Muller generator replication by Romerouk

[Mark]

Wouldn't using an electro magnet double your input though?

[Steve220]

Hi Steve,

Perhaps the biggest obstacle in your suggestion is the use of brushes? Because you would be forced to use means for accessing the gen coil outputs on the rotor?

One more thing I would be curious: have you figured out how you combine an electromagnet with a permanent magnet so that you get a switchable magnet?

Thanks, Gyula

[scratchrobot]

@elias, Thanks for answering my question, you are right that that sort of question can be a mind block but not in my case.

I think Matthew Jones did a good job on describing the effect here here Thank you Matthew

What if we combine this with the odd-number/even-number configuration of poles/magnets so that a magnetic balance occurs which eliminates the work required to move one pole from the other no matter how large or strong the magnetic surface would be. This concept allows the flywheel to turn easily and efficiently despite the inherent powerful holding force of the magnets?

Regards, scratchrobot

[gyula]

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By using electro magnets in place of permanent magnets, then you could cut off the magnetic field at any point during the rotation of the rotor. The generator coils could be placed on the rotor and the switchable magnets could be mounted stationary.
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Hi Steve,

Perhaps the biggest obstacle in your suggestion is the use of brushes? Because you would be forced to use means for accessing the gen coil outputs on the rotor?

One more thing I would be curious: have you figured out how you combine an electromagnet with a permanent magnet so that you get a switchable magnet?

Thanks, Gyula

[gyula]

Hi all. Don't know if this is tried or even relevant to the conversation but I have been able to increase a rotor speed by placing a generator coil in series (on positive side) with a cap dump back to primary and then placing the gen coil in the correct position next to the rotor so that it pushes (or pulls) the magnet that is approaching when the dump event occurs. This also causes a resistance in the dump circuit preventing the cap from draining as quickly. If its useful try it if not just ignore and my apologies. Great work everyone.

al

Hi Al,

Would like to know if the input power draw remains nearly the same or changes when you apply the gen coil in series as you described? This would be a key point: the input power would not change (or would even decrease) when you apply the gen coil series insertion.

Your test reminds me of Ben Thomas tests with the RomeroUK motor-generator setup where Ben also inserted 2 gen coils output in series with the primary input, see his video:
My Romero Boost Circuit - YouTube

Ben wrote: Just showing how I series main power supply and Romero single coil pair power generator supply to demonstrate boost and increase in RPM and reduction of Lenz.
14VDC in about 2100 rpm, 14VDC in with load on generator but no boost, about 1800 rpm, boost in motor generator sees about 19.5 VDC and runs 2500 RPM +.
Below about 10VDC on Motor, Lenz is greater in generator and just loads down rotor, above that you start to see the Generator/boost effect kick in! On my motor best combination is about 14.000VDC on main power supply.


So I believe this series method needs further investigation because it seems to give some extra without much penalty... thanks for bringing this up.

Gyula

[toranarod]

I have, and the effect I got was similar to when I was using ferrite as my core. I could get about almost no drag when shorting the coil at about 6000RPM, that was the closest thing I was able to achieve. Have you been able to do tests with ferrite. If you cannot get the same effect by using ferrite, then we will know that Iron has some role in all of this.

I have tried ferrite twice with no positive results.
I will try air core see what transpires.
This is what I think? The iron is slow at recovering and it works even better with only half cycle loading. Only drawing current as the magnet approaches the iron core. And not loading as it is leaving the core would suggest the speed increase is because the left over lenz created after the diodes stop conducting. It then pushes the magnet away.
The speed is better with a load on the generator coils than it is with no coils in the motor at all.
The other two very important factors are rotor speed and the gap between core and magnet. To get where I am now I needed to build an adjustable mounting for the coils that can be adjusted while the motor is running. Never would have seen this effect if I could not of done that.

[Zooty]

I have, and the effect I got was similar to when I was using ferrite as my core. I could get about almost no drag when shorting the coil at about 6000RPM, that was the closest thing I was able to achieve. Have you been able to do tests with ferrite. If you cannot get the same effect by using ferrite, then we will know that Iron has some role in all of this.

Again, this sounds like an inductance induced magnetic delay in the coil core. It would not make sense to do this with an air core because the RPM would need to be higher creating the need for higher input. Why does iron work so much better? That's what we need to be thinking about if we are to really figure out the inner workings of the effect we see. We should be concentrating on creating the effect at lower RPM's. Romero said that this effect worked best using Mu metal. What does that tell us?

[elias]

I have never tried air cores well not recently. coils without cores are hard to mount.

you are right this needs to be tested. see what i can set up, same coil no core. I will post what ever results i find.

