Bedini Earth Light

[plengo]

Guys, i don't want to be a pain in the a$$, i have posted this question 4 times with no answer, guess this will be the last one, if you don't know, then just say "i dont know carlos"... i need a source other than alfa aesar to get the hydrate #5 and the Mn 203... also some information on circuit building, a good book a web page, a video anything will do..... cheers


Carlos

Hey Carlos I bought MnO2 from here (eBay My World - gumby96) (eBay - New & used electronics, cars, apparel, collectibles, sporting goods & more at low prices.

Fausto.

[Lidmotor]

Busy

@John & All
I am busy with family matters but I will do what I can with this project. Yesterday I made one of Robbie's simple "backwards joule thief" circuits that runs off a PNP. I have it running off the Hydrate cell cell right now.

@Jim
Your last video was really good and pretty exciting considering what it means.

@John
Your last post has allot to chew on. It makes sense and may explain what I am seeing in the cells that I have built.

Lidmotor

[cgalvisardila]

Hydrate 5

Guys, i don't want to be a pain in the a$$, i have posted this question 4 times with no answer, guess this will be the last one, if you don't know, then just say "i dont know carlos"... i need a source other than alfa aesar to get the hydrate #5 and the Mn 203... also some information on circuit building, a good book a web page, a video anything will do..... cheers


Carlos

[NickZ]

John B and All:
John, sorry for not answering your questions. I have been busy the last couple of days. The reason that I brought up Robbie's circuits is because he has worked on these different types of what he calls backward Joule thief circuits for a long time now, and is the only one that has been able to get several months of very BRIGHT led light from a single small 1.5 v AAA, or button cell.
I don't know what to say, other than to mention that it shows that energy is being absorbed by the device (from the ambient), possibly like the negative resistor idea. He has made several videos in the last few years that can be seen in his YouTube Koolerization channel.
As the link that you provide mentions that if the cores and coils don't provide for a sufficient BEMF force, the batteries will eventually discharge. So,Robbie uses the strongest cores that he can find now, with the highest perm, as does LaserSaber, since without them the long term effect without the battery voltage dropping is not observed to the same degree.
So, the negative resistor idea, (sucking in the surrounding ambient energy) may be what is being observed working in these devices. And it may be possible that the same effect is also present in some of the best and longest lasting cells, and thus they don't drop in output levels after a while, like most all other cells will. The combination of cells working together with an efficient oscillator circuit may still be needed to obtain the best long lasting outputs and results.
Even though is may seam as the toroidal cores are used in closed system devices, I feel that they are still working as transmitter/receivers, drawing in energy like the negative resistor types, and similar to your open air core coils.
I don't know if I've answered your questions, but if not, just let me know.

I would really like to hear more about your semiconductor ideas, as they may be what is really needed to obtain more power from the nominal voltage obtained from the two different metals type of cells.

NickZ

[plengo]

Hi Plengo, Great work on the last video. I was wondering if the cells that start off negative then go positive when you add water contain any type of carbon in the mix? Thanks.

correct it does have activated carbon, sand and Mg and copper.

Fausto.

[plengo]

@JB,

with the latests conclusions posted by you and jim it seams that these cells would work at their best driven by an oscillator. Just like you have been doing.

Almost like the oscillator would not only extract the energy out of those cells but also would stimulate a vibration effect internally helping the cell to restore its internal structure with the bouncing effect of oscillator.

It is just my 2 cents (even thought most of my cells are running without an oscillator).

If the semiconductor effect is necessary and the crystal grown and also the piezo I would than conclude that the best cell would be one that would have the biggest surface area under pressure and water content locked inside but still free to flow inside the cell without ever leaving it. Sealed cell with lots of water content. WHich actually goes inline with you saying about the hydrants.

I have not been able to successfully scale my cells by only increasing surface area. There is a hard limit of how much power it can produce based on the constant evaporation effectiveness of the water. It is as if the water is really working as a fuel cell effect and the crystal structure is the medium of that decomposition while the metals are just the potential creator.

Fausto.

[Neight]

Congrats!

Thanks Even if it isn't much, it's still pretty exciting to see something like this do actual work



Video is uploaded and ready to go, here is the link

First working cell - YouTube

I am a bit rambly in the video, but honestly, I didn't expect it to work at all, and when it did I just grabbed the camera and went with it while I had it going. Didn't take much time to plan what I wanted to get in the video, so there isn't much direction in it.

