
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    More fuel cell promises. The military is using 24 pole rotating mass generators now. These very advanced machines are not so obsolete that maybe a fuel cell can take the place. No not at all. There is a reason for everything. The fuel cell dream world, goose chase has always been a slight of hand trick to distract from the real news. Started in the 60's and early 70's was in all of the major science publications. I was there at the time of their release with promises ranging from cold fusion to utopia. Chase on if you like.

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  • Turion
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    This info probably needs its own thread, but I do not have the time, so I will post it here, and you can do what you will with it. Suffice to say, another "LAW" bites the dust. Whether people choose to believe it or not, research is being done EVERY DAY that prove many of the "LAWS" not only CAN be broken, but SHOULD be broken to achieve our goals
    https://news.uark.edu/articles/54830...-from-graphene

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  • BroMikey
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    The way I figured out frequency of these generators was by looking at the military patents. They have 24 poles and operate at 400hz. I was never interested in having someone tell my the exact freq their machine was running, just generally. Was it 1khz, was it 100hz? I have been here exploring over 5 years only just recently found the answer on my frequency meter. Anyone who has half a brain knows that rpm changes the freq.

    In fact for the last 100 years the manual for a 2 or 4 pole gas generator instructs a person to idle adjust the freq setting, this is a no brainier.Of course rpm changes the freq, that has never been the question. My setup is a 20 pole and at 1600rpm the freq is 295hz. At 3600 rpm it would be over double that. This is why the military uses a 24 pole. A 24 pole generator lets the operator have his cake and eat it to, so to speak. That generator runs at 1700rpm, which is very slow extending the life of the rotating parts dramatically and at the same time puts out a whopping 400hz. 400hz power has 5 times the output of the same size 60hz. Some say 6 times. At 400hz the wires carries the power on the skin, so skin effect changes everything. To take proper advantage of 400hz in terms of collection and distribution is way over your head and the heads of those who read these posts.

    Hope you don't get burned alive like others have. A generator is nice but the air is nasty to breath. maybe an oxygen source would be in order. If the smoke gets thick enough your wife is going to stay gone till rainy season.

    Happy remodeling.
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  • Turion
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    I know what the frequency of the machine was at the time it was tested. If I had it on my bench, I could tell you what the frequency is right now. But I don't. Greyland has changed the magnetic neutralization, which affects the RPM, and therefore the frequency. (It runs faster now for the same input, despite what some people think.) He has changed the motor, which changes the RPM and therefore the frequency. He is running on batteries rather than a power supply, which changes the voltage, therefore the RPM, therefore the frequency. The machine is on HIS bench, not mine, and so I cannot do measurements that would give me the information I need.

    I am not dependent on the "grid", so not worried about that. As long as the fires don't get me, I'm fine.

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  • BroMikey
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    What I can't figure is how Dave could have multiple engineers coming and going for the past many years including multiple labs doing tests and Dave says he does not know what the frequency of his units are and is left to speculate. Something sounds fishy. He sure didn't get his money's worth, Dave got took. I remember so many time Dave pointing out how he had paid out many multiples of thousands and thousands of dollars which is completely understandable, hell I do that here.

    I think these so called professionals were crackpots. Can't even provide a basic printout of associated data. Weak.Nice guys finish up last.

    Hey Dave, all last week it looked like rain in Kansas (I was thinking) but instead, smoke. I hope everyone gets out of that area safe. It looked like doom and gloom all last week, scary. Kansas is far far away. North Cal is going to shut down the grid soon. Good luck with that.
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  • BroMikey
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    Infinity generator efficiency



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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by Rakarskiy View Post
    Nice machine. Many designs coming.

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  • Rakarskiy
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    http://www.nce.energy/dmig/?fbclid=I...9FOmW52oR-uw5M

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by Turion View Post

    As I recall, Frequency = RPM x Number of poles divided by [2 x 60 (number of seconds in a minute)]. I'm sure if I'm wrong SOMEONE will take great pleasure in pointing that out to me. I'm getting old and my memory for formulas I didn't really know in the first place is not that great.
    Okay let's see if that is true. My gen runs at 1500r's has 10 poles = 15000 divide by 120 = 125hz and my freq is 290hz

    All I can tell you is what the bench reality is. My 10 pole also runs at 1000r's =10000 divide 120 = 83 hz using this formula and the bench tests show 180hz. The best way to find freq is by using a meter that measures hz I would say. Did i do the calculation you presented correctly? Maybe this rule of thumb is for standard motors?

    Then I thought about it again and maybe mine is a 20 pole so X 1500 = 30000 divide 120 = 250hz is alot closer. On the other hand as I see your generator having 10 magnet poles x 3500rpm = 35000 divide 120 = 290hz. So I think you answered one of my questions. Mine must be a 20 pole due to the arrangement of the c core effecting the single coil twice where each of your coils are completely separate. It's only considered a non essential calculation if it does not pertain. If the learning curve I am experiencing thru numbers is making you angry, this is my best. being short is not a good sign. My representations of our exchanges over a 5 year point are completely accurate, however I must say you are doing better as of the last 1 year.
    To be clear, I use playful interjections to characterize the early interaction and are only my person views which do not reflect what other people may see. I have no intention of apologizing for your past insolent behavior nor do I hold it against you. The facts are facts. Now that you have moved, we can get over it. To be honest lately our communications (by comparison) have been sickly sweet.Oh you eventually shared but not before you realized some things.

