Bedini Earth Light

[John_Bedini]

backwards BJT

NickZ,
Lidmotor made the circuit and also did not get the same results. He did tell everybody how to make them(the Diodes). And that is easy to do if the oscillator has enough BEMF high voltage. For example what if the oscillator developed 200 volts how many could you light in series. I did not count 70 led's on that board. But I have seen an SG Motor light 150 leds and I did count them. The current was 100 Ma on the motor at 12 volts. Kooler was using 1.2 volts and it is possible to light them if the voltage is high, that means the spike was over 200 volts. But I will see as I do the next transformer.
John B

[NickZ]

John B:
Thanks for keeping this circuit going. I also feel that the inductor is a mayor part of the feed-back to source on this circuit, but to be honest I never did try the "special diodes" that he mentioned to me.
Even if Kooler's meter was off, the 5 month running of two BwJt oscillators, should be proof enough that there is something to this circuit. Would be nice to see some other guys replicate it and get similar results.
Also the video where he light 70 leds on 27mAs or less, is pretty impressive.

This was the video that got me going on this. 5 and 1/2 months running 3 leds, on a button cell.
hartley oscillator update.MOV - YouTube

[chuck H]

Charging a crystal cell with a crystal cell

Hello everyone
I am starting to think what I have made is some kind of oddball galvanic cell.
While it does look like I might be getting some slight crystal growth, it is no where near other cells I have seen. Also, the performance of my cell was decreasing as time went on. Each time I added water, the cell popped right back up to full strength, but each run time got shorter in between waterings.
I am wondering if I am burning more than water, and actually losing some cell ingredients along the way.

Having said all that, I did a rather random test last night, and got some pretty wild results...
I noticed the cell output seemed to run better when I opened the current flow on the oscillator all the way up. This made me wonder if the cell didn't want to run slightly larger circuits. I started putting it on different things, joule thief with 3 LEDs, joule ringer with a 7 color LED and a secondary winding connected to a regular LED, things like that, and I got some minimal results, but nothing to get excited over.
Then on a whim, I hooked it up to a small 12VDC motor from radio shack.
obviously I got no spin, but it did put out over 2mA current into the motor, which I liked. I spun the motor's drive shaft by hand, and saw a voltage spike on the meter (no surprise there), and the amp draw on the other meter dropped to negative. Then I spun the shaft in counter rotation, and saw the voltage drop negative and the current spiked up (again, not revolutionary, but fun to watch) when I stopped spinning the rotor by hand backwards, I did notice the current meter went up, way up...
So out of curiosity, I hooked the motor shaft up to my dremmel tool, and turned the dremmel tool on, with the RPM turned all the way down. this turns the DC motor backwards, and I just let it run for a few seconds.
depending on what polarity I hook the cell to the DC motor, I can get the motor to put over 250mA into my cell, and the voltage would read 3V+
Doing this test has charged my cell, and quite well. At peak, I can get the cell to sit at 4-5mA shorted on a meter, and it will also easily sit at over 1V, which is a high for this cell.
The power fades pretty fast initially, but here is the surprising part, now the cell performs much better on the oscillator I am using. The thing is sitting bone dry right now, and making the same power it usually makes with a fresh bit of water in it
the voltage and current will rise and fall slowly, but it just stays within a certain range now, and doesn't keep dying on me, as it did before...
To me, this indicates a galvanic cell that has been charged by pulsing DC. I am not sure if anyone else has tried to charge one of their own cells before, or if you can charge a crystal cell, but I don't recall seeing anyone try it.
This little cell continues to confuse the hell out of me, and I am hoping in light of this recent update, someone might be able to confirm wether or not this is galvanic, or something else
I have to leave for work, but I will try some other things when I have the time.

In light of todays discussion on this thread, I will likely stop making updates unless I can confirm that what I am doing fits the nature of this thread. I do not want to hinder the good work being done by confusing the issue more with my cell, which really isn't being built with the same recipe as John's crystal cells. Unless I am sure that I have made a type of crystal cell, or someone requests an update, I will likely keep working myself, and only update when I feel what I am doing matches the groups stated purpose

I will continue to work at this, and will keep following along, as there is incredible work being done here, and I would really like to be a part of the solution.

