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[cgalvisardila]

I have an interesting news to share. I have a cell that is extremelly old. It has Mg but it is not one of the ones with carbon and sand. The Mg is totally gone and lights are very bright.

The Mg is totally corroded and it is a kind of paste now with the rest.

To my surprise it seems that after Mg is oxidized we still have the flow. Alum is essential.

Fausto.

thats great! the same happens with the copper oxide, if the Mg in its oxide state is still functional we are really getting somewhere, good work! why do you say the alum is essential?.... i wonder if using magnesite crystal instead of pure Mg would work with your mix... i did a test recently using bornite (its one of the main copper ores) and magnesium in alum water, it gave me over 25Ma at 1.4V, something really strange happens, the bornite reacts and releases methane (at least that's what it smells like)... is the mix you're using the one with the carbon, alum, sod silicate mix?

cheers

[plengo]

I have an interesting news to share. I have a cell that is extremelly old. It has Mg but it is not one of the ones with carbon and sand. The Mg is totally gone and lights are very bright.

The Mg is totally corroded and it is a kind of paste now with the rest.

To my surprise it seems that after Mg is oxidized we still have the flow. Alum is essential.

Fausto.

[Allwest]

Another interesting thing I found out on the super glue crystal cell, is that you can have water as your positive

Submerse the whole magnesium into water with a wire attached to clean side of mag

You can read off the wire attached and the water

Hmm

[Allwest]

If you want your dry cells to last it might be best to place them in a oil such as vegetable oil. This will keep water away from your electrodes.

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Hi IB2

Good point on the oil, it still creates the liquid, but takes the corrosive oxygen out of the liquid and away from the mag

Have you tried heat on your dry cells? mine show a 20% gain in power with heat

[Allwest]

Car motor oil is what Lasersaber was using to place his cells into, as it is non-conducting. They were still working after 4 months, and maybe even longer now. Proves that humidity from the AIR is the main culprit, and not just the galvanic reaction. Thanks for bringing that up...

Ib2, the cell that I made using grout, carbon, sand and table salt, that was made in a soda bottle cap is still producing one volt and one mA, and can still light an led off an oscillator, although dimly. The interesting thing is that the whole top of the cell is now totally wet, and dripping off of the sides of the cap, and forming puddles. No need to water that one...

Allwest: Placing the cells in the sun not only raises the voltage due to increased heat, they are also absorbing all kinds of different energies, like infra-red, ultra violet, magnetic currents, and who knows what else. What happened to the cells that you showed with 500 to 600 mA?
I'm going to guess at what your new cells have in them... Peanut butter? Hey, don't laugh till you try it.
Just kidding.
NickZ

Nick, the 500 to 600 Ma cells, I am still testing and investigating

The 2.19 volt cell I am working on is part of it, I was hitting on two cells 2.19 volts and just about an Amp, the problem is keeping it there for any length of time

[cgalvisardila]

Hi everyone, I've made a couples of these cells with the right mix and oxides and it works great! The key is the manganese dioxide3(MN2O3) for the full h2o burning mode. It's been since 3 weeks and very little watering every 5-7 days is required for full operation mode. I opened one of the cells to see if there is a galvanic effect and I see nothing. The black copper oxide layer is 100% there and the magnesium is slowly turning black because of the manganese oxide protective layer. Its putting out 3-7 ma on a constant load (5mm white bright led) and 15-20 ma on a 10 ohms resistor load.

hi crystaldiapole, you posted this a while back, you talk about the right mix, can you share the mix you used? is this cell still running? ive been using Mn and the cells really go up in power but the magnesium suffers a lot, how exactly do you make a Mn oxide layer? does it happen naturally? its very interesting...

[NickZ]

Car motor oil is what Lasersaber was using to place his cells into, as it is non-conducting. They were still working after 4 months, and maybe even longer now. Proves that humidity from the AIR is the main culprit, and not just the galvanic reaction. Thanks for bringing that up...

Ib2, the cell that I made using grout, carbon, sand and table salt, that was made in a soda bottle cap is still producing one volt and one mA, and can still light an led off an oscillator, although dimly. The interesting thing is that the whole top of the cell is now totally wet, and dripping off of the sides of the cap, and forming puddles. No need to water that one...

Allwest: Placing the cells in the sun not only raises the voltage due to increased heat, they are also absorbing all kinds of different energies, like infra-red, ultra violet, magnetic currents, and who knows what else. What happened to the cells that you showed with 500 to 600 mA?
I'm going to guess at what your new cells have in them... Peanut butter? Hey, don't laugh till you try it.
Just kidding.
NickZ

[ibpointless2]

If you want your dry cells to last it might be best to place them in a oil such as vegetable oil. This will keep water away from your electrodes.

[Allwest]

Fausto,& all

I made this video on a couple of cells, one was the super glue, it may save you some time. The Chili powder cell is still running with no water for about a month, the voltage has gone up, the amps are staying about the same

My video stopped, but super glue cell crystals (without copper) read 1.70 volts and 10Ma, with copper it reads 1.60 volts and 20Ma

So the crystals are more positive than copper


May 2, 2012.avi - YouTube

another thing I wanted to show, was that these cells a thermally activated, heat in any form amps up these cells by 50%

I left the chili cell out in the sun for about 15 min and she went up to 40 Ma, and slowly went down to normal over an hour

Also, any cell that has sand or quartz will go up when power is drawn from it


I finally had one cell go over 2 volts that I am testing now, you will never guess what I used Ha!