Enjoy

N8

[ibpointless2]

Hey everyone
I have been working on my moly cell (molybdenum disulfide, iron and magnesium filings, and saline solution, copper and aluminum plates) and I finally have some power willing to do some work.
I have tried a few different mixes of this stuff, and it seems I got pretty lucky right out of the gate. without the iron filings, it doesn't want to work as well, and with just the water and moly, it wont work at all. The moly doesn't like to accept the water, which I thought would possibly help ease corrosion, but something about the iron helps it mix into a paste and start making power.
I am going to try and get some iron pyrite, but that will have to wait for now.
either way, I am getting light out of an oscillator!
I made the cell again, same mix as my last post (equal parts magnesium and iron, a healthy dose of moly, and enough water to saturate it), but this time I used much bigger plates. Probably double the surface area has been covered in the moly paste, and it is making enough power to get visible light out of a super bright LED.
unloaded I get nearly .5V, and shorted with two meters, I get nearly 1mA and .340-.350V
once I saw those numbers on the meters, I decided to hook it up to lasersaber's super efficient joule ringer (according to lidmotor it's a variation of a blocking oscillator, but it's working for me, so I don't really care what it's called, I call it fun ). It took a little fiddling with it, but I saw a nice bright flash from the LED and nearly fell down I was so excited.
once I get the plate placement just right, it makes a nice bright flash, nearly goes out, then settles quite nicely on barely visible light output.
Like John Bedini's crystal cells, the plates will bond together once it is fully dry, though unlike his cells, mine doesn't like any pressure at all until it is pretty dry. Once it is dry and bonded, I can add water to it, and it doesn't fall apart anymore, though the addition water only seems to help for a few seconds before it settles right back down to where it wants to run.
I am pretty sure the moly powder is keeping the water from getting into the cell, and that is why it doesn't help much.
I am hoping to get some advice here on where I should go next with it. I have some ideas, thinking about adding alum to the mix, or maybe some activated charcoal, something to help it along.
I have a video of it being uploaded to youtube now, and when it is ready I will post the link.
Hope this peaks some interest, as I think there really is something to this. If I am wrong, and just shooting blind, please let me know, but if I do have something here, I am more than open to suggestions on things I can try to boost output, and make it a bit more stable.
regardless of where this goes, I am very excited to have made my first functioning cell that will make light, however small a light it is
Thanks

N8

Congrats!

[jehdds]

Jim,
This basically my conclusion also, as Chuck and I have been testing geometrical states, it is possible that these cells emit a negative resistance. The reason I say this is that Semiconductors build up what would be called energy bursts and shot noise this noise looks like negative spikes that cause failure in the device. However what is driving the shot noise is sources from outside the device. I could get into the noise as 1/F noise this noise is responsible for Amplifiers just melting down in the middle of the night. Some of this noise can and does DC shifting within the circuits. When this happens the VBE multiplier circuit can not track the thermal of the devices. If you want to take this much further, Galvanic action produces a noise that is similar. What I have noticed about the cells that work and keep going is, After the noise stops the cell continues to run forever without any water. So it's the formation of oxides building in the cell. When this happens the crystal is growing, you have heard that before, growing pains. Also the cell becomes sensitive to, heat, sound, light, pressure and so on. The reason I asked NickZ the questions is I was trying to tie something together, but I did not get the answer. When this is going on what it seems like is a tunneling effect or known as a Negsister. That oscillator circuit is that right down to what that device is capable of. Marcus Reids cells also generate that noise too. My real thoughts are as the Ions move they oscillate generating energy, in other words kicking off electrons. If you go negative enough you can not have any loss in power. I have also ran that test inside a copper box grounded or a Faraday Cage. The energy goes right through it as a negative spike. My test indicate that the cells almost mimic the Negsistor,and so does that circuit I asked about. I have made semiconductors at TRW and the one's that do that never reach the public for anything. But some of these devices have escaped like the 2N2222, MPS A06 MJ15024, Germanium Transistors did this very good. I was adding water to see if that action is the real generator but it was a damping medium if over watered. Cold did nothing as it bounced right back, over heating caused the cell to break down, almost like thermal runaway. The cell left to cool came right back as if it protected itself. The cell seems to gathers energy from the surrounding area. Call all this what you want but this is what it seems to be. Thanks for posting that video. I'm not done with all my testing but, and I could not get any answers here until you posted this observation. The only other thing is the Piezo Electric Effect in the Rochelle Salts as it is mixed with it. Mikrovolt is right on when he said, ("is important in an oscillator if you want to take advantage of negative resistance") And his other question which nobody answered his question,"What is the product of Mg and MgSo4" I can tell you it is not water after that Mg + 2H2O ---> Mg(OH)2 + H2. Jim thanks for all your work.
John B

