Bedini Earth Light

[plengo]

Hi John B,

I'm glad you posted this. I made a video 12 months ago when you started talking about Iron Pyrite back then. Current & Voltage from Iron Pyrite - YouTube
It was interesting because when I probed around the rock when it was dry, not much happened. But when I wet the rock with just tap water I could get the energy out of it. Not much, but enough to prove that there is something going on.

Since I have a couple of pieces of it (or could cut this one in half) I'll put two pieces in a bowl of water and see what I get.


John K.

Great video.

You will need another metal to make it differentiate and give you voltage. Attached copper or carbon to the other Iron Pyrite rock.

Fausto.

[John_K]

Iron Pyrite

Fausto,
Let me give you some insight into Iron Pyrite. In 1985 two people showed up at my shop. They had with them two pieces of what looked like Iron Pyrite, For all practical purposes it was. These two individuals pulled out of their bag of tricks a small little motor. They said to me just put the pieces of Iron Pyrite in this little dish of water and hook up the motor, so I did.
The motor began to spin and stayed spinning until the water was gone. The next day they returned and asked If I would follow them home to see what they were doing. I must have driven about 20 miles out to some shack in the Lancaster desert. I entered the shack and lights and the TV was on, but there was no power hookup to this shack. They showed me batteries they had made from the Pyrite and that was the power source. They had made plates from this material and had them stacked in what looked like a battery case.

I asked a few questions and they said when they need power they just add water. I later did experiments with Iron Pyrite to find you could make batteries from them. I also found out that it could be combined with other things and you could move sound by placing dots wherever you wanted, by making a substrate of this material. I had reasoned that Iron Pyrite in the dish was generating sulfuric acid and that there was enough difference between the two rocks.

Early on in this group in my posts I'm using a piece of Pyrite with the Magnesium but without the Alum to run the Oscillator and a Ironless motor. But the down fall was Calcium Chloride and that attacked the magnesium. Just use a piece of Pyrite in place of the carbon electrode and see what you get, I know you can not solder to it but you can clip to it. I know that what your doing works real good if done right, in the beginning the sagging voltage means nothing because of the impedance of the material and that can be worked out.

I'm just giving some information to you here not demanding that you do it as I would not want to upset the apple cart. It would be very easy to have Lidmotor do this experiment with his oscillator that runs in micro amps.
John B

Hi John B,

I'm glad you posted this. I made a video 12 months ago when you started talking about Iron Pyrite back then. Current & Voltage from Iron Pyrite - YouTube
It was interesting because when I probed around the rock when it was dry, not much happened. But when I wet the rock with just tap water I could get the energy out of it. Not much, but enough to prove that there is something going on.

Since I have a couple of pieces of it (or could cut this one in half) I'll put two pieces in a bowl of water and see what I get.


John K.

[Lidmotor]

Pyrite Rock & Steel Wire Cat's Whisker cell

@Plengo
Thanks for the quick post. I was busy drying out the rock throughly to see if water was at play. It was---- so this experiment wasn't really that spectacular. When I dried the rock out the party stopped -----but a quick run to the local water molecule store for more "refreshments" ----and the party started right back up again. Here is the video post again:

Iron Pyrite and Steel Cats Whisker Cell - YouTube

Earlier in the day I tried all kinds of things (including carbon) in a shallow dish of water and that is when I discovered this steel wire "cat's whisker" thing. the differential between carbon and the iron pyrite was only about .3 volts and would not run the oscillator.

@John & ChucK
Yesterday I worked with that new oscillator circuit and it works with that black box Hydrate cell very well. If I get more comfortable with it I will share more.

@cgalvisardila
My capillary "self watering" cell is still running but getting the water to draw up into the cell through the string, at the right amount, is hard. This may not be the best way to do this.

Lidmotor

[plengo]

hi all, i built a cell with lidmotors idea to use a cotton string to feed water to the cell, now is day 2 and there is no water yet entering the cell... is it working for you lidmotor?... if so, how do you do it? i dont have any tubes to try faustos way... it seems that it would be good to come up with a good self irrigation system, given that at some point we will be making lots of theese cells in series, and kind of a pain to water them all individually...

