Bedini Earth Light

[NickZ]

John B:
Very sorry to see you so upset, I think that I understand.
Which team am I on? OUR team! John,

Nick

[ibpointless2]

I have been working on theese cells for about a month, mostly replicating and catching up, so little compared to all of you, and the first thing i learned (on my own actually) is that water is the main fuel for theese type of batteries, and there's no way to get away from it, i noticed that the salts and the silicates when left exposed to the air become moist and form clumps, just sitting on their own... even in very dry air!... i've always thought this is great, h2o comes out of our pipes, it falls from the sky and we have oceans of it... its VERY abundant, unlike acids and fossil fuels... so whats the big deal? lets all try to find a way to get around the problems that using water posts and make a great water/crystal battery instead of arguing... i like fausto's attitude, trying to make a self-watering system, this is the way to think... i dont know you guys much but i do have great respect for john, i have all your videos as well and soon want to buy one of your kits to learn the radiant energy circuit, i am reading your book and tom bearden's books also are on the list... thanks for sharing and i am very glad to have a mentor of your caliber on our side working public and not behind closed doors like most. ibpointless... make your peace man! you have great talent, ive seen most of your videos and soon want to start learning from your ideas...

cheers

Hi cgalvisardila nice to meet you. I agree water is a great thing to use for a cell but the big problem with water is if its not controlled it can corrode the electrodes and corroded electrodes mean no power. Its a tough battle.

[cgalvisardila]

Fausto, i replicated your cell with the Mg rod covered in pyrite... it works fine but i noticed there was a drop in voltage compared to another cell i did with the same mix and the rod covered with paper... did you have a drop in voltage as well?

[cgalvisardila]

@John Bedini,

I feel your pain man. You are such a great researcher. Diligent worker and inventor. With plenty of patents to show your work. Sharing like NO ONE ELSE. Your DVDs are great (I have ALL OF THEM) and Bearden's too.

You talk the walk John! I am very glad you are working with us in this Crystal Cell and many, many other things.

Keep up the great work man!

Fausto.

I have been working on theese cells for about a month, mostly replicating and catching up, so little compared to all of you, and the first thing i learned (on my own actually) is that water is the main fuel for theese type of batteries, and there's no way to get away from it, i noticed that the salts and the silicates when left exposed to the air become moist and form clumps, just sitting on their own... even in very dry air!... i've always thought this is great, h2o comes out of our pipes, it falls from the sky and we have oceans of it... its VERY abundant, unlike acids and fossil fuels... so whats the big deal? lets all try to find a way to get around the problems that using water posts and make a great water/crystal battery instead of arguing... i like fausto's attitude, trying to make a self-watering system, this is the way to think... i dont know you guys much but i do have great respect for john, i have all your videos as well and soon want to buy one of your kits to learn the radiant energy circuit, i am reading your book and tom bearden's books also are on the list... thanks for sharing and i am very glad to have a mentor of your caliber on our side working public and not behind closed doors like most. ibpointless... make your peace man! you have great talent, ive seen most of your videos and soon want to start learning from your ideas...

cheers

[ibpointless2]

Sure, no problem. I'll do that now.

Thanks
V

@John Bedini I have a question but since it isn't related to this thread (it is about alum conversion) I sent you PM. I don't have other way to contact you directly. Thank you.

Thank you.

I'm hoping the water will rise due to capillary action. It also seem having the electrodes "stuck" in a sold/porous object could help to stop any corrosion, or at least i hope. Can it corrode if the metals are not allowed to fall apart? That's a great question to ponder.

[ibpointless2]

Well, Ibpointless2,
I can see now that you no nothing about the Marcus Reids cells as I have stated to you and others here that if you loose 1 to 2% of the electrode you would be dead by the time the electrode was gone. And yes you do need water to get the power. And yes you did see that little bit of corrosion as that is the reaction of the mixture when the cell is made. All these reactions stop after a time period.