Best of luck to all

[Allwest]

That is interesting. I am still waiting for the glue to come in.

My cells with the grease are still running very well. Soon I will open one and see the results too.

Fausto.

Fausto,& all

I made this video on a couple of cells, one was the super glue, it may save you some time. The Chili powder cell is still running with no water for about a month, the voltage has gone up, the amps are staying about the same

My video stopped, but super glue cell crystals (without copper) read 1.70 volts and 10Ma, with copper it reads 1.60 volts and 20Ma

So the crystals are more positive than copper


May 2, 2012.avi - YouTube

[NickZ]

Carlos and All:
Yes, it's 300uA, not mA, I tried to edit that error several times, but was unable to, as I seam to be having problems with either my Mozilla site, or something on EF.
The idea is to make cells that produce a mucho mas higher output, like one or two amps or higher, that will allow for big bright lights from the leds. Or even regular bulbs, as I don't care much for the irritating light produced by CFLs or super bright white Leds. Warm whites are a bit easier to deal with.

I've also noticed that the semiconductor treated copper gets very little corrosion on the treated layer. But, it's really the aluminum and its semiconductor layer that I'm concerned about. Grease coatings is the only thing that has worked for me up to now, to some degree...
I DO believe in what John B has told us about needing the two semiconductors layers that filter out the electrons, but do allow the ions through. Ions are like light, they are not physical elements, they don't wear away at the metals, and don't have the same qualities as normal electric current. But they can still get bottle-necked and backed up at the positive pole, hence the de-polarizer, but one that doesn't eat the metals up.

We need to make our cells similar to solar cells or semiconductors, as there is no oxidation happening there.

I'm busy now making the Exciter oscillator circuits, that will also work off of these cells.
My dry carbon cells that are sealed and not needing water are still working fine, but any open and exposed salt electrolyte based cells are just going to break down in time. The trick is keeping the water in hermetically sealed cells, and not having to touch them again.

Carlos, good luck with your tests.You really seam to working very hard at getting this down pat.

Saludos to all, from Costa Rica...
Nick

[cgalvisardila]

Allwest:
Thanks for the info. Without using any kind of grease all the metal connection will oxidize very quickly, at least on my cells, as it looks to me like 90% of the rust comes from exposure to the air, water, or humidity. This can happen even if the cells are not loaded, so it's not just the galvanics.
My cells form salt puddles of water, just by themselves, so you can imagine what that does to any metals. I also notice that I can get by without the use of the carbon rod electrodes, as the carbon electrolyte will work as the positive electrode as well. But, the carbon rods and especially the carpenter pencil leads, help to raise the output enough to be used. But, it is the negative electrode that is really the weak link.

Carlos: The cell bank that I showed is also lighting leds on just 300mAs, after 1/1/2 years of constant daily use, but will not make my oscillator work. Strange huh?!! It must have to do with the higher voltage, (4 volts or higher, or 8 volts AC). I think...

300mAs?? i guess you mean 300uA, if so, its pretty much the same as my latest cells, 3 of them are giving 10VAC, its been like that for a week now... it is very strange that the leds work but not the oscillator.... would be interesting to try to build some sort of rectifier that will work on such low power. as for the corrosion problem, im looking into the ores of copper and magnesium, i will post details once i have something interesting, but so far i can tell you, im getting power from bornite (its one of the main ores used to get copper) and bismuth on alum water, 1.2V at 5Ma... i'm waiting on many other ores i ordered, next try will be dolomite which is a crystaline ore to get magnesium, heres a cool list of ores i found

Ore minerals

maybe we can find a good replacement for the electrodes in the natural ores, cheers

[NickZ]

Allwest:
Thanks for the info. Without using any kind of grease all the metal connection will oxidize very quickly, at least on my cells, as it looks to me like 90% of the rust comes from exposure to the air, water, or humidity. This can happen even if the cells are not loaded, so it's not just the galvanics.
My cells form salt puddles of water, just by themselves, so you can imagine what that does to any metals. I also notice that I can get by without the use of the carbon rod electrodes, as the carbon electrolyte will work as the positive electrode as well. But, the carbon rods and especially the carpenter pencil leads, help to raise the output enough to be used. But, it is the negative electrode that is really the weak link.

Carlos: The cell bank that I showed is also lighting leds on just 300mAs, after 1/1/2 years of constant daily use, but will not make my oscillator work. Strange huh?!! It must have to do with the higher voltage, (4 volts or higher, or 8 volts AC). I think...

[plengo]

Plengo,

Have you got any where with the super glue seal?

On my cell that has the super glue seal, I have bad news and good news

It had two little holes in the seal, these two little holes have grown, a crystal form is growing on top of the magnesium and under the seal, its about a 1/4" thick now, this has not decrease the power of the cell

Also, I have found out that now, I do not need the copper any more, the crystals are now my positive, this opens up a whole new idea

Best of luck

That is interesting. I am still waiting for the glue to come in.

My cells with the grease are still running very well. Soon I will open one and see the results too.

Fausto.

[Allwest]

Can you share a link to the crazy glue that you used? I would like to buy the exact same.

Fausto.

Plengo,

Have you got any where with the super glue seal?

On my cell that has the super glue seal, I have bad news and good news

It had two little holes in the seal, these two little holes have grown, a crystal form is growing on top of the magnesium and under the seal, its about a 1/4" thick now, this has not decrease the power of the cell

Also, I have found out that now, I do not need the copper any more, the crystals are now my positive, this opens up a whole new idea

Best of luck