I did had the same problem as you do, where is the little tube to use? well remember McGyver (https://www.google.com/search?q=macg...1095&bih=988)?

I took an electrical wire from a lamp and removed the wires from inside the insulation. There is your little tube.

Fausto.

[plengo]

Guys,
Just a thought worth pondering. One must really contemplate how fortunate we are simply being able to read this sentence. We are a diverse group from all over the world attempting to gain knowledge, advance this knowledge to all who wish to acquire it, as well by sharing our perspectives and experiences, as well as explore new territory, even if it is new only to those just started exploring.
We ALL are on a journey seeking on many levels. We will NEVER arrive at a destination unless we choose to delimit that destination as a finality, or a temporary point for the next departure. This journey has many side stops, which is normal, as well remembering just how much effort it takes to start as well as keep the momentum going. Most Sincere Appreciation for especially the navigators who have been on the journey longer than most of us, like John Bedini, Marcus Reid, John Hutchison etc. that have been those with the lights to help keep us on the path. Always remember even they are on the same journey right? Great and sincere Appreciation to ALL here that have helped to keep it going. So I propose a toast. Thank you for sharing ALL that you have and thank you for helping us help ourselves and hopefully we can keep this type of momentum going. The truth is there is SO much that is beyond our individual capacity to effect. We each know intrinsically that there is MUCH out there to glean and we do not have all the answers. It is a fantastic thing that we share what we do here. We are just now beginning to open tiny windows to see what may be possible and in the process realizing what is not optimal usually best accomplished by direct experience. The best teachers allow the students to learn, not only from books, but by mistakes as well. Socratic method, to ask questions, that is a path of inquiry is far more conducive to expanding the mind than regurgitation of a professed observation of an expert as noted in a text. Do not get me wrong, texts are as invaluable as experience, yet are vastly more limited that what can exist outside of the text.
One should NOT be dismayed that we are seeing that our cells contain water, or the crystal lattice imbibes, holds on to or recycles fluid. Asking WHY do we need fluid? Questioning to see to find if it is true or not that seemingly in our reality, the physics reality of positive ions needing liquid or gas to move in need not seem as a negative or failure in our quest. The cells we make and the process to form them and ALL the time and research doing it by its very essence IS the biggest prize, the KNOWLEDGE GAINED by doing and observing cannot be underestimated. Lets keep the journey going as long as we can. We just may find a few new things in the process. If this path is not what is desired, by golly, we can always take a detour, stop or ask directions right? Holy cow, I apologize if this seems a rant. My caffeine titer must be a bit off guess. Lets keep the positive going and see what we see, improve what we can, share what we are willing to do as long as it continues to move forward with positive energy and intent.
Very Best Regards,
Jim

Jim,

agreed 100% sir. Let's continue researching and improving and breaking new grounds. Others may be thinking (in their sitting positions of their homy chairs) that we are only repeating the past. Rightly so BUT we are still breaking new grounds.

We will get this cell in the market for ALL. I am planning to sell it somehow in my site as little toys or whatever, sure, BUT, ALL THE KNOWLEDGE to make one yourself is free from my videos, this site and many others.

I think business wise we are already re-inventing a new way of profiting from open source for all just like the software industry (I am a software engineer) has done it but on the alternative energy area.

This is not only fun to do it but also removes the profit from going to the power money hungry that are destroying the world. This allows any one to participate, make a difference and profit from it too.

Fausto.

[cgalvisardila]

Capilar Action

hi all, i built a cell with lidmotors idea to use a cotton string to feed water to the cell, now is day 2 and there is no water yet entering the cell... is it working for you lidmotor?... if so, how do you do it? i dont have any tubes to try faustos way... it seems that it would be good to come up with a good self irrigation system, given that at some point we will be making lots of theese cells in series, and kind of a pain to water them all individually...