If I have been asked to make kits, I do not see what it has to do with you, just filling a need for people to learn. Basically I'm tired of all the backstabbing in these groups, I have told you how I feel. First of all I do not think you understand what it really cost to make things, as you have your machine time and labor to do it and you must buy in bulk so you have a great out lay in dollars.

Just think about the chemicals and what they cost. And don't go telling people I don't need this or that as it is none of your business what I do.

I will say it again I was asked to make these kits available and I did, you could have done the same thing.

You want to say something then say it right here to me. You go around and get all the information for free from these groups like this and your tired of Me. What about Me? I have to listen about glue and honey and how good cheap magnesium is. You put up a few math equations to convince everybody that you know something about the impedance of the cells, ya you must because you have no current. I was asked to join this group where you?. And don't talk crap about Aaron not paying the fees for this board as the internet goes down all the time Pointless.

No, you put your Black Cape on, sneek over to another group to save the world and talk crap about John. What is it with you that is not understood with this type of work?. I don't use water, bull. You can't get around the water it's in the air you just think it's dry. So wear that Black Cape sneek around under a Pointless name, because you even hide that and talk crap about John, what are you afraid of somebody might know your real name.

My work has always been public and it shall stay that way, If you do not agree with what I'm doing your free to leave and go join Monkey Sea Monkey Do. You and others love to improve on work and then when it fails you blame me as if I don't know anything as you ignore everything I try to say.. I was here before you and will be hear after you, Backstabber and Crap talker you shall be known.
John B

Hey John,

Yes it was me who wrote that but I wrote it when I was angry at you and the world. I never had a problem with aaron, I do work in the computer field and seeing a server down makes me giddy.


John I really don't know what to say, really I don't. But if everyone agreed to you and everything you say and not one person ever stop you and say hay wait a minute than who is really the back stabbers? The people who suck up and go with the flow or the people who ask the tough questions? I ask the tough questions that may seem to insult you but I only do it because i care. I would expect others to ask me the tough questions too, but only if they care.

[blackchisel97]

Hey Blackchisel,

this is going to sound odd but can you add water to the bottom of the concrete cell? don't put water on top of it i was wonder if it will absorb it if the cell is placed in a very small pool of water. Kind like how a flower or a tree would get water from the ground. Thanks!

Sure, no problem. I'll do that now.

Thanks
V

@John Bedini I have a question but since it isn't related to this thread (it is about alum conversion) I sent you PM. I don't have other way to contact you directly. Thank you.

[ibpointless2]

I packed only one of my early concrete cells aka Bertha when moved and tested few days ago. She was made about the beginning of this thread. I can still run LED via oscillator (about 1.2V) but current is getting weaker after while. I didn't try using water. As far as I can see the electrodes are fine. If anyone is interested I can moist a bit and test again.

Thanks
V

Hey Blackchisel,

this is going to sound odd but can you add water to the bottom of the concrete cell? don't put water on top of it i was wonder if it will absorb it if the cell is placed in a very small pool of water. Kind like how a flower or a tree would get water from the ground. Thanks!

[John_Bedini]

Your on to a good cell

@John Bedini,

I feel your pain man. You are such a great researcher. Diligent worker and inventor. With plenty of patents to show your work. Sharing like NO ONE ELSE. Your DVDs are great (I have ALL OF THEM) and Bearden's too.

You talk the walk John! I am very glad you are working with us in this Crystal Cell and many, many other things.

Keep up the great work man!

Fausto.

Fausto,
I would have never made my work known if it was not for Tom Bearden, and a great friend to this day. And Tony C but you can only put up with so much. I will keep up the work here with you as I think your on to something. I will do the test I promised you.

@ Lidmotor, watch the movie that was posted there and you see the coil you need to get the signal out of the ground, This is all Eric has ever done but I see your plug working that way. You cant beat Eric Dollard when it comes to that work.
John

[plengo]

@John Bedini,

I feel your pain man. You are such a great researcher. Diligent worker and inventor. With plenty of patents to show your work. Sharing like NO ONE ELSE. Your DVDs are great (I have ALL OF THEM) and Bearden's too.

