Bedini Earth Light

[NickZ]

@ John B:
In looking at how the D cell batteries can have 10 times more output than the AA size, when they are only 3 or 4 times bigger in size. That makes me think that cell size and geometry is still an important consideration in making our cells. Maybe they should be about the size of the D cell or bigger, if we want to see some real current, and cylindrical shaped as well. You think?

[NickZ]

@ Jim:
After watching your last video it made me think about what would happen if two magnets were placed on both sides of the C/Mg cells, instead of on just one side as they are curing. That way the effect is happening between the two magnetic poles.
Will those cells add up in parallel as well as in series? Like two of your bigger cells placed in parallel to obtain 80 mAs or so? Also the question now is to see how long their higher output will last, and if the addition of the depolarizer will work as planed, with no oxidation on the Mg. or contamination of the carbon.
Nick

[John_Bedini]

Circuits

@ Lidmotor,
Yes I remember the two circuits posted there. The famous flip flop using a number 47 bulb with a six volt lantern battery and the circuit you posted.
The one that is very intriguing that My dad made I have not found yet. It used a 1.5 volt D battery and flashed 8 neon lights. The little double inductor wound over the top of the factory made one generated about 100v to a .5uf cap and it ran for years. Dad never did say what it was for but it was built at Rocketdyne in Semi Valley about 1957. It used a germanium pnp transistor. When we moved from Simi Valley it was still running on the same D cell, then it just mysteriously disappeared one day. I never did ask any questions about it after that. Dad had some funny Transistor circuits that he and the Physicist next door put together. It would be nice to generate the hundred volts to do that with. Eric Dollard has something very Interesting in post 991 that you should look at for you Plug

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/1631-peter-whatever-happened-eric-p-dollard-34.html

He keeps showing the group but as you can see they are all wound up in the math and not getting anywhere. If they would just do what he says everything would just work fine.
John B

[Lidmotor]

Old circuits

@ Lidmotor,
I remember this circuit in the 60's it was used to flash incandescent bulbs #47bulbs on a 6 volt dry batteries, the city used them to mark holes and ditches in the street.
We use to take them and combine them to flash several strings of lights.
This circuit has been around for years, it has been changed to flash Led's.

But if your looking for bright lights then the current must be used.
Led's take between 1 to 20 Ma to be bright. You can't get around that so the Crystal cell must be able to produce the current. The oscillators light the led's because of the peak voltage and current of induction as the transformer is switched. This is the basics of Solar lights. But Chuck has proved another point in one of the videos by using that to charge NICAD batteries to full with an SG circuit and running the led at the same time.
Those Crystal Cells Have had no water added and keep up a constant 10 Ma now for the last three months, we keep waiting for them to die. Just adding some more Data here.
John B

John--Thanks for that bit of history. The guy that posted that circuit said in the article that the circuit was very old and that the load used to be a bulb. If you are taliking about those old "construction zone" flashing yellow lights---I have one on the boat. I used it coming home from Hawaii back in 1974 to ward off big ships at sea. I hung it up in the rigging and as it twirled around it gave off a weird out of sequence flash rate that made the big ships either change course or actually stop to see what it was. It may have saved my life. I have had some near misses with those steel giants of the deep.

My take on the LED oscillator is to flash the LED bright enough but with a short burst and at a rate of about 70 to 100hz to keep the overall power consumption down. If you don't turn the LED on all the way you can save even more power. Bottom line is that it is a trade off. More light means more power just like you say.

If you are not adding water to your cells and they are staying at 20mA then I have done something wrong with my build. My cells will not do that.

Lidmotor

[jehdds]

Guys,
Here is a New Video and Recipe. I have been running a cylinder type cell for almost 5 weeks now sans water addition with a mix that is very close to what I show in this video, but more important is how I allowed the cell to form. Using a Magnetic field to perhaps induce an intrinsic stress to the lattice or perhaps bias the hydration within the lattice itself as it forms seems to make a BIG difference in current output capacity.
All thoughts welcome, and again, to give credit where credit is due,
Thank you John Bedini for tickling our minds by showing crystals forming around a magnet, as well Thank you Ron NextGen1967 for the input to try LiClO4 in the mix. I hope you have had time to try it as well.
Crystal Stress and Mag Field - YouTube
I just uploaded it so it may take a moment or two.
Very Best Regards,
Jim

[John_Bedini]

I remember this circuit in the 60's

@ Lidmotor,
I remember this circuit in the 60's it was used to flash incandescent bulbs #47bulbs on a 6 volt dry batteries, the city used them to mark holes and ditches in the street.
We use to take them and combine them to flash several strings of lights.
This circuit has been around for years, it has been changed to flash Led's.

