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[aaron5120]

Hi Allwest,
Very interesting recipe for the Mg-Cu battery. When you said salt and hydrogen peroxide solution for the electrolytic mix, do you mean a H2O2 water solution of food grade concentration of 35%, or do you mean a 6% concentration of drug store grade H2O2 solution? The mix should have some sort of water in it, or you just used salt with H2O2 solution?
1.6V 1Amp is quite impressive, I hope it can endure some days along, providing a continuous current flow without diminishing its power.
I suggest also the used of Permatex conductive grease to protect the Mg rod from corroding. But the H2O2 will certainly react with the grease.
aaron5120

[Allwest]

1.2 Amp cell


new cell 001 - YouTube

[Allwest]

A 60mV crystal cell charging a capacitor to over 700mV. I don't know where the extra energy is coming from.

60mV crystal pressure cell charging capacitor beyond 700mV - YouTube

IB,

Sorry don't know much about capacitors

I would try it on a battery and see what result you get

What does the Amps do?


Best of luck

[ibpointless2]

A 60mV crystal cell charging a capacitor to over 700mV. I don't know where the extra energy is coming from.

60mV crystal pressure cell charging capacitor beyond 700mV - YouTube

[Allwest]

I have been testing a new cell technique, using no space between the mag and copper

At the begging very little volts

testing 001 - YouTube


Eventually the black corroded mag starts forming a layer and the volts start showing with amps

testing 005 - YouTube

[Allwest]

To Plengo

This is an old dry Cell, that had 1.3 volts and 6.48 MA

This video shows heat applied to dry cell, with the Amps going over 100 MA

I guess the question is does this deteriorate the cell more, or is it converting heat to electricity, this is like a molten cell used in the past



test - YouTube

Another dry cell type using heat
test 002 - YouTube


Best of luck

[ibpointless2]

I am not sure if this has been posted here but I think it is highly relevant to the crystal battery.

Batteries Made From Water - YouTube

Fausto.

I've posted a lecture by the same guy talking about the same thing in a past post. I remember he would place one electrode in the water and have one barely touching the water and get a voltage. I discovered the same thing when I was working on my same metal water battery. I found that i got the best voltages when one electrode was barley touching the top of the water. But the electrodes i used were aluminum foil and over time they would corrode and holes would form through the aluminum foil. Even though they were the same metals in distilled water they would corrode. You can also see this depletion zone that the guy talks about buy sticking either aluminum or magnesium in water and let it sit, where the metal meets the air in water a discoloration will happen.

Even did a blog about it and you can see they guy giving the same lecuture but its longer. Same Metal Water Battery: Water has crystal video

[plengo]

I am not sure if this has been posted here but I think it is highly relevant to the crystal battery.

Batteries Made From Water - YouTube

Fausto.

[Allwest]

Potato Battery

Quote from the referenced site:
Desiree potatoes about the size of a standard mobile phone, though they say the type and size of potato slice do not determine its power.
The device had the same basic components as conventional batteries, consisting of two electrodes separated by an electrolyte (the potato). Each battery powered a small light for 20 hours, after which a new slice could be inserted. (another article referenced of this suggested zinc and copper were used).

I would call that a renewable energy source, that also saves us money I thought that was an (oxymoron)

Are we so arrogant, that we will not try and study things outside the box?

All hail the potato

Best of luck

[Allwest]

Yes, heat increase power. My cells off course run on room temperature.

I am playing with one formula (94 in my notes) that is working extremely well. It is Activated Carbon, Sand and MnO2. The MnO2 will absorb the Hydrogen production and help reducing oxidation (I think). If H2 is not free to fly and build up it must be absorbed by the mix which is reused by the water molecules and therefore improve power.

This particular cell using that formula was almost dead (after running for over 6 months) and when I added very little water again, she is running full blast 5 10mm LEDs with no Oscillator giving easily 5 to 10ma (since the LEDs are full brigthness). This is very, very interesting.

The cell is rock solid inside, so letting it dry and only than add water again really worked plus the MnO2 that stops gas build up and also the cell of growing too much in size.

What I mean by growing in size is that the cells expand in size with time to the point one other cell of mine broke the copper pipe from within like reaping paper with your hands. An amazing pressure I must tell you to reap a copper pipe from within.

The Mg inside is intact with a cover of black and the mix is solid. Adding water produces 30ma or power, very impressive.

So I have many cells that together are building the story of how this thing behaves and what are the major factors.

Fausto.

