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[John_Bedini]

you must make it

John,
Is the following applicable?
Magnesium Aluminum Silicate, Type IA, NF
Thank you for the clarification.
Very Best Regards,
Jim

Jim,
You must make it.
John

[FrozenWaterLab]

heptahydrate???

Which heptahydrates will work with John's cells.
Could it be related to metal silicates used as a conductive strain relieving layer in piezo transistors ? Or could it be related to a process used in semiconductors that John was familiar with long ago.

I think it is simple but maybe not soda ash but more like when he doped a mix heavily with selenium, the kiln set about 850C then after that I could not guess what was a the hepita. But there are limited number of hepta hydrates
and this is where we are and without kiln.

What are the heptahydrates that you have mentioned?
I am one of the worst chemists posable.
This is something I know very little about.
Any help anyone gives is appreciated.
There must be alot of study info out there,
but I do not know in what direction to look even.
FrznWtr

[ibpointless2]

Ibpointless,
Lets go over this again. You have two things here that are not going to work correctly, 1 the Water Glass, 2 the Salt Substitute these two can not be mixed together as everything will corrode and you will not get much power.

In the last post to you I said that you could combine a Heptahydrate, meaning Epsom Salts, with a Hydrate meaning the crystals of Sodium Silicate, this must all be cooked together. You may add Aluminum grains or Magnesium Grains. At the right Temp they will combine to form either Aluminum Silicate or Magnesium Silicate. This is your medium then and you can use the copper and the Magnesium in the cell. You can not cook down the Water Glass as it is not the same thing, if you cook down the Water Glass and add the grains you may not get the same reaction and it is questionable whether it will work or not in the cell. The timing is very important when cooking the crystals and grains as to not cook it to much or it will turn to solid and you will not be able to make the cell.
John B

yes I agree about using sodium silicate and salt substitute, I've experienced this first hand and found that when these two combine it corrodes like crazy. Sodium silicate and Salt substitute don't go together.

Yes agreed again with what you stated, Sodium silicate and Epsom salt do ok together. I have not have not cooked them yet but in their wet states they don't corrode the magnesium as easy. This is good news. I will be cooking them like you said when i get the chance, I like to start off covering most bases before I jump into anything.

I do thank you for this response, it has answer so many questions. I know what you mean by timing now and cooking it too much is bad. Its all starting to make perfect sense now! Chuck said you'll make a video on the cells that powers the lamp, what is the voltage reading and amp reading on just single cell using that mix?

I think I may also have stumbled apon another mix that uses the heptahydrate and something else. This something else made me laugh because its a ingredient that makes you think "why didn't I do this from the start?". I'm testing it right not, the amps are not great yet but i'm getting over 1.650 volts @ 700uA. I'm doing my simple test to see if holds up. The simple test is just letting magnesium ribbon sit in the mix and seeing if it corrodes. When the mix passes the simple test I'll post the mix, some might find it funny.

Thanks again John Bedini its starting to make sense.

[jehdds]

John,
Is the following applicable?
Magnesium Aluminum Silicate, Type IA, NF
Thank you for the clarification.
Very Best Regards,
Jim

[John_Bedini]

Sodium Silicate

Ibpointless,
Lets go over this again. You have two things here that are not going to work correctly, 1 the Water Glass, 2 the Salt Substitute these two can not be mixed together as everything will corrode and you will not get much power.

In the last post to you I said that you could combine a Heptahydrate, meaning Epsom Salts, with a Hydrate meaning the crystals of Sodium Silicate, this must all be cooked together. You may add Aluminum grains or Magnesium Grains. At the right Temp they will combine to form either Aluminum Silicate or Magnesium Silicate. This is your medium then and you can use the copper and the Magnesium in the cell. You can not cook down the Water Glass as it is not the same thing, if you cook down the Water Glass and add the grains you may not get the same reaction and it is questionable whether it will work or not in the cell. The timing is very important when cooking the crystals and grains as to not cook it to much or it will turn to solid and you will not be able to make the cell.
John B