[plengo]

Lidmotor's new video: Iron Pyrite and Steel Cats Whisker Cell.ASF - YouTube

Sorry Lid, I got here with your video before you

it is VERY COOL.

Fausto.

[jehdds]

Guys,
Just a thought worth pondering. One must really contemplate how fortunate we are simply being able to read this sentence. We are a diverse group from all over the world attempting to gain knowledge, advance this knowledge to all who wish to acquire it, as well by sharing our perspectives and experiences, as well as explore new territory, even if it is new only to those just started exploring.
We ALL are on a journey seeking on many levels. We will NEVER arrive at a destination unless we choose to delimit that destination as a finality, or a temporary point for the next departure. This journey has many side stops, which is normal, as well remembering just how much effort it takes to start as well as keep the momentum going. Most Sincere Appreciation for especially the navigators who have been on the journey longer than most of us, like John Bedini, Marcus Reid, John Hutchison etc. that have been those with the lights to help keep us on the path. Always remember even they are on the same journey right? Great and sincere Appreciation to ALL here that have helped to keep it going. So I propose a toast. Thank you for sharing ALL that you have and thank you for helping us help ourselves and hopefully we can keep this type of momentum going. The truth is there is SO much that is beyond our individual capacity to effect. We each know intrinsically that there is MUCH out there to glean and we do not have all the answers. It is a fantastic thing that we share what we do here. We are just now beginning to open tiny windows to see what may be possible and in the process realizing what is not optimal usually best accomplished by direct experience. The best teachers allow the students to learn, not only from books, but by mistakes as well. Socratic method, to ask questions, that is a path of inquiry is far more conducive to expanding the mind than regurgitation of a professed observation of an expert as noted in a text. Do not get me wrong, texts are as invaluable as experience, yet are vastly more limited that what can exist outside of the text.
One should NOT be dismayed that we are seeing that our cells contain water, or the crystal lattice imbibes, holds on to or recycles fluid. Asking WHY do we need fluid? Questioning to see to find if it is true or not that seemingly in our reality, the physics reality of positive ions needing liquid or gas to move in need not seem as a negative or failure in our quest. The cells we make and the process to form them and ALL the time and research doing it by its very essence IS the biggest prize, the KNOWLEDGE GAINED by doing and observing cannot be underestimated. Lets keep the journey going as long as we can. We just may find a few new things in the process. If this path is not what is desired, by golly, we can always take a detour, stop or ask directions right? Holy cow, I apologize if this seems a rant. My caffeine titer must be a bit off guess. Lets keep the positive going and see what we see, improve what we can, share what we are willing to do as long as it continues to move forward with positive energy and intent.
Very Best Regards,
Jim

[John_Bedini]

substrates of this material

Did these guys have enough juice from their iron pyrite batteries to run a swamp cooler ? In the year 2000 I lived and worked in Lancaster for a while.
110 degree heat a lot of the time. Hard to get used to when you are from Canada.

George

No I did not see any swamp cooler but they could run small lights and a early black and white TV solid state and some small motors and trinkets they had there. I don't think they were getting more then 5 amps at the most. I never tried to reproduce that system because I was busy with the 3D sound at the time. But I did manage to build substrates of this material which ended up in one of my DVD's as it is shown on a board of all the samples. I did build the crystals which I used in transistors and sound devices for speakers as That is where Tom Bearden entered the picture. And it was more like 120 degrees in that shack.
John B

[plengo]

Fausto,
Let me give you some insight into Iron Pyrite. In 1985 two people showed up at my shop. They had with them two pieces of what looked like Iron Pyrite, For all practical purposes it was. These two individuals pulled out of their bag of tricks a small little motor. They said to me just put the pieces of Iron Pyrite in this little dish of water and hook up the motor, so I did.
The motor began to spin and stayed spinning until the water was gone. The next day they returned and asked If I would follow them home to see what they were doing. I must have driven about 20 miles out to some shack in the Lancaster desert. I entered the shack and lights and the TV was on, but there was no power hookup to this shack. They showed me batteries they had made from the Pyrite and that was the power source. They had made plates from this material and had them stacked in what looked like a battery case.

