Muller generator replication by Romerouk

[Slider2732]

From all the reading over at the other forum, I believe that's actually part of the solution, rather than a problem
If you have a 12V 20W bulb, then that would be the same as Romero's machine was tuned for. So, to my simple mind here, you want the 12V bulb as the load and to record another 0.98 ! Take the battery away and open a well deserved beer !

That fine tuning adjusting slide looks cool..a world of difference to my remelting of hotglue approach.

[toranarod]

Hi Rod,

Congratulations, great work.

So the ADAMS stuff is kicking in eh!

I picked up four of those inductors from Jaycar about 6 weeks ago.

Would love to know how you managed no drop in RPM


Regards, Penno

I changed the magnet size. from 30mm down to 10mm
and get the rpm up to 2000 and higher. its basically about timing where the magnets are with in the magnetic field when it changes polarity.
it only works at the correct load. I am studying this problem at the moment,

are you in Australia ?

[penno64]

Hi Rod,

Congratulations, great work.

So the ADAMS stuff is kicking in eh!

I picked up four of those inductors from Jaycar about 6 weeks ago.

Would love to know how you managed no drop in RPM


Regards, Penno

[gyula]

Hi Rod,

Very good result!

Would be curious to know if you were to use a 1 Ohm high wattage rated resistor as the load, how the RPM would be affected if any? (It would be good to tune the 9 mH inductance by an equivalent capacitive reactance at the RPM frequency so that the load could be the pure 1 Ohm load resistance and not reactive. The cap could be either in parallel or in series with the coil, test should tell.) What is the input power to get that output?

Thanks, Gyula

[toranarod]

I have been busy building an adjustable coil slide. It became very important to find the correct distance between the coil and the magnet to achieve running under load.

I can short the coil completely out with no apparent loss in speed. RPM stays constant at 2652 RPM.

Coil generates 31 volts open circuit.
Coil 9mH at 1.1 OHM 250 turns with 0.9mm wire on an iron core.

[toranarod]

Toranarod,

Would it not be more appropriate to change the colum "Ratio in watts / out" into the more commonly used "Ratio out watts / in"?

The figures in that colum would then show:
.75 (75% efficient)
1.01 (101% efficient!!)
.93 (93% efficient)

Regards Itsu

yes that will be fine

if it makes more sense I will change the presentation of the data.

[Itsu]

efficiency

Toranarod,

Would it not be more appropriate to change the colum "Ratio in watts / out" into the more commonly used "Ratio out watts / in"?

The figures in that colum would then show:
.75 (75% efficient)
1.01 (101% efficient!!)
.93 (93% efficient)

Regards Itsu

[MonsieurM]

I have pages and Pages of these data collections.
Maybe I should put them in an excel graph.
Would you like to see more?



What I do is control the coil charge up time as coils work like capacitors the more you charge them up the more energy they give back. The idea is not to let the coil reach saturation because this is a waste of energy this is how I fine tune the coils power consumption verse is power out put.

This makes it possible to see how efficient a coil can be and test one coil against another.

You need to no how long the charge time is and only allow it to discharge until it is reached a point that renders it useless.

do you stop at 2 trigger events, and can you go higher (comparing 2, 5, 8 for instance ) ?

also, do you happen to know (you could check online) the humidity levels while you were running your experiment?

see also: http://www.energeticforum.com/148124-post93.html

[MonsieurM]

I have pages and Pages of these data collections.
Maybe I should put them in an excel graph.
Would you like to see more?

as i mentioned before in other thread the secret is in the numbers, as numbers are but a reflection of reality...do you happen to have the data on when a storm or sun gave an "OU effect" or an unusual effects

I'm sure some of you have data lying around, having looked at them from all angles and moved on to adding more data. Maybe you should try the above mentioned method and see what comes out...

it's all about translation

[toranarod]

[MonsieurM]

I have checked the results many times and will continue.

i did a little addition exercise, some may think it is useless, but i usually look for a hidden pattern, and you never know what could come out of it

I took toranarod values and added them to themselves (ex 16=1+6=7 )

anyway here is the numbers for the two first line

1/6/2/3/2/6/3/7/3/4/7

1/6/1/7/2/5/3/8/8/8/3

i may have mis-added, so please double check (did the calculations in my head)...

[toranarod]

This is the new motor setup that has been yielding better figures.
There is another coil piggy backing on the iron core behind the litz coil.

The small magnets have also provided a much faster RPM as well as more out put verses input. Reducing the coil to magnet ratio was an improvement.

Best RPM today 3206, Watts 1.08 Ratio.
All other figures still check out. I am a bit restless with the new figures.

The hypothesis is? If I can maintain a 1:1 ratio from the drive coil on recovery anything generated by the generator coils is a free bee.

I have been working like crazy to assemble my magnet and gen coil ring around the out side of the rotor. All I need to do is extract current from the generator coils so as not to incur any slowing of the rotor.

I still have the nine litz wire coil to assemble and a few other improvements to try. you just need to keep on thinking about ways to make improvements and give them a try.

[Joit]

I have checked the results many times and will continue.

ehheh.
Nice done toranarod, Good Job. And even Slider, to bring it closer. Ty.
Looks like that can be something to rebuild.

[Slider2732]

Yeah...are we viewing the .98 in the way we think we're viewing it ?

[ewizard]

I have checked the results many times and will continue.

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Nice work toranarod! Looks like you are tip toeing into Overunity territory.