[ibpointless2]

Here is a lamp I built that John had purchased and he removed the single LED "2 C cell flickering yellow fixture" We built a "sealed" heptahydrate cell that actually has 2 cells in 1 unit that is in parallel for current. This Crystal heptahydrate cell powers the osc circuit to run the LED that you see in the lit tube in the lantern. Cell is in the base. Osc circuit and LED are in the small black box that the lit tube sits on. Marcus Reids cells only provide 2 Ma of current. This sealed crystal cell heptahydrate produces more current. The "mix" is not avaliable. SO DON'T ASK WHAT IT IS. It holds a pretty stable current (varies about 2Ma). These are not easy to make as you need a kiln and some very hard to aquire materials as well as a machine shop to make these sealed crystal cells. WE WILL POST A VIDEO ON THIS LAMP AT A LATER TIME.

So its a cell that contains Sodium silicate and Epsom salt. If this is true i find it odd because I'm working on the same thing but the sodium silicate is still wet and not dry. So far the Epsom salt does melt into the sodium silicate and gives a big boost of power (1.8mA). I left the magnesium in the mix to watch if it corrodes by the next morning. By the next morning the magnesium is fine but it seems to loose a bit of mA's. I look forward to the video of the lamp.

[b_rads]

I like it!!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2-5NTl2Vwo

Thanks,

Brad S

[jehdds]

Here is a lamp I built that John had purchased and he removed the single LED "2 C cell flickering yellow fixture" We built a "sealed" heptahydrate cell that actually has 2 cells in 1 unit that is in parallel for current. This Crystal heptahydrate cell powers the osc circuit to run the LED that you see in the lit tube in the lantern. Cell is in the base. Osc circuit and LED are in the small black box that the lit tube sits on. Marcus Reids cells only provide 2 Ma of current. This sealed crystal cell heptahydrate produces more current. The "mix" is not avaliable. SO DON'T ASK WHAT IT IS. It holds a pretty stable current (varies about 2Ma). These are not easy to make as you need a kiln and some very hard to aquire materials as well as a machine shop to make these sealed crystal cells. WE WILL POST A VIDEO ON THIS LAMP AT A LATER TIME.

Chuck,
Thank you for the update. Quick question. Thanks for additional inspiration to keep trying to improve.
Very Best Regards,
Jim
Sorry About Asking.... couldnt help myself

Ok, I will withdraw the question and rephrase:
Are you and John planning on showing any additional work on or expanding the work on the glass electrolyte based cell system in the future or is that a topic that needs to be for a new thread?
Very Best Regards,
Jim

[chuck H]

heptahydrates

Here is a lamp I built that John had purchased and he removed the single LED "2 C cell flickering yellow fixture" We built a "sealed" heptahydrate cell that actually has 2 cells in 1 unit that is in parallel for current. This Crystal heptahydrate cell powers the osc circuit to run the LED that you see in the lit tube in the lantern. Cell is in the base. Osc circuit and LED are in the small black box that the lit tube sits on. Marcus Reids cells only provide 2 Ma of current. This sealed crystal cell heptahydrate produces more current. The "mix" is not avaliable. SO DON'T ASK WHAT IT IS. It holds a pretty stable current (varies about 2Ma). These are not easy to make as you need a kiln and some very hard to aquire materials as well as a machine shop to make these sealed crystal cells. WE WILL POST A VIDEO ON THIS LAMP AT A LATER TIME.

[jehdds]

Guys,
Here is a video showing what NextGen1967 advised to use as a constituent.
IB, here is again a confirmation of sustained pressure effect on current.
Getting Closer to Solid State - YouTube
Very Best Regards,
Jim

[ibpointless2]

If you use the right electrodes you don't need to worry about them corroding, just like how the Karpen Pile works. The Karpen Pile uses gold and platinum electrodes which will not corrode and its been running for over 60 years now. I'm sure their is a mix of crystals out their that won't damage the electrodes and give a continuous output of power, case in point the Marcus Reid cells.