I just wanted to post this, so someone who knows more than me what makes a galvanic cell, and what doesn't could possibly confirm if what I have is indeed galvanic, as I now expect
thanks guys, and keep up the amazing work!

N8

Neight, here is a video I posted awhile back...

Crystal battery charging crystal battery - YouTube

chuck H

[John_Bedini]

I did not give up on that circuit

NickZ,
I did not give up on that circuit, I'm winding some of the transformers to test another one. I want to try an open air coil and see how he got Micro Amps, if the meter was tricking him with the RF. I wont use a digital meter on this circuit only an analog meter. Digital meters are great for stationary voltages but not pulses. I guess I should go into Inductors next.
John B

[John_Bedini]

I'm not even going to bother to answer this

Ibpointless2,
I'm not even going to bother to answer this as I think you have missed the whole point that I'm making to you. I'm not saying anything to you about using the rock, just make some power with it, form it into grids or something but at least get 5 to 30 Ma out of it. No one is calling you a fool here for thinking things. Your Ideas are fine but do something with it, run something with it. Iron is quite capable of generating power with Nickel and it works, who cares if it's small, do it. Make a cell out of it. I'm not the one that had the bad day, but I'm blamed for picking on you in the other groups. Take over it's all yours. I can go find things to do. I must go back to work.
John B

[NickZ]

MK1:
Thank you, for posting that article concerning the battery transformer idea. It rings like truth... It has been years since that idea was explained, has anyone tried it, yet?
For those that may have overlooked it, please read it...

[Neight]

Hello everyone
I am starting to think what I have made is some kind of oddball galvanic cell.
While it does look like I might be getting some slight crystal growth, it is no where near other cells I have seen. Also, the performance of my cell was decreasing as time went on. Each time I added water, the cell popped right back up to full strength, but each run time got shorter in between waterings.
I am wondering if I am burning more than water, and actually losing some cell ingredients along the way.

Having said all that, I did a rather random test last night, and got some pretty wild results...
I noticed the cell output seemed to run better when I opened the current flow on the oscillator all the way up. This made me wonder if the cell didn't want to run slightly larger circuits. I started putting it on different things, joule thief with 3 LEDs, joule ringer with a 7 color LED and a secondary winding connected to a regular LED, things like that, and I got some minimal results, but nothing to get excited over.
Then on a whim, I hooked it up to a small 12VDC motor from radio shack.
obviously I got no spin, but it did put out over 2mA current into the motor, which I liked. I spun the motor's drive shaft by hand, and saw a voltage spike on the meter (no surprise there), and the amp draw on the other meter dropped to negative. Then I spun the shaft in counter rotation, and saw the voltage drop negative and the current spiked up (again, not revolutionary, but fun to watch) when I stopped spinning the rotor by hand backwards, I did notice the current meter went up, way up...
So out of curiosity, I hooked the motor shaft up to my dremmel tool, and turned the dremmel tool on, with the RPM turned all the way down. this turns the DC motor backwards, and I just let it run for a few seconds.
depending on what polarity I hook the cell to the DC motor, I can get the motor to put over 250mA into my cell, and the voltage would read 3V+
Doing this test has charged my cell, and quite well. At peak, I can get the cell to sit at 4-5mA shorted on a meter, and it will also easily sit at over 1V, which is a high for this cell.
The power fades pretty fast initially, but here is the surprising part, now the cell performs much better on the oscillator I am using. The thing is sitting bone dry right now, and making the same power it usually makes with a fresh bit of water in it
the voltage and current will rise and fall slowly, but it just stays within a certain range now, and doesn't keep dying on me, as it did before...
To me, this indicates a galvanic cell that has been charged by pulsing DC. I am not sure if anyone else has tried to charge one of their own cells before, or if you can charge a crystal cell, but I don't recall seeing anyone try it.
This little cell continues to confuse the hell out of me, and I am hoping in light of this recent update, someone might be able to confirm wether or not this is galvanic, or something else
I have to leave for work, but I will try some other things when I have the time.

