Bedini Earth Light

[Allwest]

I've been working on the idea of mixing oil and water into one liquid for some time now. I do more than make mircoamp cells. I wanted a liquid that acted like water but was protective like oil. One of the my early attempts at making oil and water combine into one was when I also added in Alum, the kind John Bedini uses in his copper bowl cells, and got a amp reading of 5.58mA from two small electrodes. The picture below shows this. This was one of the cells that showed good promise of high power output but was far from perfect. This combined liquid affects each electrodes differently. Some electrodes paired correctly won't even create hydrogen bubbles which is odd because the same electrodes in water will create the bubbles. The lack of creating hydrogen bubbles makes the theory of these cells being a fuel cell hard to grasp, but I can only speak for the cells that use this liquid.

I hope this research is helpful to others, let me know what you think.

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Have you tried conductive grease on the mag, and place in water?

[Allwest]

I opened one of my cells that have been running for about 6 months or more non stop and to my surprise the level of corrosion is minimal but the best is that around the Magnesium some black skin is formed that seems to be protecting it.

Fausto.

Plengo,

Are these the grease cells?

[CrystalDipoleMatrix]

Black protective layer on Magnesium

I opened one of my cells that have been running for about 6 months or more non stop and to my surprise the level of corrosion is minimal but the best is that around the Magnesium some black skin is formed that seems to be protecting it.

Fausto.

That's the same effect I have noticed after removing the magnesium rod from the ground. If it doesn't rain for a while, the joule thief doesn't care and the light stays bright at night. After a couple of months of decent constant lightning, a thick solid brown/black layer builds up on the Mag and it doesn't seems to deteriorate at all. Every times it rains outside, the white led gets it's intensity right up. The copper stays black and there is no signs of degradation. I really think we should focus on what this protective layer is made of ??.

It's like on the water fuel cell. On the stainless steel plate, after the conditioning process, a withish powdery layer is forming on the negative plate and the water fuel cell dramatically incrases it's hho production. For more effeciency, we need a freqency generator for the resonnance of the cell.

In the case of a crystal battery, it's the opposite. I think we need to condition the magnesium but the joule thief is acting like a resonnance device for more power output of the cell ?? I do think that the cell is actually our input (vs: wfc is the output) and the JT is part of the output. We need to investigate on this but I'm sure John Bedini is already aware of what's really going on.

[ibpointless2]

I opened one of my cells that have been running for about 6 months or more non stop and to my surprise the level of corrosion is minimal but the best is that around the Magnesium some black skin is formed that seems to be protecting it.

Fausto.

Great to hear from you Plengo!

Black corrosion is good and white corrosion is bad. White corrosion is destructive and black corrosion is protective. Certain combinations of liquids will create this black layer and others will create white layers.

Do you have anymore cells like this?

[plengo]

I opened one of my cells that have been running for about 6 months or more non stop and to my surprise the level of corrosion is minimal but the best is that around the Magnesium some black skin is formed that seems to be protecting it.

Fausto.

[ibpointless2]

I've been working on the idea of mixing oil and water into one liquid for some time now. I do more than make mircoamp cells. I wanted a liquid that acted like water but was protective like oil. One of the my early attempts at making oil and water combine into one was when I also added in Alum, the kind John Bedini uses in his copper bowl cells, and got a amp reading of 5.58mA from two small electrodes. The picture below shows this. This was one of the cells that showed good promise of high power output but was far from perfect. This combined liquid affects each electrodes differently. Some electrodes paired correctly won't even create hydrogen bubbles which is odd because the same electrodes in water will create the bubbles. The lack of creating hydrogen bubbles makes the theory of these cells being a fuel cell hard to grasp, but I can only speak for the cells that use this liquid.

I hope this research is helpful to others, let me know what you think.

