Muller generator replication by Romerouk

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, I'm still putting something together as a testbed to test with this effect again.
I was thinking, as another pointed out to me one time in regards to an ecklin type generator, that if we use a large enough mass and/or a large diameter rotor to store as much of the magnets natural kinetic attraction to ferromagnetic material, this then should come much closer to a 50/50 balance at higher speeds, I guess as long as the cores don't have massive eddy drag to begin with.
If needed, it could have a separate mechanism to get the rotor mass up to the proper speed then a lower power motor could take over.
For example, if we used a feather weight rotor, it would stop rather quickly as it cannot store all the kinetic energy of attraction and would appear to cog greatly.
Does this make sense to anyone, I mean using these neo magnets, the attraction to the core is fairly quick and reminds me of the need for a large capacity capacitor to capture this abrupt attraction, which is where the rotor mass and/or diameter comes into play.
Let me know what you folks think of this.
peace love light
tyson

edit: let me try to use numbers to express my thought here.
A rotor has a couple neo magnets on it, as it approaches a core, the neo magnet has the kinetic potential to store 10 units of motion, though since our rotor can only store in such a brief moment in time, say 5 units, it will now depart the core and will slow down because on departure, it did not store enough units of motion to remove itself from the core without slowing down some.
So it will slow down 5 units of motion, since the magnets have a 10 unit potential. Ignoring eddy drag in this example of course. Hope that helps.

[toranarod]

Thanks toranarod, I guess that clears that up. So there is something else
happening than just an electromagnet being formed. This whole coil shorting
thing has been discussed on other threads. I think Whoopy had another good
video on coil shorting before. It sure is an amazing phenomena.

FRC

for there to be a speed increase there needs to be an imbalance in the magnetic field. of some kind in the direction of rotation.

[FRC]

Thanks toranarod

I tried it.
A permanent magnet just creates a bit of drag no speed increase. well for me anyway.

Thanks toranarod, I guess that clears that up. So there is something else
happening than just an electromagnet being formed. This whole coil shorting
thing has been discussed on other threads. I think Whoopy had another good
video on coil shorting before. It sure is an amazing phenomena.

FRC

[toranarod]

Am I wrong, or is the coil shorting in quantumuppercut's video just forming an
electromagnet and this is what is causing the RPM's to speed up by attraction or repulsion to the rotor ? Has this been tried with just a permanent magnet in
place of the coil. As I said I might be all wrong. Can anyone clear this up ?

FRC

I tried it.
A permanent magnet just creates a bit of drag no speed increase. well for me anyway.

[toranarod]

Toranarod
Sir If I may ask,you have a Big pile of Mu Metal?
Others are exploring this "effect" from a Transformer [Thane] perspective.

Your material {mu metal } is perfect for making trans Chassis.

Can you Divulge a source?

Thank You
Chet

just check on ebay as the link below suggest. I cannot find the suppler.
I purchased my Mu Metal about 4 years ago. All I am doing is cutting it into strips and compressing it together in epoxy resin to form a laminated block that will exactly replace my iron core. If we are to get some good comparison figures between iron and Mu metal the cores need to be identical in mass.

[FRC]

Am I wrong, or is the coil shorting in quantumuppercut's video just forming an
electromagnet and this is what is causing the RPM's to speed up by attraction or repulsion to the rotor ? Has this been tried with just a permanent magnet in
place of the coil. As I said I might be all wrong. Can anyone clear this up ?

FRC

[Shadesz]

Coil Shorting Tube tests

OK guys here is some food for thought. I totally want people to do this on their own and check my results. I may be off so a simple replication test or three would be great!

Knowing that you can drop a magnet through a copper pipe and it slows down, I decided to try it through a vinyl tube with a copper wire coil around it and see if shorting made any difference.

The coil was some old speaker wire I had around. 1 layer winding. it came to about 14" long. The tube has a 5/8" ID. The magnet is a 1/2" diameter by 1/2" length neo.

Measured by filming each drop and counting the frames between lines. (lines were 1" past the start and end of the coil)

Interesting results. Note: These only differ by one to two frames, BUT each test with the same circumstances brought the same results.

The simple results

Seems that doing a shorted coil drop test you still get acceleration on the magnet? But only if the magnet is up to a certain speed already?? (doesn't rod have to get his system up to speed before introducing the coils?) Interesting stuff... Please feel free to test this out on your own and post to confirm or disprove my results..

Note: I originally did the test without a "no coil" control. I went back to do the no coil testing and did not oil the tube like I did in the previous tests. This may explain why the no coil 1" drop took longer? Not sure.

[elias]

This is just too impressive to miss.

speeding in shorted coil - YouTube

Yes, this it true. I was seeing all of these results about 6 months ago, but what I think that he should also demonstrate, is the coil-less rpm of the rotor, like Rodney, did, which will "prove" that there is energy inserted to the system, by a shorted coil.

Very good to see people are waking up to this simple idea!! Very happy.

[gyula]

Did anyone pay attention to the bit in the video where he says that using an all metal coil former worked better than plastic? Might have something to do with why Romero used metal washers above and below his coils.

While it would be good to know if the coil bobbin (the metal former) is made of a magnetic or non magnetic metal, the effect of eddy currents induced in the side of the metal bobbin should also be considered. This effect is not present in the case of the plastic former of course.

Even If he used the same number of turns for both the plastic and the metal former coils, the two tapes of coils self inductance was not the same because if the metal was ,say, from aluminum for instance, then this coil had a few percent less self inductance than the plastic core coil. Maybe this is not a significant difference, nevertheless it is good to know about it and better to measure them.

[elias]

I am excited ...

[pmazz850]

mu metal...

mu metal | eBay

[Zooty]

Did anyone pay attention to the bit in the video where he says that using an all metal coil former worked better than plastic? Might have something to do with why Romero used metal washers above and below his coils.

[quantumuppercut]

This is just too impressive to miss.

speeding in shorted coil - YouTube

Still many things to consider but the question of why the lamp cause speed up and slow down when gets hot can be explain with variable resistance due to heat.

Electrical resistance and conductance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
" Near room temperature, the electric resistance of a typical metal increases linearly with rising temperature..." -Wiki

[RAMSET]

Where did you get all that??

Toranarod
Sir If I may ask,you have a Big pile of Mu Metal?
Others are exploring this "effect" from a Transformer [Thane] perspective.

Your material {mu metal } is perfect for making trans Chassis.

Can you Divulge a source?

Thank You
Chet

[toranarod]

This is just too impressive to miss.

speeding in shorted coil - YouTube

good video

I can see just What he needs to do. This is very cool.
seeing the Vid makes me even more confident. We are going to get this