In light of todays discussion on this thread, I will likely stop making updates unless I can confirm that what I am doing fits the nature of this thread. I do not want to hinder the good work being done by confusing the issue more with my cell, which really isn't being built with the same recipe as John's crystal cells. Unless I am sure that I have made a type of crystal cell, or someone requests an update, I will likely keep working myself, and only update when I feel what I am doing matches the groups stated purpose

I will continue to work at this, and will keep following along, as there is incredible work being done here, and I would really like to be a part of the solution.

I just wanted to post this, so someone who knows more than me what makes a galvanic cell, and what doesn't could possibly confirm if what I have is indeed galvanic, as I now expect
thanks guys, and keep up the amazing work!

N8

[NickZ]

John and All:
I have not been able to do much with my dry cells, as they have voltage but no current, and looks like for now, that we still need current. Or do we?
I also want to light my house, not just play around with what does not work.
BTW: BwJt circuits are still lighting my toilet paper roll, in my bathroom each night, as well as the living room, bedroom, and kitchen. Even the cement cell banks are still contributing their share of light, and probably will still be working, when I'm gone. Little power is better than no power at all.

I liked the idea of "magnetic electricity" such as Tesla had shown in the picture of him holding that big round light bulb, especially since that type of power source won't kill you, and may even help to heal you, instead.
That kind of electricity is what I would really like to get into working with. Negative resistance, cold electricity, magnetic currents, etz...
The Coral Castle video your friend did was good to see, but we still have no idea on how that works, I mean how he lit his house with it.
There is something different about the horseshoe magnet wheel. The way that I see it, is that it creates a polarization in the surrounding medium, that draws energy into the device, by possibly creating a special type of magnetic vortex, which further creates some sort of sink.
John and All, I'd love to hear your thoughts, and I even love to argue and discuss things with you all, as it keeps us all on our toes.
And maybe sometimes, two heads are better that one...
NickZ

[ibpointless2]

[ibpointless2]

Confirmed, just replicated the test with water, using hematite and Mg, 2 volts, very low current (0.7Ma), but still think its a good find, thanks IB!

Thank you for taking the time to test this!

[Aaron]

stay focused!

If we want to amuse ourselves with lcd clocks, we can just get the potato clock that children have been building for many decades.

Amazon.com: The Amazing Two Potato Clock: Toys & Games



Getting real current is possible by what John is explaining. I've seen
it at his shop running strings of lights off his method and then some - that
isn't going to happen with peanut butter and jelly or children's school
supplies.

John is here sharing freely not asking anyone for a single penny and it
is totally disrespectful for anyone to even have an opinion about how
he or anyone else conducts their own business to make a living. I see the
posts here and in other groups where cynical desk jockeys with low self
esteem ridicule those that are in a better place. Fearful ignorance is
always trying to drag others down to their level so they feel good about
themselves.

And the shotgun approach does nothing useful. We might as well put on
a blindfold and raid the fridge in hopes of powering our homes with a
battery made out of milk and eggs. There won't be any light but at least
if you're hungry, you'll have a midnight snack sitting in the dark.

[John_Bedini]

welcome to 2012

I don't always get the 2 volts, it takes some time of poking around on the rock to find the 2 volts. But no matter what I can always get 1.8 volts easy. Sometimes its easier to 1.8 or 1.9 volts but every few times I can get over 2 volts. The highest I ever got was 2.08 volts and I have video of it, I'll try to post it.
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Would you not be better off building and Edison Cell since that is what is going to be in a crude way.
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The current is correct and Yes I have seen more. I have seen up to 2 to 3mA using Hematite and Magnesium ribbon in tap water. I'm sure I could get even more if I used bigger magnesium and cut up the hematite into flat pieces. The current is a like the voltage, some spots of the rock give more and other rocks can give more or even less.
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Yes I would expect that tap water would give you that as it contains chlorine. Have you tried distilled ionized water.
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The circuit you posted is the Solar Light circuit posted early on that started this group called Earth Lights, not much different.
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The Capacitor receives it's charge from the Cell so it's potential is at the cells voltage so it's basically stationary to the cell. but the cells output can not keep up with the circuits requirements into another capacitor. The discharging Capacitor is calculated in Joules output to the circuit load.

