Bedini Earth Light

[John_Bedini]

Rectenna'

Allen,
Look, build the thing and show it ok pal, so happy your in paradise using normal electrical current. Again just build it and show us. Such a typical answer, go ask Ibpointlass. I will wait for you to leave paradise and show us what we all did wrong with your youtube, then show where the energy is coming from with the correct scope and meters.
John

[Allen Burgess]

Rectenna'

Coating 2 x 1 shaped rectangles of aluminum foil with wet Sodium Silicate, then covering the top with copper foil, would focus the microwaves on the silica like a magnifying glass sunlight on a solar cell. Papering a wall with these mailing envelope shaped Crystal Power Cells would generate enough electric power to help run the home.

@JB,

Where does Ibepointless2 state his pure Silica Cell generates no amperage? I build plenty Pal. I'm on holiday right now in Paradise.

[John_Bedini]

Cosmovoltaic crystal cell.

Allen, first of all who is we? And second the antenna has been known for a long time so your not the inventor and it is just as stated an antenna of many antennas and you can put many antennas in spiral form in the palm of your hand developed by a well known university. Third this is just another picture and no video or useful information, Show us the working model on your kitchen table, after all seeing is believing and so far I'm not believing it.

Sodium Silicate Water Glass it it's present form does nothing of value except seal your engine block and guess what the crack does not get any bigger because of expansion, yes the dipole is formed without any current to support the load. I think it was stated by Ibpointless it developed no real current. This all says nothing if your not going to show the unit running, or is this a big secret ?. Did I not have a big discussion early on with you about Piezoelectric materials and still no results. so what is the game with you?.

This is all known stuff and Microwave Engineers for years have talked about transferring energy this way. Why bother with this group if your base is on Mars, or did your friends leave you behind to bother this group without a working models. You have opened a can of worms and now just prove it with a youtube or go on your marry way and bother somebody else. You can post all you want but I for one build things and show them, where is your working model. So please come back with more pictures and no model.
John B

[mikrovolt]

John Bedini and all,
I am interested in getting materials to make the star cell.
I have put off ordering magnesium until now. I am mostly
interested in what John and Chuck can say is their own.

There is definitely savings in quantity and this is needed
because these items are not common.
I believe you could do a small production run on:

black copper bowls
bag of mix
magnesium disks

I would like to hear from others on this.
What would you be willing to spend.
Are you good for $ 35
how about $ 45 ?
Are we talking $ 75
Based on 10 orders, 25 orders, 100 orders
How about discount based on ordering before February 10th.

The bigger the order the lower the cost.
Really need to ask everyone's cooperation in acting collectively.

[Allen Burgess]

@John Bedini,

You state that Water Glass does not conduct electricity. How do you account for the 700 millivolts Ibepointless2 generates from his tiny pure Water Glass, water dessicated cell?


"I also thought I would point out a control cell I made that is purely only sodium silicate (water glass) with copper and magnesium electrodes. This cell is fully dry and feels fragile like glass but after 2 days of drying out it is giving me 700mV. This just shows that sodium silicate does hold its own when dry. This cell was laid on a flat surface to make it dry faster and not much sodium silicate was used so that it would dry fast".

[Allen Burgess]

Cosmovoltaic crystal cell.

@Aaron,

Here's a build you can focus on:

We fabricated 3D photonic crystals such as the one shown in the photograph below. This, made out of ceramic material, was designed to exhibit a complete band gap at microwave frequencies. This is a Crystal Rectenna, or "Crystal Rectifying Recieving Antenna". I termed it a Cosmovoltaic Cell to distinguish it from, and compare it to a Photovoltaic Cell. The Power Cells this group are currently at work on are Hybrid Galvanic Microwave Rectennas. This is germain, and in no way off topic.

[Aaron]

New Thread

@John Bedini,

"The degree of expansion divided by the change in temperature is called the material's coefficient of thermal expansion and generally varies with temperature". Solidified Water Glass has a very large coefficient of thermal expansion. The maximum Crystal Power Cell output is temperature fixed, not variable. Heat controls the Lattice power reception frequency like a radio tuner. When the Crystal Power Cell lattice window is properly tuned to the microwave broadcast channel from Space, rectified electric power is generated. This is a COSMOVOLTAIC cell with a Plank constant of Sigma.

Hi Allen,

This is an interesting topic but would you mind starting a new thread about your Cosmovoltaic Cell ideas? This thread is primarily for building - exploring too many theories can make it difficult for people to focus on posts specific to the builds. I'm sure there are others that want to explore your ideas with you and to do it any justice, it should have its own thread.

[ibpointless2]

Since honey can crystallize I tried putting two electrodes in honey to see what i would get. I got about 1.1 volts @ 1uA. The honey I used might have not been the best to use since its be sitting in my pantree for a few years now and is a complete solid but honey doesn't expire. Honey is the most pure of foods and the people who lived the longest were known to be mostly bee keepers and they had a diet of mostly honey, just goes to show that honey is something else. Honey can crystallize and It would seem to work well for crystal batteries, maybe add some Epsom salt to the mix? Crystal honey batteries sounds crazy enough to work.