Plengo,

"The MnO2 will absorb the Hydrogen production and help reducing oxidation (I think)"

I also have been doing research on hydrogen absorption, it seems to clog the power of these cells, and there is a history of this being a problem in the early batteries

Along with the same thought, I decided to followup on adding the fuel cell idea to the cell as well

our cells create hydrogen and oxygen breakup, and we gain power, the fuel cell collects hydrogen and oxygen and put them back into water also gaining power

Thereby gaining two power sources and removing hydrogen that clogs the cell power

Some luck with this, but platinum is not cheap
Chapter 3: Electrochemistry - build a hydrogen fuel cell

Best of luck

[b_rads]

Bubble Gum, Elmer's Glue, Potato ?

Potato Battery

Quote from the referenced site:
Desiree potatoes about the size of a standard mobile phone, though they say the type and size of potato slice do not determine its power.
The device had the same basic components as conventional batteries, consisting of two electrodes separated by an electrolyte (the potato). Each battery powered a small light for 20 hours, after which a new slice could be inserted. (another article referenced of this suggested zinc and copper were used).

[plengo]

Plengo,
"Now i ALSO have some cells that the magnesium became 100% white-ish and very soft. Usually when that happens I give the cell up and it is trash BUT I found out that if you build the cell with a enough internal structure to not let the white oxidized magnesium fall apart it still works."

Very interesting findings, The grey-white mush still has room to break down?

Also Kelvin's Thunderstorm, I have looked into this as well, very high voltage

letting the Alum solidify with Mg inside first, before adding water, I think you are right on the money with your observation


One thing I noticed on my cells, is heat plays a big roll in the power, does yours do the same thing?

Best of luck

P.S. nice cut on the cells

Yes, heat increase power. My cells off course run on room temperature.

I am playing with one formula (94 in my notes) that is working extremely well. It is Activated Carbon, Sand and MnO2. The MnO2 will absorb the Hydrogen production and help reducing oxidation (I think). If H2 is not free to fly and build up it must be absorbed by the mix which is reused by the water molecules and therefore improve power.

This particular cell using that formula was almost dead (after running for over 6 months) and when I added very little water again, she is running full blast 5 10mm LEDs with no Oscillator giving easily 5 to 10ma (since the LEDs are full brigthness). This is very, very interesting.

The cell is rock solid inside, so letting it dry and only than add water again really worked plus the MnO2 that stops gas build up and also the cell of growing too much in size.

What I mean by growing in size is that the cells expand in size with time to the point one other cell of mine broke the copper pipe from within like reaping paper with your hands. An amazing pressure I must tell you to reap a copper pipe from within.

The Mg inside is intact with a cover of black and the mix is solid. Adding water produces 30ma or power, very impressive.

So I have many cells that together are building the story of how this thing behaves and what are the major factors.

Fausto.

[Allwest]

No this is not using the grease, only activated carbon, sand and alum.

Btw, the picture is from a cell that I cut it in half using a bend saw and one can clearly see the level of corrosion internally. The rest of the cell is pretty much the same.

Now i ALSO have some cells that the magnesium became 100% white-ish and very soft. Usually when that happens I give the cell up and it is trash BUT I found out that if you build the cell with a enough internal structure to not let the white oxidized magnesium fall apart it still works.

Off course the wire attached to the Mg get loose but I inserted a cooper rod straight inside that white Mg and it still works like a charm.

I am totally confused with this finding (while it does explain why certain cells of mine are running over 1 year). One would think that if the Mg gets that corroded (white) it would no longer produce energy but in my case it is working just fine.

I noticed that excessive water and alum will corrode anything BUT if you build this and let it dry and when it becomes a rock solid inside than adding water makes no difference any longer and the cell works very well.

I am concluding that those cells are two things at once. One is the regular corrosion (galvanic reaction) and the other is the fuel cell part of it.

Now I understand WHY Bedini makes his cell rock solid first by melting and letting is solidify with Mg inside while having the locked water molecules in the mix (via for example with Epson or something that have many molecules of H20).

I am pretty confident now that with proper building one can indeed create a fuel cell out of this thing (fuel cell in the sense that water is converted into electricity and its molecules parts like O2 and H2).

Another cell of mine has the oxidizer inhibitor (MnO2) and also works very well helping to avoid the Mg becoming white.

Too much water on the cell before it is rock solid will kill the cell.

Now I am playing with a new geometry internally where Mg can become white and not break apart therefore continue running and also provide a good region of growth for the Alum.

Alum to me is the one that creates infinitely small tubes where the water flows and breaks apart into its components. As the water breaks apart it gives off its "electrons" and also generate a magnetic field inside the cell that cuts the metal and, by Faraday's law, create a flow of current because of the changing magnetic field.