    This is the true formula found on the web

    The equation for synchronous speed - the speed of the magnetic field inside the motor stator is 120 x F / P where F is the applied frequency in Hz, and P is the number of poles (always a multiple of 2) in the motor winding. 120 is a constant that gives your answer in revolutions per minute.


    According to this you are right but i am still thinking on it. This is something to go on.

    BTW 1 pound of force to turn the rotor is great.

    Happy remodeling Dave, hope the smoke does not completely engulf Cal.

    The data I have needs some review for instance my rpm's might be off slightly because since I added the new more accurate probe I have not redone all of my calculations of which I think are lower for rpm (actual) Also with and without the opposing magnets playing a giant role can slow down or speed up the rotor. I hope to offer a more detailed data stream in the future, for those who do not KNOW everything. I hope you found our conversation as stimulating.

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  • Turion
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    You filled a page with useless babble, as usual, and still managed to fail to address the only important issue, which was whether or not the formula I showed is correct. If not I need to revise it. I guess you don’t KNOW the answer and think if you give enough examples I can figure it out. Or I could just look it up on the internet. If you don’t KNOW the formula you could just say so.

    Yes, I have mentioned the independent lab before. I’ve had machines in there two different times for testing over the years. Which is one of the main reasons, despite what the “experts” on the forum have to say, both Greyland and I have continued to invest time and money in this project. I have the greatest respect for bench work and proof shown on the bench rather than the opinions of people who build nothing and quote Wikipedia.

    I have no patience for your comment about me claiming something is “mine, all mine”. I have been very clear that the concept for speed up under load coils, more importantly NEUTRAL coils, came from Tesla’s patent and have shared that patent number on many occasions. I have also shared the patent I came across that put forth the idea of magnetic neutralization. I claimed neither of these concepts as mine. I just said the speed up under load coil did NOT originate with Thaine. So what is it I have claimed is “mine, all mine.”?

    This machine IS mine. I built it. A lot of money and hard work went into it and the15 prior versions. And then rather than try to make money off it, I brought it here and gave away all the information and details on how to build it. My mistake. I should have just turned it over to investors and let the folks here figure crap out for themselves. The fact that I built this machine doesn’t mean others before me haven’t built machines with these kinds of coils or with magnetic neutralization in place. They probably HAVE. But I can’t order one anywhere so this one IS “mine, all mine.” I always assumed it would be possible to loop it, but I don’t have the time to work on it right now. Getting close though. Three rooms left to tile, three rooms left to paint and baseboards left to put up when the carpet guys are done and all the tile is in. Getting people out to do the work I need done is the problem. Nobody can come set my gas stove (For heating the place) until October, so unless I find a YouTube video on how to put the stove pipe between the new stove and the old fixed bracket on the ceiling, it’s just one more delay. If I can figure it out, I can probably be done in two weeks. If not, it may be a couple more months. Not putting down new carpet until that stove is set in place. Don’t want crap from the ceiling falling all over brand new carpet,or workers installing the stove walking all over it.

    Gotta get this house finished so the fires can come along and burn it to the ground.
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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    As I recall, Frequency = RPM x Number of poles divided by [2 x 60 (number of seconds in a minute)]. I'm sure if I'm wrong SOMEONE will take great pleasure in pointing that out to me. I'm getting old and my memory for formulas I didn't really know in the first place is not that great.

    The lab is less than a block form his shop.
    Where have I heard chatter about an independent lab, before? Hummm? Let me think. It was Dave Bowling I remember now. Say about 5 years ago? Anyway Dave yer not gittin older yer gittin better.

    Below are MY frequencies. Not Dave's, mine, cause I did all the bench work to all you lazy slobs and it's mine all mine. Just kidding. I was only foolin only Dave talks like that, I guess it's tryin to rub off. I am stealing Dave's lines now.

    Okay on a more serious notation concerning motors and generator frequency measurements in HZ.

    #1 A conventional 2 pole electric motor running off the grid at 60hz operates at 3600 RPM.

    #2 A 4 pole electric motor operates also on 60 cycles per second but the running speed is cut in half coming in at 1800 RPM's.

    Below is a 10 pole? or is this considered a 20 pole? Since each coil core uses both poles at once.

    Come let's do some math. Mine operates at 1000 RPM's and produces (generators are operating as reverse motors) 180HZ . 1000 goes into 3600 =3.6 times slower than the grid motor. And produces 3 times the HZ.(see dia) 5 times as many poles operating from the grid as a 2 pole motor would take the RPM much lower than the conventional 4 pole motor. We maybe should cut this RPM in fifths.

    3600 divided by 5 = 720 RPM as a motor using the 60hz, however as a generator at 40% of 3600 or 1500 RPM my generator (Motor working in reverse) produces close to 300hz at times. This is 5X the grid Freaks. Do you see it? 5X keeps popping up. These figures are horse shoe numbers, meaning close approximations. If you can get 2 fingers, yer good to go. Now go figure it out. If I don't hear back soon I'll assume you are all still sitting on yer hands, right Dave?


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