I asked a few questions and they said when they need power they just add water. I later did experiments with Iron Pyrite to find you could make batteries from them. I also found out that it could be combined with other things and you could move sound by placing dots wherever you wanted, by making a substrate of this material. I had reasoned that Iron Pyrite in the dish was generating sulfuric acid and that there was enough difference between the two rocks.

Early on in this group in my posts I'm using a piece of Pyrite with the Magnesium but without the Alum to run the Oscillator and a Ironless motor. But the down fall was Calcium Chloride and that attacked the magnesium. Just use a piece of Pyrite in place of the carbon electrode and see what you get, I know you can not solder to it but you can clip to it. I know that what your doing works real good if done right, in the beginning the sagging voltage means nothing because of the impedance of the material and that can be worked out.

I'm just giving some information to you here not demanding that you do it as I would not want to upset the apple cart. It would be very easy to have Lidmotor do this experiment with his oscillator that runs in micro amps.
John B

Thank you Bedini. That is so cool. You have such a blessed level of experience that very fell has. I must say that when the student is ready the teacher shows up.

You attract this kind of knowledge man.

I will certainly try your advice and see if I got something with Pyrite and Carbon.

Thanks.

Fausto.

[FRC]

JB

Did these guys have enough juice from their iron pyrite batteries to run a swamp cooler ? In the year 2000 I lived and worked in Lancaster for a while.
110 degree heat a lot of the time. Hard to get used to when you are from Canada.

George

[John_Bedini]

Iron Pyrite

Excellent, THANK YOU . Yes it does have a huge drop in voltage. Now, mix about 50ml of water with 1/4 tsp of powdered alum. Mix until totally dissolved.

Take only 1/3 ml of this solution (and this is for 3 cells of mine - so do it proportional to your cell size) and add to your cell ONLY ONCE. This will boost the voltage as the other ones and will not have too much alum to defeat the protection mechanism of the Iron Pyrite. You will see.

When you add that solution to the cell try to avoid the Mg.

Next time the cell goes down ONLY ADD WATER to your taste ; This cell loves water!

Fausto.

Fausto,
Let me give you some insight into Iron Pyrite. In 1985 two people showed up at my shop. They had with them two pieces of what looked like Iron Pyrite, For all practical purposes it was. These two individuals pulled out of their bag of tricks a small little motor. They said to me just put the pieces of Iron Pyrite in this little dish of water and hook up the motor, so I did.
The motor began to spin and stayed spinning until the water was gone. The next day they returned and asked If I would follow them home to see what they were doing. I must have driven about 20 miles out to some shack in the Lancaster desert. I entered the shack and lights and the TV was on, but there was no power hookup to this shack. They showed me batteries they had made from the Pyrite and that was the power source. They had made plates from this material and had them stacked in what looked like a battery case.

I asked a few questions and they said when they need power they just add water. I later did experiments with Iron Pyrite to find you could make batteries from them. I also found out that it could be combined with other things and you could move sound by placing dots wherever you wanted, by making a substrate of this material. I had reasoned that Iron Pyrite in the dish was generating sulfuric acid and that there was enough difference between the two rocks.

Early on in this group in my posts I'm using a piece of Pyrite with the Magnesium but without the Alum to run the Oscillator and a Ironless motor. But the down fall was Calcium Chloride and that attacked the magnesium. Just use a piece of Pyrite in place of the carbon electrode and see what you get, I know you can not solder to it but you can clip to it. I know that what your doing works real good if done right, in the beginning the sagging voltage means nothing because of the impedance of the material and that can be worked out.

I'm just giving some information to you here not demanding that you do it as I would not want to upset the apple cart. It would be very easy to have Lidmotor do this experiment with his oscillator that runs in micro amps.
John B

[plengo]

Fausto, i replicated your cell with the Mg rod covered in pyrite... it works fine but i noticed there was a drop in voltage compared to another cell i did with the same mix and the rod covered with paper... did you have a drop in voltage as well?

