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[mikrovolt]

Sitting through a lecture on phase relationships and plotting vectors is like looking at the hour hand of a clock if it points to 10 o'clock or 3 'clock
is important in an oscillator if you want to take advantage of negative resistance.

I believe exploring this further, by developing an experiment along with a
little study more people could become aware of how this is being used.
Understanding the crystal cell and the circuit will take time and more experiments as lidmotor says.

On the subject of John and Chucks now working cell that uses (MgSo4) If we make a solution of epsom salt does it react with magnesium.
It is now MgSo4 solution and not water.

If you google this:

What is the product of Mg and MgSo4
see wiki.answers.com

[jehdds]

Guys,
Here is the encapsulation of the crystal cell and clip of extreme test and the outcome. Getting closer.....
Dual Toroid Project and Frozen Crystal Cell Update - YouTube
Very Best Regards,
Jim

[John_Bedini]

the results

@ Lidmotor and NickZ
Ok if you guys tried this and it did not give the results. Just wanted to bring it up. as a negative device that may help. Well my report is the best working cells are the cylinder type so far least amount of water, almost none. They work in any condition. Sending Monday Lidmotor. Too bad about the garden lights but that is what people do or you could say the dark side. They always steal mine from the front yard. Methanol also works, and I read somewhere alcohol works and so does booze of all kinds it might be the water in it.
So are you guys saying that the circuit did not perform to light the Led's bright enough, or that it just does not work as claimed. NickZ explain more please on this device. Well Lidmotor I guess you have your hands full at this time.

John B

[jehdds]

@John

PS---That Acetone cell is still going and I have it running a Hankscraft motor now. That was an interesting experiment. I will pull the cell apart in a few days and look at the Mg to see how much got eaten. I have never heard of a galvanic effect without water----but I think that I have just seen one.

Lidmotor/All

You should be able to see galvanic action even without water if the electrolyte is there and the correct proximity of the dissimilar metals. The question remains to be seen if there is any reduction or retarding of this effect sans water. Combining techniques even with graphene in the future may very well make the deterioration be a very delayed or minimal issue. At least trying to make headway to circumvent problems cannot be faulted, especially if we are not electrochemists vocationally. Every failure is a successful non repetitive study. We can only try to minimally not go in circles.
Very Best Regards,
Jim

[Lidmotor]

The "8x overunity" project

@John
I followed the Dr. Jones project last spring like most people did and made the circuit. I did not see the results that he claimed.

Robbie's "backwards joule thief" circuit is basically the same thing and I have made some of his also. He has one story about his creations that was very revealing about this whole quest that we are on. It seems that he made really good bright garden lights using his circuits and put them out in his front yard. People saw them and wanted to buy them but he declined. So what happened was one morning he walked out in his front yard and they were all gone. People just stole them. It was a sad example of the dark side of humanity.

Lidmotor

PS---That Acetone cell is still going and I have it running a Hankscraft motor now. That was an interesting experiment. I will pull the cell apart in a few days and look at the Mg to see how much got eaten. I have never heard of a galvanic effect without water----but I think that I have just seen one.

The solar cells that I am using are the amorphous type that work on low level light. My idea of using them with the crystal cells probably isn't going to work out. I am not seeing the charging effect that I hoped for. It's the "apples and oranges" analogy. Two different things going on.

[NickZ]

@ John B and All:
Thanks for your comments, nice to be able to disagree and still be friends, as I am with everyone else here. Let's work together, always.

I am not partial to any method or type of cells. What ever ideas, devices, or types of cells that work well, are of value. Which is the reason that I mentioned Koolers circuit, as he has had with his circuits some very interesting results. What failed were the standard non rechargeable batteries that he used in his tests, as the hydrogen produced by the circuits eventually caused the batteries that are not made to be recharged, to leak, but this happened after 5 and a half months of constant bright light output.
Using rechargeable batteries would avoid that problem.
Some of these blocking oscillators are also tranmitters/receivers as we now see. Which can possibly help to feed back additional energy drawn from the ambient to add to or replace the energy given off or created by the batteries or cells. The reason that I bring it up the Hartley circuit, was to mention about the feed-back potential of some oscillators when working in conjunction with these cells, as I have worked with these circuits for a while.

I also have a problem with using solar cells, as my house is under and surrounded by huge tropical jungle trees. Although something can be done, solar is not a real cost effective solution, in my case, due to the shade from these trees. The reason I bring it up solar, is because of the similarities in taking advantage of the semiconductor idea that you've come up with, as being somewhat similar to how solar cells work. And therefore the possibility of having an increase in output levels from the cells, compared to just the conventional electronegative ratings of the two different metals, or carbon.