You talk the walk John! I am very glad you are working with us in this Crystal Cell and many, many other things.

Keep up the great work man!

Fausto.

[blackchisel97]

@all

Everyone who made the concrete cells how are they doing? Do they still give voltage? Do the electrodes look like they're wanting to fall apart? Does adding water bring back the amps? Just curious, thanks.

I packed only one of my early concrete cells aka Bertha when moved and tested few days ago. She was made about the beginning of this thread. I can still run LED via oscillator (about 1.2V) but current is getting weaker after while. I didn't try using water. As far as I can see the electrodes are fine. If anyone is interested I can moist a bit and test again.

Thanks
V

[Lidmotor]

Eric Dollard

@ Lidmotor,
Yes I remember the two circuits posted there. The famous flip flop using a number 47 bulb with a six volt lantern battery and the circuit you posted.
The one that is very intriguing that My dad made I have not found yet. It used a 1.5 volt D battery and flashed 8 neon lights. The little double inductor wound over the top of the factory made one generated about 100v to a .5uf cap and it ran for years. Dad never did say what it was for but it was built at Rocketdyne in Semi Valley about 1957. It used a germanium pnp transistor. When we moved from Simi Valley it was still running on the same D cell, then it just mysteriously disappeared one day. I never did ask any questions about it after that. Dad had some funny Transistor circuits that he and the Physicist next door put together. It would be nice to generate the hundred volts to do that with. Eric Dollard has something very Interesting in post 991 that you should look at for you Plug

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/1631-peter-whatever-happened-eric-p-dollard-34.html

He keeps showing the group but as you can see they are all wound up in the math and not getting anywhere. If they would just do what he says everything would just work fine.
John B

I have been following the Eric Dollard thread and have tried to absorb as much as I can. The math and theory doesn't make any sense to me unfortunately. I have studdied post 992 and kinda sorta understand what he is doing there.

I have seen neon blinker circuits but I can't remember if any ran on a 1.5v battery or not.


Lidmotor

[John_Bedini]

understood/ and expected from you

Well, Ibpointless2,
I can see now that you no nothing about the Marcus Reids cells as I have stated to you and others here that if you loose 1 to 2% of the electrode you would be dead by the time the electrode was gone. And yes you do need water to get the power. And yes you did see that little bit of corrosion as that is the reaction of the mixture when the cell is made. All these reactions stop after a time period.

If I have been asked to make kits, I do not see what it has to do with you, just filling a need for people to learn. Basically I'm tired of all the backstabbing in these groups, I have told you how I feel. First of all I do not think you understand what it really cost to make things, as you have your machine time and labor to do it and you must buy in bulk so you have a great out lay in dollars.

Just think about the chemicals and what they cost. And don't go telling people I don't need this or that as it is none of your business what I do.

I will say it again I was asked to make these kits available and I did, you could have done the same thing.

You want to say something then say it right here to me. You go around and get all the information for free from these groups like this and your tired of Me. What about Me? I have to listen about glue and honey and how good cheap magnesium is. You put up a few math equations to convince everybody that you know something about the impedance of the cells, ya you must because you have no current. I was asked to join this group where you?. And don't talk crap about Aaron not paying the fees for this board as the internet goes down all the time Pointless.

No, you put your Black Cape on, sneek over to another group to save the world and talk crap about John. What is it with you that is not understood with this type of work?. I don't use water, bull. You can't get around the water it's in the air you just think it's dry. So wear that Black Cape sneek around under a Pointless name, because you even hide that and talk crap about John, what are you afraid of somebody might know your real name.

My work has always been public and it shall stay that way, If you do not agree with what I'm doing your free to leave and go join Monkey Sea Monkey Do. You and others love to improve on work and then when it fails you blame me as if I don't know anything as you ignore everything I try to say.. I was here before you and will be hear after you, Backstabber and Crap talker you shall be known.
John B

[John_Bedini]

Size

@ John B:
In looking at how the D cell batteries can have 10 times more output than the AA size, when they are only 3 or 4 times bigger in size. That makes me think that cell size and geometry is still an important consideration in making our cells. Maybe they should be about the size of the D cell or bigger, if we want to see some real current, and cylindrical shaped as well. You think?