This is just my opinion but I am starting to understand how this water thing is so important for those cells.

Watch this video (A Physics Lecture, and demonstration at MIT -- Kelvin's Thunderstorm "Water Battery" - YouTube) and you quickly will realize that water when falling will be oriented by the Earths magnetic field and as they do they build up a very local magnetic field and grows as the water falls. This magnetic field will cut those metal pipes of the structure of the aparatus and create "electricity". So does the crystal cell.

Fausto.

Plengo,
"Now i ALSO have some cells that the magnesium became 100% white-ish and very soft. Usually when that happens I give the cell up and it is trash BUT I found out that if you build the cell with a enough internal structure to not let the white oxidized magnesium fall apart it still works."

Very interesting findings, The grey-white mush still has room to break down?

Also Kelvin's Thunderstorm, I have looked into this as well, very high voltage

letting the Alum solidify with Mg inside first, before adding water, I think you are right on the money with your observation


One thing I noticed on my cells, is heat plays a big roll in the power, does yours do the same thing?

Best of luck

P.S. nice cut on the cells

[plengo]

Plengo,

Are these the grease cells?

No this is not using the grease, only activated carbon, sand and alum.

Btw, the picture is from a cell that I cut it in half using a bend saw and one can clearly see the level of corrosion internally. The rest of the cell is pretty much the same.

Now i ALSO have some cells that the magnesium became 100% white-ish and very soft. Usually when that happens I give the cell up and it is trash BUT I found out that if you build the cell with a enough internal structure to not let the white oxidized magnesium fall apart it still works.

Off course the wire attached to the Mg get loose but I inserted a cooper rod straight inside that white Mg and it still works like a charm.

I am totally confused with this finding (while it does explain why certain cells of mine are running over 1 year). One would think that if the Mg gets that corroded (white) it would no longer produce energy but in my case it is working just fine.

I noticed that excessive water and alum will corrode anything BUT if you build this and let it dry and when it becomes a rock solid inside than adding water makes no difference any longer and the cell works very well.

I am concluding that those cells are two things at once. One is the regular corrosion (galvanic reaction) and the other is the fuel cell part of it.

Now I understand WHY Bedini makes his cell rock solid first by melting and letting is solidify with Mg inside while having the locked water molecules in the mix (via for example with Epson or something that have many molecules of H20).

I am pretty confident now that with proper building one can indeed create a fuel cell out of this thing (fuel cell in the sense that water is converted into electricity and its molecules parts like O2 and H2).

Another cell of mine has the oxidizer inhibitor (MnO2) and also works very well helping to avoid the Mg becoming white.

Too much water on the cell before it is rock solid will kill the cell.

Now I am playing with a new geometry internally where Mg can become white and not break apart therefore continue running and also provide a good region of growth for the Alum.

Alum to me is the one that creates infinitely small tubes where the water flows and breaks apart into its components. As the water breaks apart it gives off its "electrons" and also generate a magnetic field inside the cell that cuts the metal and, by Faraday's law, create a flow of current because of the changing magnetic field.

This is just my opinion but I am starting to understand how this water thing is so important for those cells.

Watch this video (A Physics Lecture, and demonstration at MIT -- Kelvin's Thunderstorm "Water Battery" - YouTube) and you quickly will realize that water when falling will be oriented by the Earths magnetic field and as they do they build up a very local magnetic field and grows as the water falls. This magnetic field will cut those metal pipes of the structure of the aparatus and create "electricity". So does the crystal cell.

Fausto.

[b_rads]

Black Oxide

When magnesium is in contact with water a black oxide coating is formed on the metal surface as a result of a chemical reaction of the metal atoms with an oxidizing agent. Zinc will do the same thing according to this site:
http://www.substech.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=phosphate_coating
Taking the weight of the negative electrode prior to being placed in the cell and at some fixed interval will give an indication to the life of the electrode.
Bad News: this is a redox action.
Good New: an electrode of substantial size would probably outlast any circuit attached to it. Many people have placed magnesium/carbon, magnesium/copper in the ground and run circuits for years. Bill (Pirate88179) at Overunity.com has been running such a setup since 2009 and can light a 100 LED Christmas Light string from his (5 lb magnesium and carbon rods buried in the ground).
Lidmotor has such a setup in a flower pot. I have zinc/copper water battery (3 in series) that will be 2 years old in 45 days with no indication of stopping. With the great work on blocking oscillators by the guys working on this project, we can now get much greater potential than we ever could before.

Brad