I'm now testing Plengo's idea of using carbon/sand, even without the silicate, as I can't find it here yet, but I'm looking for it. I'm also still just using pulverized beach wood carbon until I can get the aquarium charcoal. And now I'm also trying the unwashed fresh wet beach sand, along with the carbon, both placed inside capacitor cans. Just to see what happens.

John, the reason I don't follow your procedures to the tee, is only because I'm limited in what I can get here. But, not one your ideas has been been overlooked, or undervalued.


NickZ

[cgalvisardila]

John, i hope youre not serious about you thinking youre wasting your time here, we all apreciate your support...

Im still lloking for the hydrate #5, alfa aesar does not ship to residential adresses, please, i really want to build the hydrate cell.

[John_Bedini]

The waveforms indicate something much different.

NickZ,
I do not think I agree with that as it's really not anything like a Hartley oscillator. The waveforms indicate something much different. I would expect not to charge a alkaline battery as the two forms of energy are much different. something I have said all along. You must convert the energy into something that the battery can use. Sticking a capacitor on the input will not work.

What I see is a negative resistance oscillator. but here is a link on oscillators, do you see anything close?. Google Image Result for http://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/oscillator/osc8.gif

The Hydrate cell may act a little different on this circuit as Chuck and I have seen. Semiconductors can do this but only a few show this effect.
I have not had the problem that you talk about here. If you scope the circuit and the tuning is right the effect is there. I'm not a big fan of closed looped circuits with a Toroidal Cores as I did not use that. I can see that you may have duplicated that but the turns ratio do not look the same did you change them for some reason?. Joe Newman charges alkaline batteries all the time and they do not leak.

I just point this out because Lidmotor wanted to use solar cells, and you want to use solar cells, I have not made your battery but I guess I should just to find out what you did. Chuck and I have been charging NiCad batteries with crystal cells with no water. I think he even posted that for others to try, but it's not a Joule Thief oscillator. I have cells here running without adding any water and running oscillators for almost 8 months now, no battery is going to do that.

The Marcus Reid cells keep running also. Yes small power but that is where you start by understanding the effect and the materials. No one ever said this was going to be easy and you would just pop something out to run your house. I have Solar panels 205 watts X10 but the weather does not make it practical to use them here.The best cells seem to be Hydrate done in copper cylinders, that is why I said to Ibpointless2 look with different eyes. My next step is to charge Lead acid batteries with these oscillators. The best oscillator is a cable oscillator but I have not posted that yet as .9 volts gives 6 volts out. It could be I'm just wasting my time here. Maybe I will start my own board somewhere on crystal cells.
John B

[cgalvisardila]

the acetone cell looks amazing, but honestly i think crystals and water are still better... think of a case scenario where internet is shut down, stores close down, power goes down.... where would you get the acetone to fuel the cells? water falls from the sky, and crystals and silicates are all over the land for us to dig out.

thanks john and nickz for the post on the circuits, these oscilators are great stuff... i would like to know more about electrical engineering, i really want to build these circuits, if anyone can give me a hint on where to look or what book to get i'd apriciate it very much. i think we all need to get REAL serious about this and look to step up the power, because soon there might be a long term shut down of the grid and this means transportation will shut down, hence food, and all the domino effect that losing power brings, just look at the news on the sun's activity and the earth's changes in the magnetic field, we really need to have a home made, nature reliant, independent from the grid power source SOON look at this:
NASA Hiding Approaching Doomsday Space Event? | Real News Reporter

even if nothing happens we deserve to be free from this abusive grid, from this abusive system that poisons our water, our food, and our energy and keeps the free energy technology behind closed doors, just for the sake of big business.

John again thanks for sharing your knowledge.

[NickZ]

Lasersaber has also replicated Dr. Jones type circuit about a year ago, drawing very low current, but I don't really see a bright led, on that video.

This is some of Lasersaber's newest circuits, also drawing low power off of crystal cells:
lasersaber's Channel - YouTube

[NickZ]

The circuit above uses a modified Hartley oscillator. I have also built many of them, mostly replications of Koolers ideas. He had a couple of those simple circuits running on one AA battery, or even a 1.5 volt button cell for 5 months. He figured that this circuit feeds back to the battery, as both his best long running Hartleys circuits eventually made the non-rechargable batteries leak, but after 5 months of constant running 3 very bright (not barely lit) leds.
Although I replicated his ideas, I was not able to get anywhere close to his results. The second picture is of my Hartley circuit running on a carbon/quarts cell that I made using an AA battery as the negative electrode outer shell.

