Muller generator replication by Romerouk

[Slider2732]

@Joit - Yep. Here ya go, it was penno who posted: Muller Dynamo
What struck me were lines such as
"There are so many combinations to test. I am sure you will be impressed by the speed up."
"The word I have is that many new things will be found. Persist and experiment."
and
"Nonetheless, much tuning will still be required - I have been told."

[MonsieurM]

Hello MonsieurM,
Thank you for your assistance and advice in this area but this is your area of expertise, not mine. I do understand where and how this would be helpful to this work. Could I ask you to do the numbers for this research? If I present the numbers from all the data and parameters that I have extracted, would you extrapolate and put forward what maybe the correct changes that I should make to the system. I could then test these parameters, present the new figures and tune the system towards the desired goal. My resources are already stretched to the max. Help from others with expertise in specific fields would go a long way to accelerating the project.
Cheers, Rod

It would be my great pleasure, you send me your data , and i'll work with data for you, I'll modulate it until something comes out. Just let me know what are the fixed parameters and the ones you can modulate....

basically what are my limitations (for instance i would need 9 physical parameters these should essentially directly affect the electromagnetic wave generated)

I'll pm you my email.....

[toranarod]

@Toranarod, thank very much for the info, just to give you an idea of why I am asking you for the numbers, it may help you find a pattern

The Philosopher Stoned

Hello MonsieurM,
Thank you for your assistance and advice in this area but this is your area of expertise, not mine. I do understand where and how this would be helpful to this work. Could I ask you to do the numbers for this research? If I present the numbers from all the data and parameters that I have extracted, would you extrapolate and put forward what maybe the correct changes that I should make to the system. I could then test these parameters, present the new figures and tune the system towards the desired goal. My resources are already stretched to the max. Help from others with expertise in specific fields would go a long way to accelerating the project.
Cheers, Rod

[totoalas]

Magnet Motor - Kicker.

another way to kick magnets around

cheers
totoalas

‪The magnet kicker‬‏ - YouTube

[MonsieurM]

@Toranarod, thank very much for the info, just to give you an idea of why I am asking you for the numbers, it may help you find a pattern

The Philosopher Stoned

I would like to take a slightly deeper look at the Fibonacci/Rodin number wheel. But first, a quick review of Marko Rodin's vortex based mathematics for those that aren't so familiar. It is based on reducing all numbers to whole numbers, for example 25 = 2+5 = 7 or 1.156 = 1+1+5+6 = 13 = 1+3 = 4. From this we see very interesting patterns emerge. It may seem simple at first, but I believe it has far-reaching applications some of which we have seen in the development of the Rodin Coil. Take a look at this simple multiplication table - thanks to Chris Te Nyenhuis for this.

pay attention to row 4 and 5; and column 4 and 5

Notice first how 9 repeats itself always. This is the master key of all numbers, we can think of it as zero, the point from which all numbers emerge. Just as zero divides positive from negative, 9 creates two polarities embodied in 3 and 6. The 3-6-9 and 6-3-9 cycle can be thought of as clockwise and counter-clockwise, or electricity and magnetism. We can also see the other pairs which add up to 9: 1 and 8, 2 and 7, 4 and 5, run backwards from each other. We will call these inverts. So 8 could be thought of as -1, 7 as -2, etc.
These 6 remaining numbers can also be depicted as a doubling/halving circuit on the lazy infinity shape on this wheel. Following one way we have doubling or powers of two: 1, 2, 4, 8, 7, 5, 1... equivalent to 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64... The other way is halving, or inverse powers of two: 1, 5, 7, 8, 4, 2, 1 ... expressing 1, .5, .25, .125, .625, etc. Start from any number and this holds true.

[toranarod]

toranarod, would it be possible for you to give me the dimensions of the coils (number of turns, lenght of wire), I want to play with the numbers like in your previous table and see what comes out....

[MonsieurM]

Looking at the magnet to coil size ratio (in the photo below) there appears to be a direct relationship.

toranarod, would it be possible for you to give me the dimensions of the coils (number of turns, lenght of wire), I want to play with the numbers like in your previous table and see what comes out....