NickZ,
Yes I know that but what I want is to add water when I want to use them.
Maybe we should ask MonkeySea for the answer since he knows everything, just kidding. The geometry is important and the surface area and how the electrodes are shaped. You know that I would use carbon but that does become a galvanic cell. The black CuO does serve a purpose in the cell I'm working on.
It is really funny that all the groups pick up on what we are working on here and have bad things to say about all of us. I think MonkeySea should come and teach us how to make all this work with bleach. I never realized that he considers Aaron and me the same in his comments. Yes Sir, he should be teaching here. The truth of the matter is he does not have any answers to the crystal cell or anything that even works good .

Now back to your answer, if you remember I did a test with the Ibpointless2 cell and made the tooling for them. The truth of the matter is I did not use his mix, just in one cell. The other cells I added crushed Tourmaline and Mn2/O3 and that little cell just keep on going and it is 1/2 the size of the big one Chuck and I made. it stays at a continues 25 Ma without adding any water so yes Geometry is in the equation here. What is also important is the material used in the mixture and how much water you can lock up in the cell.

So yes Tell him to quit hiding and speak up if he knows better I for one would be glad to listen to his Poppycock about bleach and chemicals the eat the magnesium right up. The internet is vast and everything that is written down one day comes back to bit you.

Whose Team Are You On......

ibpointless202-06-2012, 07:05 AM
It seems Energetic forum is down, looks like Aaron forgot to pay his yearly domain name? Anyone else having trouble getting into energetic forum today?

The cell that Bedini makes are galvanic water batteries. They don't work unless they have water in them. He also sells these cells for $200 Crystal Water Battery

I don't even know why he even bothers with the other salt, all he needs to do is wrap the magnesium in a towel and just add some Epsom salt/water and you'll get the same effect. There's no need for the other salts he uses in his hydrate cell.

Seeing the latest video of him showing the Marcus Reid cell was very discouraging. The cell had corrosion on the bottom of it and bedini admitted that the cell used water. I'm starting to think the Reid cell is just a galvanic cell. I also know for a fact that john Hutchinson cells are also a fraud. I was looking of the data on the Hutchinson cell and it would loose voltage over time as it dried out. And the cell Hutchinson gave away on YouTube is just a joke, the cell doesn't work unless it has water in it. So far I've made 3 cells that don't need continuous water to run unlike these supposedly experts in the field of crystal cells.

I'm getting tired of bedini saying that we should not use magnesium ribbon because its not pure. The magnesium ribbon i use is 99.8% pure. The only reason why Bedini says to not use ribbon is because its thin and small and will show corrosion quicker than a slab of magnesium. Bedini also doesn't show or prove that the magnesium is not corroding all he says is that look its not black. I've done the test and watch magnesium corrode and it corrodes white not black. Bedini doesn't even weigh the magnesium to make sure its not loosing metal or anything he expects us to take his word. I've done the test where i put magnesium ribbon in water by itself with different salts, magnesium by itself will corrode because it reacts with the water. The magnesium release hydrogen and becomes magnesium oxide which is white and not black like bedini assumes.

At least I try to make cells that don't need water to run. I've got three, stove top cell, crystal glue cell, and now the pressure cell all of which don't need continuous water to get voltage. From what I've found is that you can get voltage with no water needed but to get amps you need water with salt in it. Pure distilled water won't give you much amps but once you add a salt to it you get a lot of amps. Water is only needed when you want amps, nature can supply the voltage for free.

sorry for the rant but it must be stated for future generations to see so they're not mislead
Then just say it to me right here and I told you it does not corode.
John B

[ibpointless2]

@all

Everyone who made the concrete cells how are they doing? Do they still give voltage? Do the electrodes look like they're wanting to fall apart? Does adding water bring back the amps? Just curious, thanks.