Muller generator replication by Romerouk

[toranarod]

Hi

I saw a UFO tonight. I was in total amazement, it is different from seeing a video of a UFO.

Anyway. What I think that we should take into consideration for replicating Romero's device is:

1- The magnets must be the same direction. N-N or S-S no alternations. This is one important aspect.

2- The distance between two consecutive magnets must be no more than one magnet a part. This is also very important.

3- The coils must be more flat. The length being about one half its diameter. This makes the coil get more inductance for the lesser resistance.

4- We must draw as much as current as possible from the coils. Using a high current DC-DC converter as he has used.

5- The resistance of our coils be as low as possible.

6- There is a trade off between the inductance of the coil and the resistance. Sticking to 300 turns of wire as he has proposed.

7- Using the strongest magnets we can obtain. Preferably more thick.

8- Using proper core material: ferrite, or laminated Iron, or mu metal or magnetite. The core material diameter being a bit less than the diameter of the magnets.

Please correct me if I missed something.

Elias

Hello Elias

I agree with most of whats on the list just not sold on Ferrite.
I Just cannot get the same results with any other core materials as I do with MU metal. Once you tried MU there's no going back.

I have ordered Iron Oxide - Fe3O4 I need to make the cores to the exact Dimensions I cannot do that with MU metal.

In the mean time have completely dismantled my Romero UK motor replica.
ready for a complete refit. I am looking for a separate drive motor or external system I want all 9 coils as generator coils, for gen power. This was one of Romero's recommendations. the other need is speed.

[qvision]

2- The distance between two consecutive magnets must be no more than one magnet a part. This is also very important.

Please correct me if I missed something.

Elias

I disagree with that point. If the magnets were no more than the diameter of one magnet apart then the triggering mechanism (hall effect sensor) wouldn't see any change in the magnetic field and the drive circuit wouldn't fire.

@meryl

If 1lb of wire gives you 1000 feet then 500g (which is 1lb) won't give you a bit less than 600 metres (which is over 1900 feet).

The wires.co.uk site tells you how many metres per kilo of each wire type on their site, so you shouldn't have to look elsewhere to find out.

If you are in the UK this might be generally helpful, it's my list of UK suppliers :

My recommended UK suppliers.


DC.

[meryl.anny]

Hi, can we focus this thread on the Muller motor ..?

I ordered everything, and now I just have to wait until everything arrives. I'm just missing the litz wire which I'll order today from wires.co.uk - specialist in craft wire, knitted craft wire, silver wire, enamelled copper, resistance wires, stainless steel, plated wires and many more!. I found somewhere else that 1lb gives me approximately 1000ft. So i hope 500g will give me a bit less than 600m.

Hi

Anyway. What I think that we should take into consideration for replicating Romero's device is:

1- The magnets must be the same direction. N-N or S-S no alternations. This is one important aspect.

Isn't there a Muller motor that have alternations? I thought they could be useful to avoid the coild changing too often the current direction. I didn't plan to alternate though.

2- The distance between two consecutive magnets must be no more than one magnet a part. This is also very important.

Seems logical, but where did you heard of that?
Thanks for pointing that out, I didn't think of it. So if you don't have many magnets, don't try to get to huge rotor as the magnets would then be sparse.

3- The coils must be more flat. The length being about one half its diameter. This makes the coil get more inductance for the lesser resistance.

agree completely

4- We must draw as much as current as possible from the coils. Using a high current DC-DC converter as he has used.

Do you think any kind of DC-DC converter would do ?
To get results, we must put a load anyway.

5- The resistance of our coils be as low as possible.

yes

6- There is a trade off between the inductance of the coil and the resistance. Sticking to 300 turns of wire as he has proposed.

Time constant of a LR circuit is L/R

We want the highest time constant possible. A high time constant enables to turn at relatively low speeds. So, big L and low R.

7- Using the strongest magnets we can obtain. Preferably more thick.

The strongest, the better

8- Using proper core material: ferrite, or laminated Iron, or mu metal or magnetite. The core material diameter being a bit less than the diameter of the magnets.

Low hysteresis core, with a high magnetic permeability.

Why high magnetic permeability, wouldn't that increase Lenz drag (if we didn't manage to get Lenz help us?)

[marxist]

orientation of laminations

I have tested this [the orientation of the core-laminations], the best position is the flat position, if you rotate it 90 degrees you will notice that it will start to drag.

Hi Elias,
thank you for the information, that the orientation of the laminations does have an effect.
When you found out about that, did you also try orientations between "flat" and "upright"? That is: did you also test other orientations like 30 degrees and 45 degrees?

Thanks

[quantumuppercut]

Hi everyone!

The more i play with the rotor , more things i discover .

Tell me what you think: ACCELERATION WITH THE HELP OF THE BEMF - YouTube

Always enjoy your vid. Welcome to the forum.

I see the motor is in attraction mode if it rotates counter clock. I wonder if you move the reed a bit to the right, it would decelerate instead of accelerate under fly back EMF loading.

[Lidmotor]

Tiny motor/generator

I emailed him yesterday and he replied today :

"wait a few days
I'm going to disarm each of the engine parts
you will know what is inside
will know my name
will be very exciting
regards"


DC.