I am very interested in the bucking coil concept.
looking forward to more research on this subject.

thanks to all
cheers

I have, and the effect I got was similar to when I was using ferrite as my core. I could get about almost no drag when shorting the coil at about 6000RPM, that was the closest thing I was able to achieve. Have you been able to do tests with ferrite. If you cannot get the same effect by using ferrite, then we will know that Iron has some role in all of this.

[elias]

This is all old stuff and has been here for years, if it's real then why aren't we using this technology already???

Regards, scratchrobot

That is the mind block that prevented it from happening. I believe that there are forces at play to prevent us from knowing this, and has worked to distract people from getting so close to this simple effect. Thane has been saying us all along, do we listen?

"There is no free energy, you have to work hard to get it", Isn't this quote familiar? I don't believe you need to "work hard" to get the energy of the SUN. The mind blocks need to be removed. Belief is such an important thing, when you believe that you have to work hard to get free energy, then that is what you will get. The belief system of the FE community had been manipulated, on purpose or not, I do not know.

I believe that everything is free, Our bodies, the air we breath, the planet we live on, the Sun that provides us with energy. There is nothing in this universe that you need to work hard to get it. That is the belief of the past. Everything is provided for free in this infinite Universe.

Keep it up friends! I see the light at the end of the tunnel and it is approaching fast.

[Steve220]

[fan1701]

Hi all. Don't know if this is tried or even relevant to the conversation but I have been able to increase a rotor speed by placing a generator coil in series (on positive side) with a cap dump back to primary and then placing the gen coil in the correct position next to the rotor so that it pushes (or pulls) the magnet that is approaching when the dump event occurs. This also causes a resistance in the dump circuit preventing the cap from draining as quickly. If its useful try it if not just ignore and my apologies. Great work everyone.

al

[SkyWatcher]

Hi tornarod, if it is possible with air-cores, it might have to have very large inductance, so it doesn't have to be ludicrous speed on the rotor.
My research from thanes and others and my tests, show that minimum speed threshold needed for the effect, which to me supports the notion that the induced current kicks in at top dead center or after and I think that air-core needs a very high speed or like miles of wire to cause the same lag effect which speeds up rotor.
I guess a good thing to know, is how much copper air coil would it take to match the inductance of your coils with iron core, maybe that would help.

Though if it needed too much copper to match inductance, then the magnet might have more difficulty getting to top dead center or after of the coil to cause a neutral or increased speed effect on load. Hope that makes sense.
peace love light
tyson

[toranarod]

Hi folks, I've seen the effect toranarod is speaking of in my past experiments.

And if it is an assisting force and not just a reduction in forces that represent an existing drag, then it should be possible to use air cores to replicate the effect, i think, which would be really nice if it can be done.
Otherwise I just finished a bifilar bucking coil to mount and test, waiting for little bit of glue to dry.
peace love light
tyson

I have never tried air cores well not recently. coils without cores are hard to mount.

you are right this needs to be tested. see what i can set up, same coil no core. I will post what ever results i find.

I am very interested in the bucking coil concept.
looking forward to more research on this subject.

thanks to all
cheers

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, I've seen the effect toranarod is speaking of in my past experiments.

And if it is an assisting force and not just a reduction in forces that represent an existing drag, then it should be possible to use air cores to replicate the effect, i think, which would be really nice if it can be done.
Otherwise I just finished a bifilar bucking coil to mount and test, waiting for little bit of glue to dry.
peace love light
tyson

[Shadesz]

I have been trying to find away to disprove my results.
I thought what if I was wrong and the increase in speed was due to some anomaly in the drag created by Lenz.
I was thinking if it was the drag friction on the rotor that was some how feeding back to the drive coil increasing speed.
I have tried inducing friction from another source. I mounted a small horse hair paint brush just about the rotor and induced the smallest amount of friction to see if I could in anyway make it increase speed. There was no way this would work. No matter what amount of external drag I applied would increases speed, the slightest touch would slow it down immediately. I have tried many things and looked at every other explanation I can think of for the speed increase. There appears to be only one explanation left, the load on the generator coils are causing a drive force assisting the rotational direction.
It is now conclusive there is anomaly in the Lenz law theory if all your conditions are correct you can draw current from a generator and make it more efficient.
We are now heading in the right direction.

I just wanted to highlight a section of this paragraph. See above. VERY good work ROD! When you are ready, can you explain how you are achieving this effect? (IE, How exactly you load the coil, how you are using the dc to dc converter?, forest confusion with the extra magnets, etc?) Edit: then again I guess you just did.

Keep up the good work!