Koolers strongest circuit:
hartley oscillator - YouTube

[John_Bedini]

I do not think you need that solar cell

@ Lidmotor,
This is right up your alley, forget the Acetone. Go to this link and look and read,Dr. Steven E. Jones' circuit gives evidence for 8x overunity I do not think you need that solar cell, Follow the links. The funny thing is that they do not know what negative resistance is in devices. But I have seen this in semiconductors. This would be a good way to bounce the ions back and fourth. If you make the cell look like it was never used then you can not have any Galvanic action at a 1 to 2% level, one way to do that is no current is ever used but the lights are on. If the transistor used, 2N2222.
This transistor can and does go negative. Do not get discouraged when you see the Monkey now known as Dumped points out the circuit is mis connected and it can't work that way but it is right and they all work that way. Circuit sj1. Terse and Technical only.
This is something you have been trying to do and you can. This goes allot further as they are now testing SG circuits. They call this a boost resonator but this is much more, the tunneling effect, this can also happen with Oxides. I know you would be interested in this.
John B

[jehdds]

It works much like vinegar and rubbing alcohol would work. Acetone is a polar liquid just like water is. a non-polar liquid would be oil, so a polar liquid allows for electricity while a non-polar does not. Will it corrode? Probably, but as long as it doesn't corrode into magnesium-oxide then it should keep outputting power for a long time. The acetone was a great idea driveflyfish and 72fr250! This is just my opinion on how it works, I could be wrong.

I believe the following is applicable here:
Polarizability - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
and Bond dipole moment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Electric dipole moment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The dipole moment for water is 1.85, for Acetone it is 2.89.
The POLARIZABILITY for water is 1.19 A, for Acetone is 6.4
Molecular Radius for water is .193 and for Acetone .308.
Surface charge etc.
Looks like its formula and Maxwell time to break out the texts....
Very Best Regards,
Jim

[ibpointless2]

@Jim
Well after seeing your video and the one by 72fr250---I had to make an "Acetone Battery" and it worked.

Mine is simply composed of is a strip of magnesium, a piece of copper wire, and acetone. I put the electrodes between two small pieces of note paper, stapled them together, poured some acetone on it, and it runs "Penny". I put the little cell in a plastic zip lock bag and ran it for a few hours before I made this video. It is pretty amazing. It is about 1.2 volts with just a few micro amps but it is truely is something that I have not seen before. I just wonder how it works?


Acetone Battery running PENNY - YouTube

Lidmotor

It works much like vinegar and rubbing alcohol would work. Acetone is a polar liquid just like water is. a non-polar liquid would be oil, so a polar liquid allows for electricity while a non-polar does not. Will it corrode? Probably, but as long as it doesn't corrode into magnesium-oxide then it should keep outputting power for a long time. The acetone was a great idea driveflyfish and 72fr250! This is just my opinion on how it works, I could be wrong.

[Lidmotor]

Acetone Battery---running "Penny"

Guys,
All this talk of Mercury, H2SO4, lab injuries etc. made me think of Organic Chemistry class a Long time ago.
So, as a means to again show those out there who think what is occurring is only due to galvanic action, please check out my latest experiment. I did this to see if one could remove all lattice water with desiccant and combination of drying agents. I found that we may not need water specifically. Maybe the lattice need some POLAR fluid only. Will crystalline lattice hold more than water, yes it appears it can. Now, will galvanic action still take place if ALL water is removed? perhaps?, but will it be much slower.......John, thoughts?
I am NOT advocating wet cells as a substitution for what I am seeking, namely a cell that need not be hydrated akin to the MR cell. Getting closer to be sure. Anyway, all thoughts welcome. Also, please let me know if anyone else has made the dual toroid modification to the oscillator that I show on the site based on Lasersaber's design and parts. It really is spectacular sensitive and with even a tiny blip off a cell it continues to run for like 30 seconds without being attached to power.
Very Best Regards,
Jim
Ionic Conduction via (CH3)2CO - YouTube

@Jim
Well after seeing your video and the one by 72fr250---I had to make an "Acetone Battery" and it worked.

Mine is simply composed of is a strip of magnesium, a piece of copper wire, and acetone. I put the electrodes between two small pieces of note paper, stapled them together, poured some acetone on it, and it runs "Penny". I put the little cell in a plastic zip lock bag and ran it for a few hours before I made this video. It is pretty amazing. It is about 1.2 volts with just a few micro amps but it is truely is something that I have not seen before. I just wonder how it works?


Acetone Battery running PENNY - YouTube

Lidmotor