[ibpointless2]

So the problem I run into is that from my studies water corrodes the electrodes in a cell. Oil on the other hand does not harm the electrodes of the cells but oil doesn't give you any voltage either. Its pretty much black or white, either you want power with corrosion or you want no power with no corrosion and it seems there is no gray area? What if we could get the best of both worlds? The power of water but the protective nature of oil? We all know water and oil don't mix, or do they? A liquid that was conductive like water but protected the metals like oil does. In the picture below you see oil on top, water at the bottom and new liquid that has combined oil and water into one liquid. Its a liquid that is conductive like water but protective like oil. It gives you your voltage and the amps you seek that water normally gives you but also gives you that layer of protection that oil gives you. I've been searching awhile for this type of liquid, I'm still trying to perfect the technique.

[Allwest]

John,

I hope all went well for you at the conference, and you made enough money to keep up with your R&D

I wanted to thank you for your investigation and explanation on LaserSaber air battery
LaserSaber air battery update 2 - YouTube

That you call the Earth Light 2
Earth Light 2 - YouTube

Best of luck

[cgalvisardila]

Hi John,

I know you're waiting for my response but sometimes the best thing said is nothing at all. The one thing I'll never forget about you is that you're a great person to debate with.

well, i know exactly where i wanna be, learning not debating... whats that good for? i read too many opinions, too little improvement in this forum... my latest cell is still running the led, seems like something similar to your capacitor effect ib, couse the meters are reading very near 0V, and absolute 0Ma... the light is faint, but its there... its been 6 months now, will be posting on the new forum from now on.

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get over it you 2, don't be ungrateful... bedini is a good teacher, be glad he's even responding, he's got his hands full my friends, hes going for the big one... you should see his work on the monopole motors, how he and his team take the time to help everyone build them, it's an awesome workshop they have, open sourced and with detailed building and testing instructions... serious work. and it will be the same with the batteries soon, you say all he does is start arguments?, that's unbelievable, from what i have seen, he has done the best cells BY FAAAAR, working non stop... and he has showed how to build them and showed the tests he does in detail... opinions don't matter much to me... ive seen wonderful experiments and ideas in this forum, stick with that...

By the way, you wanna see how these can power your home? if these cells reach at least 1Amp (which bedini did, 3Amp actually), you can put them in series to get 12V and run a monopole motor charger and recycle, revive and recharge old batteries in banks, get a big bank of junk batteries from the trash, ready to be flushed into the aquifer and poison our water, revive them and get them going, with the radiant pulses from the motor they can be fixed, some up to 110% performance and last for many years. John B. powers his workshop like this as i understand (correct me if i'm wrong John), and there's a lot of machines in his workshop.... there's your system for your home, its closer than it seems, look in the new forum if you don't believe me... cheers, good work ib, i like your observation of the capacitor...

carlos

[ibpointless2]

ibpointless2,
Rather then sit here and argue with you about everything with crystal cells why not build something that works. Chuck and I did solve the problem with Alum cells. So I guess I could say in my opinion, I would say your wrong about what really happens and how much they generate in watt hours. I thought you would have figured this out by now. Like for example the oscillator circuit and how it really works with an energy source far below the trigger point, how does it run?
Magnesium is not a problem if you mix the correct chemicals. I have alum cells that have been running now going on 2 years with no problem, in fact I showed them at the last conference so people could examine them, nothing hidden. Why you keep injecting a bunch of crap on the subject is beyond me. If you have it figured out then show it running lights motors or something that uses current because that is what is going to count in the end. So now that you have everybody totally confused about this subject nobody has anything except your words of whit. Typical of mixing up subjects, in other words no focus to finalize one thing that works. Don't bother to answer that you have cells running on micro currents forever, the dirt has that. I would rather post somewhere else then deal with your confusion of subjects on anything.
John

Hi John,

I know you're waiting for my response but sometimes the best thing said is nothing at all. The one thing I'll never forget about you is that you're a great person to debate with.

