Bedini Earth Light

[NickZ]

Ok, guys, calm down, please... The insults will not help to make your point. If there is really something to be learned here, hopefully Jim will test it out, and let us know.
I think that there are many different frequencies and not just one type, such as like the microwaves, infrared, ultraviolet, radio waves, etz... So, different cells tap into different inputs, according to their geometry, and physical make up. I've been trying to differentiate the chemical process type cells (galvanic reaction), from the Aether conversion type cells. As they are not the same.
I also think that geometry has something to do with the two metals, or even carbon crystal cell's ability to pick-up those energies. But, would also like to hear more about it from those who are actually testing that, now.

My capacitor cells are dry as a bone, and use no salts, but are now showing some signs of voltage and current drop, (after some months). Especially in the cells that were not sealed up really air tight. So, that even without using any water at all, air is enough to kill a cell usefulness. And even in non-galvanic cells, oxidation the of metal does take place, if air is present.

[Allen Burgess]

Quote from John Bedini:

"the antennas are nowhere this size 2X1".

What do you call 6cm by 3cm if it's not 2x1? Take another look at the proportions in the picture of this 1/4 wave microwave antenna and try and pretend your right and I'm wrong. You act like a know it all!

You started off saying there was nothing on the web about the Marcus Reid Power Cell. I located an extensive article at Rex Research. The page has subsequently been removed. Water Glass was identified as the contents of the Reid cell, and the microwave theory was presented there as well. I graduated from Pensacola, and I wouldn't
trust either of you SQUID to shine my shoes.

My hunch is the 1/4 wave ratio shows up in the Reid Cell proportions, and the physical structure acts as a microwave reciever. Jehdds has generously offered to test this theory rather then to debunk it routinely as part of a cover up. You guys are nothing more then transparent VULTURE CAPITALISTS not with the proletariat.

[chuck H]

University

@Chuck H,

What university did you graduate from?

Allen, I must apologize as I did not graduate from an actual university. I don't believe the U.S Navy Submarine Electronic/Electrical/Nuke training is credible as a "university". So, I'm sorry for that. But for as what I stated... Please produce real results in the form of showing your work as I'm sure was required by your "university" professors as I had to with the U.S Navy...
Chuck H.

[NextGen1967]

@Allen Burgess,

Hmm, to avoid things heating up to much, and another one gets kicked out here, it is a good idea to consider that JB and Chuck have done a LOT of experimental tests... For this NO university education is even required.

What JB is just pointing out to you is that when 'all and everyone' starts to repeat to SAY what another person -might have- achieved, 'all and everyone' are at risk to believe in fairy tails.

Theory is only as good as its real life world experimental outcome.

No one forces you or tell you what you must or must not do, but it is a fair request, that if one person comes with statements, he or she should underline these statements with experimental replications.

Then there is also the 'healthy mind' to consider... if it was *THAT* easy to pick up energy, why is not everyone using it already and we see houses with sheet layers around their walls ?

As a matter of *fact*, it is reasonable to believe that somewhere in the next coming 5 years, there *might* be 'sheets' of material (transparent), which can attached to walls and windows, which indeed *does* that what you say, but as JB mentioned, this all is done on Nanometer scale, and is based on Graphene sheet material and is coated with a layer of IR sensitive material. (Most likely, this sheet will produce LESS energy per square meter than a standard solar panel, so again JB stated would have provided correct data).

As far as MY personal knowledge, just very recently an institutional body has indeed created energy out of nothing for the first time ever (their equipment was accurate enough to measure this energy above background noise). This 'energy' was however extremely small in quantity, and to be able to 'extract' this energy, MUCH more energy was spend in doing so. Nevertheless, it is the start of an *possible* new era in energy extraction.

The Image you shown just now, was an Microwave Resonator if I am correct, and this is a total different entity from what you described earlier on. this 'Resonator' rather collects -ALREADY PRODUCED- microwave energy, and concentrates it into a wanted -smaller- area of space... No silica was used here, and the antenna was a quarter wave, meaning the resulting retransmitted energy is quite some factor less... The impressive looking light effect is just a compression of -say- 500 watt worth of microwave radiation, compressed into a small space.. Like a magnifier in the sun would 'compress' the light bundle into a small area spot.