THANK YOU JOHN FOR THE CONFIRMATION
VERY BEST REGARDS,
Jim

[ibpointless2]

Hi Plengo, Great work on the last video. I was wondering if the cells that start off negative then go positive when you add water contain any type of carbon in the mix? Thanks.

[Neight]

Hey everyone
I have been working on my moly cell (molybdenum disulfide, iron and magnesium filings, and saline solution, copper and aluminum plates) and I finally have some power willing to do some work.
I have tried a few different mixes of this stuff, and it seems I got pretty lucky right out of the gate. without the iron filings, it doesn't want to work as well, and with just the water and moly, it wont work at all. The moly doesn't like to accept the water, which I thought would possibly help ease corrosion, but something about the iron helps it mix into a paste and start making power.
I am going to try and get some iron pyrite, but that will have to wait for now.
either way, I am getting light out of an oscillator!
I made the cell again, same mix as my last post (equal parts magnesium and iron, a healthy dose of moly, and enough water to saturate it), but this time I used much bigger plates. Probably double the surface area has been covered in the moly paste, and it is making enough power to get visible light out of a super bright LED.
unloaded I get nearly .5V, and shorted with two meters, I get nearly 1mA and .340-.350V
once I saw those numbers on the meters, I decided to hook it up to lasersaber's super efficient joule ringer (according to lidmotor it's a variation of a blocking oscillator, but it's working for me, so I don't really care what it's called, I call it fun ). It took a little fiddling with it, but I saw a nice bright flash from the LED and nearly fell down I was so excited.
once I get the plate placement just right, it makes a nice bright flash, nearly goes out, then settles quite nicely on barely visible light output.
Like John Bedini's crystal cells, the plates will bond together once it is fully dry, though unlike his cells, mine doesn't like any pressure at all until it is pretty dry. Once it is dry and bonded, I can add water to it, and it doesn't fall apart anymore, though the addition water only seems to help for a few seconds before it settles right back down to where it wants to run.
I am pretty sure the moly powder is keeping the water from getting into the cell, and that is why it doesn't help much.
I am hoping to get some advice here on where I should go next with it. I have some ideas, thinking about adding alum to the mix, or maybe some activated charcoal, something to help it along.
I have a video of it being uploaded to youtube now, and when it is ready I will post the link.
Hope this peaks some interest, as I think there really is something to this. If I am wrong, and just shooting blind, please let me know, but if I do have something here, I am more than open to suggestions on things I can try to boost output, and make it a bit more stable.
regardless of where this goes, I am very excited to have made my first functioning cell that will make light, however small a light it is
Thanks

N8

[John_Bedini]