[ibpointless2]

Ibpointless,
I have made your cells and have tested them, they work like you say. But my needs are much higher in current for the oscillator. I also have alum cells that give more then 2 amps for hours I will be showing one at the next conference. Chuck and I have built hundred's of different kinds of cells. So I have tracked everything from the beginning that is why I disagree with Mr.Burgess on his theory. I have the equipment to measure what ever I want. I do not belittle anybody in the efforts they make. I wish I could tell the group what the Marcus Reid cell is, but again I gave my word so I guess I will die with it.

Lidmotor is correct about how hard it is to work with what I talked about, but wait until it gets much bigger. As for the plastic box ABS works the best for what I was talking about.

I get thousands of e-mails about where you get the parts so I do have Copper Bowels as we buy in quantity. The price of Magnesium changes day to day and so does the copper that makes it hard to keep a price, my Magnesium rounds are 2.025 in diameter but we machine them for the cells which makes it cost more. The copper bowels we do in a kiln so that is also costly.
The Oscillators we print and etch are own circuit boards in runs of 50 to 100 pieces. Since the Crystal Cells works at low voltage under load I have an Led manufacture I'm working with to developed a low voltage Led at 5Ma (Super Bright) I'm hoping soon to get them. You guys it seems must buy 3 ft minim + the shipping to get Magnesium anodes, but Chuck and I buy 50 to 100 feet at a time in 20' rods, the same goes for the chemicals.
So if I figure what everybody is paying for materials just one light is worth over $200 dollars in time and materials. I not even going to say what Marcus has spent but it is almost triple what I have done. I have got this group as close as I could to what Marcus's cell is. So like I said before I do not half to say anything and I find no need to argue with Mr.Burgess anymore here, He must prove what he is saying now about where the energy is coming from. So if the group needs materials I will see what we can do before it's machined and cooked. But Your cell does what you say.
John B

Thank you John Bedini for the quick response and for doing the replication of my cells. I greatly appreciate it.

[jehdds]

John,
Have you made any variants of the ZnO cells I have been tinkering with?
Thoughts?
Thank you for any feed back.
Jim

[John_Bedini]

Glue Cells

Ibpointless,
I have made your cells and have tested them, they work like you say. But my needs are much higher in current for the oscillator. I also have alum cells that give more then 2 amps for hours I will be showing one at the next conference. Chuck and I have built hundred's of different kinds of cells. So I have tracked everything from the beginning that is why I disagree with Mr.Burgess on his theory. I have the equipment to measure what ever I want. I do not belittle anybody in the efforts they make. I wish I could tell the group what the Marcus Reid cell is, but again I gave my word so I guess I will die with it.

Lidmotor is correct about how hard it is to work with what I talked about, but wait until it gets much bigger. As for the plastic box ABS works the best for what I was talking about.

I get thousands of e-mails about where you get the parts so I do have Copper Bowels as we buy in quantity. The price of Magnesium changes day to day and so does the copper that makes it hard to keep a price, my Magnesium rounds are 2.025 in diameter but we machine them for the cells which makes it cost more. The copper bowels we do in a kiln so that is also costly.
The Oscillators we print and etch are own circuit boards in runs of 50 to 100 pieces. Since the Crystal Cells works at low voltage under load I have an Led manufacture I'm working with to developed a low voltage Led at 5Ma (Super Bright) I'm hoping soon to get them. You guys it seems must buy 3 ft minim + the shipping to get Magnesium anodes, but Chuck and I buy 50 to 100 feet at a time in 20' rods, the same goes for the chemicals.
So if I figure what everybody is paying for materials just one light is worth over $200 dollars in time and materials. I'm not even going to say what Marcus has spent but it is almost triple what I have done. I have got this group as close as I could to what Marcus's cell is. So like I said before I do not half to say anything and I find no need to argue with Mr.Burgess anymore here, He must prove what he is saying now about where the energy is coming from. So if the group needs materials I will see what we can do before it's machined and cooked. But Your cell does what you say.
John B

[plengo]

IB ---- I believe that the paper plays a role in how they work. The type of paper and the chemicals in the paper may be the unknown (element "x") factor.
Lidmotor

Oh yes, absolutely the paper makes a difference. I have been using it and changing its quantity for a long time. Paper does filter the electrolyte out of the Mg and helps the crystallization through it. Look at my last videos (Crystal Cell 15 and 16a/b) and you will see.

Fausto.

[ibpointless2]

IB ---- I made a bunch of your glue batteries and the results varried. Something that you didn't look at very closely (nor did I) ---was the paper. I believe that the paper plays a role in how they work. The type of paper and the chemicals in the paper may be the unknown (element "x") factor. The reason that I mention this is that I one day (long ago) I was examining one of your simple Elmer's glue, copper, and magnesium cells and turned it over to examine the back side of the paper. For some reason I asked myself, " I wonder if I place a chip of calcium cloride on the back of the paper if it would draw moisture out of the air, leak that through the paper, and hydrate the cell from the back side. It worked. The next question was, " OK great but for how long and won't it just eat up the Mg quickly." It didn't. What happened was the hydrated solution of calcium cloride spread out into the fibers of the paper, dried ---and recrystalized. It became some sort of weird self hydrating crystal cell. The first one that I made was built on 8-1-11 and is still able to run Penny. It is deteriorating yes, but the longevity was rather good considering the simplicity of the cell. John Bedini was the one who told me about calcium cloride way back when we working on the iron pyrite rock battery. They use it for deicing roads instead of salt up where he lives. It is also used for dehumidifing and Lowes sells the stuff under the product name "DampRid".