It would be a nice idea to place these disks on the walls of ones houses, but if they INDEED would work as well outside as in the microwave oven, then we humans would look like carbon fiber after spending 30 minutes being outside

For me personally, a good way to get a grasp of 'electricity', is to start with a simple bar magnet. Forget everything you ever did learn before, and ask yourself: Why does a magnet have field lines, and is it REALLY providing an attractive force, or could it -however unnatural it may sound- be an pushing force ? If the magnet is cut in TWO pieces, they become 2 distinct magnets, both having a N and S pole again... *what* is it that cause a S or N to happen... Pair forming of electrons? DO we all still continue to believe in such ? I think JB is ahead of most people in these area's.

Ooops, before you ask me about MY test.... Firstly, I do not post that often here, and I -try as best as I can- that *IF* I state something, I am very well prepared to underline such with test I have done. Secondly, I do and have done countless tests, more then you might ever imagine, for more then half of my life. I have made zillions of mistakes and continue to do so, BUT in between those mistakes, I slowly slowly get to the point to where I want to go (well at least I hope some day I'll get there).

I am located in a Paradise (well almost) place also, but it is my living place :-), and as for your info, I *DO* have my walls (rather roof) soon plated with sheets that will provide me all the energy I need in and around the place here, and is is TOTALLY 'free' energy (hehe of course after having paid a big pocked of money). [ without kidding, I got a really good deal on this one ].

--
Ron.

[John_Bedini]

battery

Allen, Keep sending the pictures, actually that's my field, but you need to be in the cosmic rays to get that energy, Typical answer John does not know what he is talking about, can you do any better then that. So, what are we build for you a flying saucer, you know something that is not related here. Why don't you say what you really mean, that you need help and can't figure it out.

As I said to you, "you" have opened a can of worms with me. So again I'm going to say we are not building Microwave devices from JNL Labs. Pal your at the wrong frequency, well maybe not for your cell phone or his experiments, but not here. Why don't you go start your own thread like Aaron told you. So keep the pictures coming it's funny now.

Your right you don't have to do anything I say since I never told you to do anything except, now I'm telling you to get lost, go throw your fit somewhere else and prove your experiment to the group. Don't come back with anymore of this poppycock until you show me the youtube as you have claimed this working device. What does a university have to do with any of this, you are so typical Chuck does not have to prove anything to you, but it's 5 stars how many do you have? Stop talking and just prove it.
John B

[Allen Burgess]

Derogatory remarks.

@Chuck H,

What university did you graduate from?

[chuck H]

Real testing.

@Aaron,

Here's a build you can focus on:

We fabricated 3D photonic crystals such as the one shown in the photograph below. This, made out of ceramic material, was designed to exhibit a complete band gap at microwave frequencies. This is a Crystal Rectenna, or "Crystal Rectifying Recieving Antenna". I termed it a Cosmovoltaic Cell to distinguish it from, and compare it to a Photovoltaic Cell. The Power Cells this group are currently at work on are Hybrid Galvanic Microwave Rectennas. This is germain, and in no way off topic.

Allen, We have Marcus Reid cells that were sent to us by Marcus himself for testing. We will test any cell for someone if they want. If you can
build something worth testing or can even show in a video please do! As for just ""ing the books please stop as this is disruptive to this thread as a whole! You have not shown that you really do any of this testing let alone even to build a cell! All I see is what I end up with on the bottom of my shoe when I walk through the cattle stock yards!

[Allen Burgess]

Rectenna.

@jehdds,

Two to one. These dimensions are essential to capture the wave. John dosen't know what he's talking about. JLN has a microwave oven plasma video with a pointer and base in two to one proportion to recieve the wave. I'll try and provide a link to it. Thank you for your very generous offer to help.