I hope that this inventor explains this amazing motor to us. I have watched the video where he assembles it over and over. I stopped it frame by frame to see if I could uncover any secrets. The circuit diagram that is posted over at OU appears to be correct. There is NO switching method used. This may be just like he says----some kind of induction type of motor like an AC induction motor. Maybe when he revs it up to the high RPM some sort of "chasing" occurrs that keeps the rotor spinning. The power being consumed has been explained as 2.5volts at 100 mA. The diodes and the cap on the output may play a part in the motor function. I'm just guessing but I see no other way for this electric motor to work. I am certain that this one is not a fake.
If anybody has any other ideas please post them. This is something that I would like to build.
It has nothing to do with OU or a self-runner. It is just a fun little motor/generator that might answer some of the questions we have about the Romero Muller.

Lidmotor

[Matthew Jones]

Ya'll seen this

free energy overunity device Muller type motor generator with extra magnets - YouTube!

I guess its a replication!

Matt

[mariuscivic]

Hi everyone!

The more i play with the rotor , more things i discover .

Tell me what you think: ACCELERATION WITH THE HELP OF THE BEMF - YouTube

[elias]

Conclusions

Hi

I saw a UFO tonight. I was in total amazement, it is different from seeing a video of a UFO.

Anyway. What I think that we should take into consideration for replicating Romero's device is:

1- The magnets must be the same direction. N-N or S-S no alternations. This is one important aspect.

2- The distance between two consecutive magnets must be no more than one magnet a part. This is also very important.

3- The coils must be more flat. The length being about one half its diameter. This makes the coil get more inductance for the lesser resistance.

4- We must draw as much as current as possible from the coils. Using a high current DC-DC converter as he has used.

5- The resistance of our coils be as low as possible.

6- There is a trade off between the inductance of the coil and the resistance. Sticking to 300 turns of wire as he has proposed.

7- Using the strongest magnets we can obtain. Preferably more thick.

8- Using proper core material: ferrite, or laminated Iron, or mu metal or magnetite. The core material diameter being a bit less than the diameter of the magnets.

Please correct me if I missed something.

Elias

[qvision]

An interesting possible explanation may be here, and even if it's unrelated, i had never ehard of this guy before and his theory is interesting although i haven't read the full documentation yet :

Little bit of a buzz about this device ...

[Web000x]

Don't want to be a downer but the electrolytic cap at the bottom is not a cap "well only the outside wraping", inside is two button cells.



Mike

LOL,

I didn't even realize that he was trying to pull it off as being a cap. I was under the impression that it was a battery the whole time. No wonder I was confused about all of the hype.

Dave

[TanTric]

hmmm

thats it!!

and the 60 volts out, are just the colapsing field spike from the drive coils...

Don't want to be a downer but the electrolytic cap at the bottom is not a cap "well only the outside wraping", inside is two button cells.



Mike

[Michael John Nunnerley]

I emailed him yesterday and he replied today :

"wait a few days
I'm going to disarm each of the engine parts
you will know what is inside
will know my name
will be very exciting
regards"


DC.

Don't want to be a downer but the electrolytic cap at the bottom is not a cap "well only the outside wraping", inside is two button cells.



Mike

[Xenomorph]

xeno, the diodes are not for switching or pulse... but only to rectify the output of the secondary windings... as he explained:

english translation from his video:

turning on the coils induces an alternating current in the secondary winding of each coil carrying alternating current to the diodes that rectify the pulsating direct current, a condenser is connected to stabilize the current obtained more than 60 volts of power and result. The coils act as chokes and transformers at same time. Each coil has a double strand of wire, motor consumption is 100 mha. the speed is about 7000 rpm

i think there is something under the table that is causing this effect!! just another romerouk but from south america...

peace

You are right, i lean towards a faraday-motor-similar functionality.
Well the guy is pretty open with this, posting videos etc.
Also as someone posted, he is gonna explain the principle.
With the device being as minimal in component count as it can get,
many guys should be able to replicate it.
If no-one can replicate it, then i will tend to agree with you.
And besides, it might be a new drive principle, but if that is of any benefit as in excess energy still has to be looked at...

[TanTric]

hi guys

xeno, the diodes are not for switching or pulse... but only to rectify the output of the secondary windings... as he explained:

english translation from his video:

turning on the coils induces an alternating current in the secondary winding of each coil carrying alternating current to the diodes that rectify the pulsating direct current, a condenser is connected to stabilize the current obtained more than 60 volts of power and result. The coils act as chokes and transformers at same time. Each coil has a double strand of wire, motor consumption is 100 mha. the speed is about 7000 rpm

i think there is something under the table that is causing this effect!! just another romerouk but from south america...

peace

Hey Lidmotor.
I think the switching is done with the diodes controlled by the cap voltage of the electrolytic (~2200 uF) cap.
At first look i found it unusual that he used 2 parallel diodes, since one does not expect that high currents off such tiny generator coils.
My guess is that it's (a combination of normal or zener diodes and) TVS diodes with a 68 Volt Threshold.