[Joit]

Slider
are you sure about that, that Romero did connect the Litzwire on the Muller this Way?
I thought i did read almost all over there, but anyhow did miss this Part,
that he mentioned, the Coils been connected in this Way.
This would make a different Picture at all.

[quantumuppercut]

Hi all,

I do see one case where Lenz does not effect RPM.

The first one show drag on left and right of top dead center. The second one would be drag and boost.

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[Slider2732]

@elias - the 'Slider coil' refers to experiments I conducted recently, back a few pages in this thread. Over at OU, there was a diagram posted that seemed to be of little consequence or use to people, but had come from talks by someone (forgotten who at the moment) with Romero. Romero had supplied a diagram that related to coil windings.
He said at the start of all this, that he used a lot of salvaged multi-strand wire from old PC monitors. The wire comes from the neck of the tubes and is typically of 7 strands. it's tough to remove because of the factory glue, but holds up very well if careful when removing it.
Romero's drawing was for 5 strands, so I extended the idea to 7.

The diagrams are all a few pages back, as I say, but after winding a coil, the start strands 1, 2, and 3 connect to the end strands 4, 5, 6, and 7. Those are then all soldered together. The start strands 4, 5, 6, and 7 become one coil input and the end strands 1, 2, and 3 become the other input.

Raised to 9 strands (as found personally on a trim coil next to a monitor circuit board flyback) such effects as white flashes within a neon bulb can be observed when it is directly connected across the coil input wires. As power coils they exibit odd effects, such as the ability to keep the rotor spinning at one exact speed no matter what the running voltage. You can start a motor with 12V and decrease right down to 3V and the rotor will spin at exactly the same rate !
Placing an LED across the joined up wires and one coil input wire will light the LED, but seemingly draw no extra power or decrease rotor speed. The 9 strand coil I made had actually 10 strands...placing an LED across the ends of that spare strand lit the LED well.
Also, if positioned incredibly carefully, a massive speed up in rotor speed can be achieved when shorting the coil. I used a household lightbulb to do so in one YouTube video.
Rod has had success with the coil winding method too and continues to stride forwards with his own build after the 9 strand method was tried at his suggestion.

Hope that helps

[yx630514]

Hi toranarod:
Thank you for the timely response.

I speed roughly 1200-2200rpm (controlled by adjusting the power supply voltage level).

PS: How do you achieve "multistage Pulse system"? I noticed that you wave in the "ON" state has 5 tip-peak. But I now only 1 tip-peak.

[toranarod]

Thank you. Very informative. Does a bearing of that size run nice and free? I was thinking of going down the maglev rout.

The bearing is very robust and can take a lot of force un like the HD bearings.
any good bearing will do. they spin very smooth for there size and have good tolerances. I was surprised how good they are.

[toranarod]

Hi toranarod:

Now I use you to provide circuit experiment,
Supply voltage 20V, it works very good. Load use AC 220V energy saving lamps.
But: load (CFLs) are still only can intermittent flashes (flashing very fast), Not always continuous light.

Where I did not do right?
How to solve this problem?

Thank you and look forward to your reply.

PS: You now work: Precise adjustment of the distance between coil and magnet, and the use of incandescent bulbs, They still use the BEMF recovery work mode?

Increase the size of the 47uF cap to 470 uF on the output and try to increase RPM.
what is your RPM? I use a multistage Pulse system that I can control. more pulse the more EMF.

[Zooty]

I use a heavy auto motive bearing. Its from the V Belt Idler Pulley from my Toyota
You can get one from any car they are cheap and easy to make this is what I have done


8 magnets inserted into a solid billet of PVC. 150 mm Dia. Each magnet extends out by 5 mm making total diameter 160 mm

I will get back to you on the laminates

Thank you. Very informative. Does a bearing of that size run nice and free? I was thinking of going down the maglev rout.

[yx630514]

Hi toranarod:

Now I use you to provide circuit experiment,
Supply voltage 20V, it works very good. Load use AC 220V energy saving lamps.
But: load (CFLs) are still only can intermittent flashes (flashing very fast), Not always continuous light.

Where I did not do right?
How to solve this problem?

Thank you and look forward to your reply.

PS: You now work: Precise adjustment of the distance between coil and magnet, and the use of incandescent bulbs, They still use the BEMF recovery work mode?