The Energy stored in a capacitor can be expressed as,

W= 1/2 C V squared
Where
W= energy stored (Joules)
C= capacitance (Farad)
V= potential difference ( Voltage)

Power generated
P=W/t
Where
P= potential power (Watts)
t = dissipation time (s)

Example, as I know that your not going to be at 230 volts like the SG oscillator.

The Sg oscillator charges a 10 Uf capacitor to 230 volts V can be calculated as follows if the oscillator can keep up the charge to the cap.

W= t/2 (10 10-6F) (230v) squared
= 0.26 Joules

If I discharge the capacitor into the proper load in 5us I can say
P= (0.26 Joules) / (5 10-6 s )

= 52000 W

= 52 Kw

This is what I'm working on with the Cells, this is my goal and this is where I need to be with charging storage batteries.
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Ibpointless2 I'm not down grading you here as others have said in other groups. But I see no point in any of this unless you can develop power with your cells, yes small at first but that is how we learn and grow in knowledge.

Running an LCD clock is not turning the lights on in your house, and bouncing the charge between capacitors the formula says what your going to get if the load is correct.

In answer to a question, Yes the military does have working water cells they use all the time and no it's not Sulphuric Acid batteries. I may post sometime on Salt Water batteries that I worked with and that could very well be the answer for a piece of Aluminum to charge big batteries.

I'm not fixed to one type of cell or the arrangement of it. All during the 1970's to the first SG group I thought I was helping the world sharing information as I gave it away for free. I have had every Arm Chair Scientist on me saying it could not be done and I was a fraud.

What I found out was it did not pay the bills as they mounted up and they wont pay yours either Ibpointlass2. So if the experiment must continue I must make revenue as nothing is free in this world, ask Tesla that question, then look at Edison tell me who won the game.

Never mind about running some Joule Thief in the crapper to see where the paper is on one Led as that is not going to run your house either. Watch the price of gold go up and your gas bill until you just have your digital clock left. I can't waste anymore time on what is known. I want some real cell that gives power, so I'm back to work, I might post and then again I might not say anything, welcome to 2012.
John B

[cgalvisardila]

Hematite

Confirmed, just replicated the test with water, using hematite and Mg, 2 volts, very low current (0.7Ma), but still think its a good find, thanks IB!

[ibpointless2]

Ibpointless2 I have a few questions.
Is this the correct voltage of the Cell 2 volts each time you put the ore in the water?
Is the current as you say in the video, and can you get more?

The circuit you have put up needs at least 10 to 20 Ma to run and have you tested that with a 1.2 volt battery?

Your going to call that a component why since it is a cell or a battery small but it is.
John

I don't always get the 2 volts, it takes some time of poking around on the rock to find the 2 volts. But no matter what I can always get 1.8 volts easy. Sometimes its easier to 1.8 or 1.9 volts but every few times I can get over 2 volts. The highest I ever got was 2.08 volts and I have video of it, I'll try to post it.

The current is correct and Yes I have seen more. I have seen up to 2 to 3mA using Hematite and Magnesium ribbon in tap water. I'm sure I could get even more if I used bigger magnesium and cut up the hematite into flat pieces. The current is a like the voltage, some spots of the rock give more and other rocks can give more or even less.

The circuit I posted is just a rough idea of what I'm thinking about. A capacitor powers a pulse circuit that powers a LED and charges another capacitor. The other capacitor is being charged by the first and also is getting a extra charge from the crystal cell. The crystal cell restores the power losses that the circuit has so that the charging capacitor has the same or even more power than the first capacitor. I'm not the best with circuits, so if you know a better way than I'm all ears.

The cell can be both, a component or a battery. The cell like my crystal glue cell don't have much current but they have the voltage and voltage is all you need to charge a capacitor so It seems that the crystal glue cell would be better as a component. I'm just trying to get the low amp crystal cells out of this little rut of not having enough amps to powering anything besides a LCD clock. So I figure I could bounce the charge of one capacitor between another and have the crystal cell pick up the slack.

[mk1]

Hi guys i have some info on a 5 layer battery , i am mentioning this because someone said something about bismuth electrode.