basically my conclusion also

Jim,
This basically my conclusion also, as Chuck and I have been testing geometrical states, it is possible that these cells emit a negative resistance. The reason I say this is that Semiconductors build up what would be called energy bursts and shot noise this noise looks like negative spikes that cause failure in the device. However what is driving the shot noise is sources from outside the device. I could get into the noise as 1/F noise this noise is responsible for Amplifiers just melting down in the middle of the night. Some of this noise can and does DC shifting within the circuits. When this happens the VBE multiplier circuit can not track the thermal of the devices. If you want to take this much further, Galvanic action produces a noise that is similar. What I have noticed about the cells that work and keep going is, After the noise stops the cell continues to run forever without any water. So it's the formation of oxides building in the cell. When this happens the crystal is growing, you have heard that before, growing pains. Also the cell becomes sensitive to, heat, sound, light, pressure and so on. The reason I asked NickZ the questions is I was trying to tie something together, but I did not get the answer. When this is going on what it seems like is a tunneling effect or known as a Negsister. That oscillator circuit is that right down to what that device is capable of. Marcus Reids cells also generate that noise too. My real thoughts are as the Ions move they oscillate generating energy, in other words kicking off electrons. If you go negative enough you can not have any loss in power. I have also ran that test inside a copper box grounded or a Faraday Cage. The energy goes right through it as a negative spike. My test indicate that the cells almost mimic the Negsistor,and so does that circuit I asked about. I have made semiconductors at TRW and the one's that do that never reach the public for anything. But some of these devices have escaped like the 2N2222, MPS A06 MJ15024, Germanium Transistors did this very good. I was adding water to see if that action is the real generator but it was a damping medium if over watered. Cold did nothing as it bounced right back, over heating caused the cell to break down, almost like thermal runaway. The cell left to cool came right back as if it protected itself. The cell seems to gathers energy from the surrounding area. Call all this what you want but this is what it seems to be. Thanks for posting that video. I'm not done with all my testing but, and I could not get any answers here until you posted this observation. The only other thing is the Piezo Electric Effect in the Rochelle Salts as it is mixed with it. Mikrovolt is right on when he said, ("is important in an oscillator if you want to take advantage of negative resistance") And his other question which nobody answered his question,"What is the product of Mg and MgSo4" I can tell you it is not water after that Mg + 2H2O ---> Mg(OH)2 + H2. Jim thanks for all your work.
John B

[cgalvisardila]

Good Video On Water

Fausto, nice video you posted man, actually, amazing, it concerns us all working on crystal batteries, basically it demonstrates how water is a liquid crystal with a charge in itself, provided by the radiant energy from light... check it out

Pollack G.H. Water, Energy and Life - YouTube

[jehdds]

Guys,
Here are a few observations based upon testing crystal electrolyte lattice and addition of polar liquids. I have been testing acetone for the reason it evaporates so very quickly and does NOT dissolve the salts.
My observations lead me to the hypothesis that current can be generated
By the crystalline lattice vibration via ionic movement.
This movement can come from evaporative movement through the lattice as well as noted by my tests tonight. A acetone flooded crystal cell will only produce current as long as the fluid can evaporate. In a sealed pressure vessel current stops at a point when vapor pressure is saturated and 100% fluid saturation occurs such that the lattice may no longer be able to vibrate. Open the pressure vessel and evaporative action returns and so does the current. Perhaps one may think of it as billions of wind chimes and the fluid passing by the piezo type crystals generate microcurrent. Put wind chimes in a bucket of fluid and no dice.
This current is amplified by the differential of materials that the electrodes are made of, or by exogenous stresses ranging from pressure to heat etc.
Again, taking the cell to -109F did stop all current as well, but not for long.
I believe that the cells we are making, depending on type have a progression of power generation, stages as it were.
1. Fabrication polarization = immediate galvanic.
2. Crystallization and oxide formation transitional state
3. Drying and fuel cell functionality or lattice stimulation from evaporative action as well as electrical potential ionic attraction.
4. Possible circular recycling of ionic flow if sealed cell like MR? And
5. Possible RF/thermal/ etc. lattice stimulation of crystal matrix in open dry cell by absorbing enough ambient moisture via deliquesence or lattice retention of fluid by polycrystalline tug of war on the polar fluid molecule?
My cell is an open one and I have Not added any fluid to it yet it still continues to function. My next tests need to be checking if any frequency is capable of bolstering the charge of the cell.

Here is a question that John may be able to answer:

Is it possible that we can/may have made an ideal cell-oscillator combination that is synergistic such that the lattice of the crystal matrix is being charged by the frequency of the oscillator or simply perhaps the ambient RF background or cosmic waves etc?

Maybe it is faraday cage time as well.
Would running the oscillator in a faraday cage with and without the crystal cell be a valid test for this #5 function? Remember this is coming from a dentist and observer of phenomenon. I am in no way an expert. Please forgive my ignorance and thank you for considering my thoughts.
Very Best Regards,
Jim

[prato_braun]

Mn2O3 or Mn3O4?

Hi John,

is it possible to use Mn3O4 instead of Mn2O3 and still stick to magnesium and copper electrodes?
It's just easier available in my area.
If not, would it be okay to stick to your latest mix but replace the Mn2O3 by the washed one from an old D-Cell while using the graphite rod and the zinc coating of the D-Cell as electrodes?
Or are their other things that need to be adjusted?

Thanks again for this awesome work that everyone does!!!

Cheers,

Prato