We have all made so many different kinds of cells by now that it is hard to keep track of all of them. I usually toss my failures right away but the semi-success cells (the ones that started out strong but became weaklings) I have hung onto to see what happened. I am surprised how many are still alive even though they don't have much amperage to give. The pure galvanic-- copper,magnesium, and water cells seem to have an unlimited shelf life if they are dried out and kept dry. A little water and the chemical reaction starts right back up again. Dry it out completely and it stops. All my cement batteries from the "olden days" still show about 1 volt ---but with little amperage to back it up.

Lidmotor

I never seen the paper playing any role in the cells. I even made a couple on plastic and some had the glue mix directly onto the metals. Some glue cell mixes would die over time if you used the wrong mix, it was very important to use Epsom salt and Morton's salt substitute and Elmer's Glue-All. Someone else has message me about my crystal glue cells not working for them and I can't figure it out. He says he's doing exactly like I say but I don't know. I have Crystal Glue cells that are still alive since April and is not on paper and never needs water; By alive I mean its at 1.450 volts but like 10uA. If you like Lidmotor I could send you one of my cells by mail to test it out.

If John Bedini wants one too I could send him a Cell to play with too.

Once again thank you Lidmotor and other for taking time to test my cells.

[John_Bedini]

From Space

@John Bedini,

"The degree of expansion divided by the change in temperature is called the material's coefficient of thermal expansion and generally varies with temperature". Solidified Water Glass has a very large coefficient of thermal expansion. The maximum Crystal Power Cell output is temperature fixed, not variable. Heat controls the Lattice power reception frequency like a radio tuner. When the Crystal Power Cell lattice window is properly tuned to the microwave broadcast channel from Space, rectified electric power is generated. This is a COSMOVOLTAIC cell with a Plank constant of Sigma.

Mr. Burgess,
Please just show me what you have made, we are not talking about a normal Zinc Copper cell, or all of these batteries would have been dead a long time ago in my lab. I find no Microwave interference at all or anything that resembles that. Think about what you said about water glass. Chuck has done all these experiments with zinc it is totally useless in this cell. The heating of the Hydrate 5 in the mixture yields something else of which I can not say. Cosmo Voltaic for those that don't know, Voltaic Cell | CosmoLearning Chemistry

Water Glass has no conduction with electrodes in it do the experiment. The Marcus Reid cell does not work this way either. You just need to show us what you have built. Also show me the crystal batteries that produced the 60Amperes to run the gyros, unheard of in any channels that I deal with. For every year the military moves 44 years in advance of the normal population, by now 400 years in advance of us with technology, where are you on this scale?. Just show me what you have built and I will agree with you .
John B

[Lidmotor]

IB's "Glue Battery"

That's great to hear Lidmotor! Did you ever replicate the glue cells? is any of them (like the salt substitute and Epsom salt glue cell) still alive? Thank you for taking the time to replicate my cells.

IB ---- I made a bunch of your glue batteries and the results varried. Something that you didn't look at very closely (nor did I) ---was the paper. I believe that the paper plays a role in how they work. The type of paper and the chemicals in the paper may be the unknown (element "x") factor. The reason that I mention this is that I one day (long ago) I was examining one of your simple Elmer's glue, copper, and magnesium cells and turned it over to examine the back side of the paper. For some reason I asked myself, " I wonder if I place a chip of calcium chloride on the back of the paper if it would draw moisture out of the air, leak that through the paper, and hydrate the cell from the back side. It worked. The next question was, " OK great but for how long and won't it just eat up the Mg quickly." It didn't. What happened was the hydrated solution of calcium chloride spread out into the fibers of the paper, dried ---and recrystalized. It became some sort of weird self hydrating crystal cell. The first one that I made was built on 8-1-11 and is still able to run Penny. It is deteriorating yes, but the longevity was rather good considering the simplicity of the cell. John Bedini was the one who told me about calcium chloride way back when we working on the iron pyrite rock battery. They use it for deicing roads instead of salt up where he lives. It is also used for dehumidifing and Lowes sells the stuff under the product name "DampRid".

We have all made so many different kinds of cells by now that it is hard to keep track of all of them. I usually toss my failures right away but the semi-success cells (the ones that started out strong but became weaklings) I have hung onto to see what happened. I am surprised how many are still alive even though they don't have much amperage to give. The pure galvanic-- copper,magnesium, and water cells seem to have an unlimited shelf life if they are dried out and kept dry. A little water and the chemical reaction starts right back up again. Dry it out completely and it stops. All my cement batteries from the "olden days" still show about 1 volt ---but with little amperage to back it up.

Lidmotor