Excellent, THANK YOU . Yes it does have a huge drop in voltage. Now, mix about 50ml of water with 1/4 tsp of powdered alum. Mix until totally dissolved.

Take only 1/3 ml of this solution (and this is for 3 cells of mine - so do it proportional to your cell size) and add to your cell ONLY ONCE. This will boost the voltage as the other ones and will not have too much alum to defeat the protection mechanism of the Iron Pyrite. You will see.

When you add that solution to the cell try to avoid the Mg.

Next time the cell goes down ONLY ADD WATER to your taste ; This cell loves water!

Fausto.

[John_Bedini]

My Rant is over

Ibpointless2,
I have worked in this field my entire life and for some really good places, US Army microwave division, De-Vry Institute of Technology, TRW semiconductor division, Control Data technology, Acoustic Control, Bar-O-Matic Alcoa aluminum and so on. RCA Research and development Power Amplifiers and the list goes on.

Not including my own Amplifier Company so think I know something about engineering. It was fine until I got hookup with a bunch of wackoes at some radio station called the Open Mind. I have bad days too, but I do not run to some other group and complain about Ibpointless2 that he does not know what he is doing, although I disagree with your waterless battery.

I stated very plain that I could not talk to the group about the Marcus Reid Cells and yes they have been running for years even if you see that corrosion as I said you would be dead before they quit. I don't need to measure the weight of the magnesium as 1 to 2% I can see it under the microscope here set up for that kind of work. and I'm nowhere at that level after almost 1 year with my cells.

I used the copper black because it is what I want for an electrode and that is the oxide I want because of it's properties, Go watch some video on negative resistors and the different oxides. I think I explained why to the group some posts back I only use the cells when I want to power low voltage circuits and oscillators. The other thing here is do not sell John Hutchison short because he did tell the truth in that video, but only in a simple mix so he has not been proved a fraud yet. Most of my work on the internet is not built like I would do it, so people do not get the same results.

People change things to suit their own needs. I do not expect anybody to agree with me on this group as they have their own ideas. I'm only here on this group to share information and that's it. But no, I'm doing research and guess who should pop up but you and others saying how stupid John is. SeaMonkey has a allot of room to talk as he can't join this group to voice his opinion right to my face, and you angry at the world and John, and when did John ever force you to do anything. You can turn your computer off at any time IB if your that mad.

Please take up drinking and sob in that glass. I consider all that backstabbing when you could just say it here right to me. Questions what is that, I can't find any hard questions here as these cells are not that complicated. Your looking at that ribbon Magnesium is not a test of anything as that Magnesium has a much different crystal structure then what I'm using. That's right two different pieces of Magnesium. The secret to a crystal cell is to lock up the water, and it just can't be any normal water it is much different in it's makeup, bonding.

I have stated to you and everybody I want to burn water, just because that takes place does not mean it must be galvanic and eat up the magnesium to make power. I have also stated that you must have one piezoelectric chemical with the mix I'm using.What I'm building is more of a type of fuel cell and I have said that before to the group. I don't care if I must add water to activate my cell that is what I want and that is what I'm working on.

Sea Monkey knows better then the guy that is working on it, can't get anymore information out of John he is stumped and is lost at sea. Ok I have had my rant. Remember what Lidmotor said about mistakes you wont live long enough to make them all again. So you have had your say, and I do not have to listen as it was in print and I can think whatever I want.
John B

[Freezer]

Cell 7 - YouTube

Just wanted to say, I replicated to the best I could, the hydrate cell and it seems to run fairly well. I had made some previous cells with the silicate, but this one seems to be more powerful. I think the magnesium filings add more current, I guess changing the resistance? Anyways I hope you know many appreciate your work Bedini, might not always say it, but people like you, inspire people.

I still don't understand much about these cells. I'm still trying to figure out these ghost cells which go up and down in voltage. I made some newer ones with silicate and two of them are doing the same thing. It's actually a bad thing since the voltage will drop half a volt every 20 seconds.