O.K. click on the picture below: Microwave frequency = 2.45 Gigahertz. Lambda is 12.2 centimeters. Follow this wavelength ratio exactly! That's the only special instructions, except it might help to heat the finished cell slowly with a hair dryer while it's upright to open the lattice with a multimeter attached.

@JB,

I don't have to do what you tell me to!

[FrozenWaterLab]

Electric Existence

Must say! All makes sense. Interesting!

[John_Bedini]

Beyond the light Rays

At All,
You know that if your going to collect ambient energy through this method that the antennas are nowhere this size 2X1. As a matter of fact it's in the nano range and you can get hundreds of antennas on one piece of material, not much power but it has been done by creditable universities. One university actually etched circuit board material with hundreds of antennas and it did work, but again not much power.
The other way is with hundreds of diodes in the correct arrangement, but again not much power. To do this you need a 100% transfer ratio so a material not of this earth must be developed, in other words a conversion of over 100% from ambient to electrical, and that would take in all radiation in all the spectrums. Moray beyond the light Rays.
John B

[John_Bedini]

Sodium silacate cell

Jim,
You have the stuff, do it he has said nothing about special instructions.
I know you can do this quick and I know you can measure the current.
about four or five pages back Ibpointlass uses water glass with Epsom salts probably because no current was developed and it did die off. just like the experiments I performed but mine never dried and it never gave any power it was pure sodium silicate just like you have..
John

[ibpointless2]

I really don't have a clue whats happening here but my name keeps getting brought up about the water glass control cell i made and the pressure cell's i made. The water glass (sodium silicate) "block sealer" is now at 600mV @ 0uA. It starts out at 600mV and then drops quick. The pressure cell which is in a copper tube and is crushed and contains Salt substitute in it is still alive. Some thing like 1.3 volts @ 3uA. These cells were only created to test idea's and not meant to power anything. I can upload a youtube video of the pressure cell and water glass cell but it might take awhile for it to upload as my speed is not that fast.

[jehdds]

[QUOTE=jehdds;177939]

Coating 2 x 1 shaped rectangles of aluminum foil with wet Sodium Silicate, then covering the top with copper foil, would focus the microwaves on the silica like a magnifying glass sunlight on a solar cell. Papering a wall with these mailing envelope shaped Crystal Power Cells would generate enough electric power to help run the home.

Allen,

I am ready to make this. Any special instruction for treating the Cu or Al?
Or just make as specified with no oxide pretreatment?

Very Best Regards,
Jim

By the way,
For Grins I assembled what I showed. The concept of Corrosive is not to be underestimated. It will be interesting to see what Allen's suggestion will result in. For now, It sounds like a bowl of rice crispy cereal.....
Jim

[jehdds]

[QUOTE=Allen Burgess;177933]Coating 2 x 1 shaped rectangles of aluminum foil with wet Sodium Silicate, then covering the top with copper foil, would focus the microwaves on the silica like a magnifying glass sunlight on a solar cell. Papering a wall with these mailing envelope shaped Crystal Power Cells would generate enough electric power to help run the home.

Allen,

I am ready to make this. Any special instruction for treating the Cu or Al?
Or just make as specified with no oxide pretreatment?

Very Best Regards,
Jim

[Lidmotor]

Test cell update

John, Chuck & All,
The small test cell that I made got harder today and I have it powering a little Hankscraft waving store display motor. It was only a practice test cell but I was pleased to see it work right out of the shoot. All my materials have arrived in the mail so I will start the real cell soon. I figured that a ABS box was the one to use. The Radio Shack project boxes are made out of that so I'll probably just use one of those. On the test cell I just used the lid of a small food container jar and it didn't melt. I was surprised how fast the mixture cooled.
I highly recommend that anyone else attempting to build this cell first practice the chemical melting phase using just cheap epsom salt to get a feel for it. That is the hardest part of this build. The heating of the copper to "cherry red" takes alot of heating also. Expect this cell to be VERY sticky and take time to harden.

Lidmotor