So finding the correct mix can be just as important as finding the right electrode. I have come up with a idea that uses a anode that doesn't corrode easily. What Has been on this earth for billions of years, is everywhere, and cheap? Rocks! I know it sounds crazy but rocks would be a great anode. Mother nature has given us a great anode to use, they hold up very well and to all types of weather and many are found under the ocean so we know they can handle salt water. Different rocks will give different voltages and amps but so far the ones out of my driveway give me 350mV when I use it with copper. This is not bad. The key will be finding the correct rock that gives us the most power. The rock should hold up well in a water solution since its been dealing with water and all types of weather for billions of years.

Now I know John Bedini you use to go searching for rocks when you were younger, what would you suggest to be a good rock anode?

[mikrovolt]

Which heptahydrates will work with John's cells.
Could it be related to metal silicates used as a conductive strain relieving layer in piezo transistors ? Or could it be related to a process used in semiconductors that John was familiar with long ago.

I think it is simple but maybe not soda ash but more like when he doped a mix heavily with selenium, the kiln set about 850C then after that I could not guess what was a the hepita. But there are limited number of hepta hydrates
and this is where we are and without kiln.

[ibpointless2]

The problem is not in what mix we use, whether it be a crystal mix or a water mix. The problem is with our electrodes. If you use the right electrodes you won't have to worry about corrosion. http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Karpen's_Pile_--_A_Battery_That_Has_Produced_Energy_Continuously_S ince_1950s

You can use what ever you want to use if you use the correct electrodes. The even bigger question is where do you get the correct electrodes for cheap? We need to make custom electrodes that have the best features of magnesium but don't corrode like magnesium.

[ibpointless2]

A bit of bad news. The cup I had Sodium silicate with some salts in it has corroded the magnesium and some of the copper. The corrosion was so bad that when I removed the magnesium from the cup it broke in half. The magnesium did build up a oxide layer to protect itself but it seems that it was not enough. So adding salts is not the best idea.

The cup with only sodium silicate in it still has its electrodes looking like new but the magnesium is developing a oxide layer much like the cell with the salt in it but its forming where the sodium silicate meets the air. This is not a problem as their is ways to stop this from happening. The bad new is that this cell is only giving 30uA while the one that had salts added to it was giving over 1mA. Now i am worried, i fear that the cell will corrode away too but will take longer.

I also took a big piece of aluminum and heated some sodium silicate on it. The sodium silicate really does bubble a lot and I assume its all the water being released from it. I kept heating it till it stop bubbling and stuck my copper electrode in. I let it cool down and all i'm getting it 9mV. So it seems the water glass is useless without the water. I'm starting to loose hope in sodium silicate.

[ibpointless2]

This sodium silicate stuff keeps on getting more and more interesting. So I have two cups with copper and magnesium ribbon submerged in the sodium silicate and they're shorted out. In one cup is just plain sodium silicate (water glass) with its electrodes shorted out, and after one night of shorting out the electrodes still look fine and show no corrosion. In the other cup is sodium silicate too but it has salt substitute and Epsom salt in it as well. This cup number two is shorted out like cup one but something very different happen to it over night. Cup two looks like it has developed a oxide layer, this is not corrosion because the metal is still whole and does not have any metals flaking off and also its build on top of the magnesium. Also cup two still gives me the regular voltage of around 1.2V and its over 1mA too, so its like nothing change except the layer of oxide. After seeing corrosion so many times its nice to see something like a oxide layer develop instead of the metal slowly disappearing. I also have magnesium in a cup of water and it has now corroded but this was my control. this sodium silicate is a real winner in my eyes.

John Bedini, Are you saying to melt the sodium silicate with the Magnesium to make it into one? How would I combine it with the copper? Just re-heat it again? Is it better to have the sodium silicate as a liquid or a solid? To me a liquid's have always given the best amps readings. Don't the Reid cells have some liquid in them, maybe its a combination of dry and liquid sodium silicate?