But if your looking for bright lights then the current must be used.
Led's take between 1 to 20 Ma to be bright. You can't get around that so the Crystal cell must be able to produce the current. The oscillators light the led's because of the peak voltage and current of induction as the transformer is switched. This is the basics of Solar lights. But Chuck has proved another point in one of the videos by using that to charge NICAD batteries to full with an SG circuit and running the led at the same time.
Those Crystal Cells Have had no water added and keep up a constant 10 Ma now for the last three months, we keep waiting for them to die. Just adding some more Data here.
John B

[plengo]

Fausto,
Again thank you for your great work.
Here is something I ran across I bet Lidmotor will find this interesting!
Iron Pyrites RF Oscillator.
Very best regards,
Jim
PS pyrite is reactive to water and has been noted to be a no no for structural aggregate constituent for structural slabs etc..... So what is negative in one use may provide a benefit for this use!
Molecular dynamics simulation of water in a contact with an iron pyrite FeS2 surface
Acid Mine Drainage, the Unseen Enemy

Step one: The pyrite oxidizes upon contact with air and water.

1) Fe+2 + 1/4 O2 + H+ --> Fe+3 +1/2 H2O

Step two: Iron oxidizes to ferric iron

2) FeS2 + 7/2 O2 + H2O --> 2SO4-2 + Fe+2 + 2H+

Step three: Precipitation occurs with ferric iron to ferric hydroxide.

3) Fe+3 + 3H2O --> Fe(OH)3 + 3H+

Step four: All combined to show a full formation of sulfuric acid

4) FeS2 + 15/4 O2 + 7/2 H2O --> 2H2SO4 + Fe(OH)3 4

thank you Jim. This info is precious.

Amazing how things are interconnected. Hopefully the water is consumed in a Way that it will not give its hidrogen to form sulfuric acid.

Im going to buy those paper ph measuring kits to see what s going on.

Fausto.

[NickZ]

Lidmotor:
I connected a volt meter to my outside ground connection, and then I take a reading between that outside ground an AC ground, and I get nothing. Yet, when I place an AV plug with an led on it, it lights up. Dimly of course, but it surprises me that the white 3. 6 volt led lights at all, with no current showing.
I'm still hoping to get these cells to work with the exciter types circuits, also. At least to see some of the effects.
Thanks for showing that it can be done, and that it needs at least 1.5v and 30 mA or higher current to work well.

NickZ

[Lidmotor]

Cells and Oscillators

New low power circuit by Lasersaber for use with crystal cells.
Cheap easy to build Joule Ringer. Runs on 2uA! - YouTube

@Nick
Look at the circuit diagram closely. Look familiar? It is not new. He has just made a variation of that very old circuit-----the blocking oscillator.
I like the simplicity of his design though. It is called a "dead bug" build because all the parts are sticking up in the air like a dead bug instead of neatly soldered in a circuit board. It is a fun way to build something.

@All
I built a different kind of low power oscillator today that I found here:


analog - Ultra low power/ simple flashing circuit - Electrical Engineering - Stack Exchange

I used the "1 cell LED driver" circuit that is in bold print about half way down the page.

It is just a simple two transistor and one inductor circuit but it works well on the crystal cell. The circuit runs as advertised.

@Jehdds
Jim I used an Avramenko plug diode arrangement on the "antenna runner" circuit.

@Plengo
I guess that I got the "self-watering" thing figured out because the cell I made (your copper cap/Mg idea) is still driving a pulse motor. I will have to make another one with the iron pyrite and depolarizer stuff.

@John & Chuck
My replication of your Hydrate cell is doing great. I just have to keep adding a little water to it every couple days to keep the power up. It will run this new Led oscillator circuit that I built today just fine.