[CrystalDipoleMatrix]

ibpointless2,
Rather then sit here and argue with you about everything with crystal cells why not build something that works. Chuck and I did solve the problem with Alum cells. So I guess I could say in my opinion, I would say your wrong about what really happens and how much they generate in watt hours. I thought you would have figured this out by now. Like for example the oscillator circuit and how it really works with an energy source far below the trigger point, how does it run?
Magnesium is not a problem if you mix the correct chemicals. I have alum cells that have been running now going on 2 years with no problem, in fact I showed them at the last conference so people could examine them, nothing hidden. Why you keep injecting a bunch of crap on the subject is beyond me. If you have it figured out then show it running lights motors or something that uses current because that is what is going to count in the end. So now that you have everybody totally confused about this subject nobody has anything except your words of whit. Typical of mixing up subjects, in other words no focus to finalize one thing that works. Don't bother to answer that you have cells running on micro currents forever, the dirt has that. I would rather post somewhere else then deal with your confusion of subjects on anything.
John

Thank you for posting again John. I'm totally with you in this quest. Personally, I have the proof that someting really strange is happening with Magnesium, fired black copper, water and the blocking oscillator. It's been months since I burried the MG and Copper into the ground with some distance appart to see how long it will go on lights. It just never quit!! The strange thing is that there is a black coating all over the magnesium rod, protecting it from corrosion. I am sure, personally. The same thing with a wet paper towel around an MG rod pressed into a burned copper cap. The same thing is happening. After a while the MG turns black. But the light still going full brightness! Before this very simple experiment I was getting a king of white paste aroung the MG (Sure it was magnesium carbonate) with alum and other salts. After a while the rod corroded because of the very alkaline solution.

[John_Bedini]

I will not argue with anyone

ibpointless2,
Rather then sit here and argue with you about everything with crystal cells why not build something that works. Chuck and I did solve the problem with Alum cells. So I guess I could say in my opinion, I would say your wrong about what really happens and how much they generate in watt hours. I thought you would have figured this out by now. Like for example the oscillator circuit and how it really works with an energy source far below the trigger point, how does it run?
Magnesium is not a problem if you mix the correct chemicals. I have alum cells that have been running now going on 2 years with no problem, in fact I showed them at the last conference so people could examine them, nothing hidden. Why you keep injecting a bunch of crap on the subject is beyond me. If you have it figured out then show it running lights motors or something that uses current because that is what is going to count in the end. So now that you have everybody totally confused about this subject nobody has anything except your words of whit. Typical of mixing up subjects, in other words no focus to finalize one thing that works. Don't bother to answer that you have cells running on micro currents forever, the dirt has that. I would rather post somewhere else then deal with your confusion of subjects on anything.
John

Oh my. Ok then. I will not argue with anyone especially when it comes to Bedini's cells. I know what his cells are, how they actually work, and how long they last. I know what he's trying to do and to start a argument about it on internet will be pointless. Time will let all truths be told.

Cheers friend

[prato_braun]

Relax guys

Hey everybody,

I just wanted to let you know that there's another thread and that JB is supposedly only posting there as some people asked him to comment here again.
I highly suggest to keep this thread running as it has so much diverse methods and their history but you might wanna check for updates on the other, too.
It doesn'T have to be one or the other

Cheers and rock on,

Prato

PS: Plengo how are your cells doing and which is your favorite?

[Allwest]

I disagree with both of you ibpointless and Allwest.

I would rather study something that ACTUALLY works.


John K.

John K

I think it would be a good idea for you to go over there and lay under the porch of a big dog, and when you are ready,..... come back here and sit on the front porch with the big dogs

Best of luck

[ibpointless2]

I disagree with both of you ibpointless and Allwest.

I would rather study something that ACTUALLY works.


John K.

Oh my. Ok then. I will not argue with anyone especially when it comes to Bedini's cells. I know what his cells are, how they actually work, and how long they last. I know what he's trying to do and to start a argument about it on internet will be pointless. Time will let all truths be told.

Cheers friend