Lidmotor

[NickZ]

New low power circuit by Lasersaber for use with crystal cells.
Cheap easy to build Joule Ringer. Runs on 2uA! - YouTube

[jehdds]

Jim, I don't think it is being corroded BUT i have not vindicated a method to empirically test that yet.

For the Mg I do have a method and it works very fast and well.

Subjectively speaking, I think the iron pyrite is not corroded at all.

Fausto.

Fausto,
Again thank you for your great work.
Here is something I ran across I bet Lidmotor will find this interesting!
Iron Pyrites RF Oscillator.
Very best regards,
Jim
PS pyrite is reactive to water and has been noted to be a no no for structural aggregate constituent for structural slabs etc..... So what is negative in one use may provide a benefit for this use!
Molecular dynamics simulation of water in a contact with an iron pyrite FeS2 surface
Acid Mine Drainage, the Unseen Enemy

Step one: The pyrite oxidizes upon contact with air and water.

1) Fe+2 + 1/4 O2 + H+ --> Fe+3 +1/2 H2O

Step two: Iron oxidizes to ferric iron

2) FeS2 + 7/2 O2 + H2O --> 2SO4-2 + Fe+2 + 2H+

Step three: Precipitation occurs with ferric iron to ferric hydroxide.

3) Fe+3 + 3H2O --> Fe(OH)3 + 3H+

Step four: All combined to show a full formation of sulfuric acid

4) FeS2 + 15/4 O2 + 7/2 H2O --> 2H2SO4 + Fe(OH)3 4

[plengo]

@ All,
@Fausto
Yes what your saying is totally correct about Iron Pyrite. it does protect the Magnesium as I have seen the same thing as you.It under examination does plate a very strange layer on the Magnesium. The more you can add the better. I just want to let you know Fausto that we have some of those cell running right now and what your saying is correct.The combination of Pyrite and Mn2/03 works very good together. I will try the carbon pole with this mix next week.
John B

Thank you John and Chuck for the try.

Fausto.

[plengo]

Fausto,
Are you seeing the Iron Pyrite being consumed or converted?
Great work on your tests. Always good to carve new paths.
Jim

Jim, I don't think it is being corroded BUT i have not vindicated a method to empirically test that yet.

For the Mg I do have a method and it works very fast and well.

Subjectively speaking, I think the iron pyrite is not corroded at all.

Fausto.

[John_Bedini]

Iron Pyrite/LM3909

@ All,
First let me address the LM3909 chip problem @b Rads. The LM 3909 charge pump oscillator, that chip requires about 70 Ma to run correctly as I have been analyzing it. It actually was designed for D cell operation. It was stated in the 70 to 80 that in some way it was magical. Let me just say it was. If you study the chip and do a little analyses you will find the reason it ran so long was it returned the unused voltage to the carbon zinc battery. I could understand why it did not run on your crystal cells as The impedance of the cell is not enough to supply the power required.
However when you build this discreet you can get this to work in the Microvolt range because we have done that. You can not unfortunately get into the chip so you can not adjust those parameters. The crystal cells have a very high impedance so the circuit that charges the capacitor must be changed to accommodate that. The switching part is a piece of cake and the gain must be chosen in-between the highs and the lowest for it to perform right. My statement is that we have one running for two days now at 2Ma and the crystal cells stay charged as it is possible to charge them backwards.

@Fausto
Yes what your saying is totally correct about Iron Pyrite. it does protect the Magnesium as I have seen the same thing as you.It under examination does plate a very strange layer on the Magnesium. The more you can add the better. I just want to let you know Fausto that we have some of those cell running right now and what your saying is correct.The combination of Pyrite and Mn2/03 works very good together. I will try the carbon pole with this mix next week.
John B

[jehdds]

One supporting evidence of my claim above is that when i add water to the test cell with the .08mm tick Mg plate, its voltage and current comes back to the same as day one.

As water is gone power goes down.

Usually, on previous similar tests, the cell lower its power output as the Mg gets corroded.

Fausto.

Fausto,
Are you seeing the Iron Pyrite being consumed or converted?
Great work on your tests. Always good to carve new paths.
Jim