Bedini Earth Light

[chuck H]

IR

IB,Guys
Has anyone used a specific IR Laser or IR LED or Specific IR Source to shine on an OPEN Cell like the stovetop or otherwise to see if that spectrum is synergistic with the cell?
Just Thinking.............. alterations for
UV............huummm all with time.
Very Best Regards,
Jim

Jim, I did that but I don't remember what cell it was as I did not document it as I should have. That cell I used a IR thermometer and a pointing laser. I will try it tommorow at the lab with some of the new designs and see what happens. John may have done this as well but We did not discuss this to date.

Chuck H.

[jehdds]

Yes pressure can play a big role in the crystal cell. Applying pressure to any cell will give you the best power from it. Also Heat plays a role too.

IB,Guys
Has anyone used a specific IR Laser or IR LED or Specific IR Source to shine on an OPEN Cell like the stovetop or otherwise to see if that spectrum is synergistic with the cell?
Just Thinking.............. alterations for
UV............huummm all with time.
Very Best Regards,
Jim

[ibpointless2]

Based on IBs pressure test I decided to today build a cell where I can also try the pressure and see the results. The composite was Dry Sodium Silicate 2x, Activated Carbon 1x, Alum 1x. Mg is a flat bar of about 2" by 12". Very clean and strong Mg.

Sandwich the Mg with one Kitchen paper dry, on top the powder misture and above it (completing the sandwich) a tin layer of aluminum tape (used in air conditioning - you can see it on my videos).

This simple sandwich roughly put together produces about 2v and 10ma and ma goes down with time. Than I apply pressure with clamps and the voltage climbs back and current goes even higher than 10ma.

Paper towel is slightly humid so that the cell works. As time passes and current goes down and so it is the paper drying, I apply again pressure in different points and again current goes up.

Let's see how long I can do this without adding any water and just changing the location of the pressure points. I see no corrosion anywhere.

It is clear to me that pressure plays a role here.

Fausto.

Yes pressure can play a big role in the crystal cell. Applying pressure to any cell will give you the best power from it. Also Heat plays a role too.

[plengo]

Based on IBs pressure test I decided to today build a cell where I can also try the pressure and see the results. The composite was Dry Sodium Silicate 2x, Activated Carbon 1x, Alum 1x. Mg is a flat bar of about 2" by 12". Very clean and strong Mg.

Sandwich the Mg with one Kitchen paper dry, on top the powder misture and above it (completing the sandwich) a tin layer of aluminum tape (used in air conditioning - you can see it on my videos).

This simple sandwich roughly put together produces about 2v and 10ma and ma goes down with time. Than I apply pressure with clamps and the voltage climbs back and current goes even higher than 10ma.

Paper towel is slightly humid so that the cell works. As time passes and current goes down and so it is the paper drying, I apply again pressure in different points and again current goes up.

Let's see how long I can do this without adding any water and just changing the location of the pressure points. I see no corrosion anywhere.

It is clear to me that pressure plays a role here.

Fausto.

[blackchisel97]

@JB,

I'll be back Bemeani! "you just lost your marbles. Your words of choice and belittlement have no place in this group" you probably can't see the pot calling the Kettle black here can you. You guys are the ones who started taking the cheap shots, not me! You can't keep me off this forum you stinking fraud. Nice pep talk for free market economics. You're an idiot Bedini!

People like you are the very reason I don't work in closely knitted scientific societies but prefer independent and open source places - such as this. While I can be (and I'm constantly) impressed by one's achievements, I don't place same values on individuals with purely educational credentials especially, when they start to discriminate against others. I've seen enough of this crap during my life and made me change carrier rather than throwing someone out the window.
Aaron offered to open a new thread for you. Why you decided to stay and continue diverting this thread your direction and throwing insults? Internet doesn't make you anonymous. You're a real person behind your interface. Please behave like one before you sink too low to be able to swim.

V

[Allen Burgess]

Censorship

@JB,

I'll be back Bemeani! "you just lost your marbles. Your words of choice and belittlement have no place in this group" you probably can't see the pot calling the Kettle black here can you. You guys are the ones who started taking the cheap shots, not me! You can't keep me off this forum you stinking fraud. Nice pep talk for free market economics. You're an idiot Bedini!

[John_Bedini]

Quote from John Bedini

Quote from John Bedini:

"the antennas are nowhere this size 2X1".

What do you call 6cm by 3cm if it's not 2x1? Take another look at the proportions in the picture of this 1/4 wave microwave antenna and try and pretend your right and I'm wrong. You act like a know it all!
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I do not know everything, but I know one thing your not going to get any usable energy that way, well maybe with your cell phone or JNL's experiment.
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You started off saying there was nothing on the web about the Marcus Reid Power Cell. I located an extensive article at Rex Research. The page has subsequently been removed. Water Glass was identified as the contents of the Reid cell, and the microwave theory was presented there as well. I graduated from Pensacola, and I wouldn't
trust either of you SQUID to shine my shoes.
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You did not locate anything it was posted by Chuck and I from the beginning in picture form. As for Squid, I guess we must all be at a much lower class then yourself, and nobody would shine your shoes here. and it does not make much difference where you graduated from if the marbles go it one hole and out the other.--------------------------------------------------------------------------
My hunch is the 1/4 wave ratio shows up in the Reid Cell proportions, and the physical structure acts as a microwave reciever. Jehdds has generously offered to test this theory rather then to debunk it routinely as part of a cover up. You guys are nothing more then transparent VULTURE CAPITALISTS not with the proletariat.

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And no Marcus Reid's cells do not have anything to do with 1/4 wave microwave energy and they do not make up what your talking about.
And let me tell you about Capitalists without money as Westinghouse said to Tesla you cant build anything. The country is formed on Capitalist ideas, or maybe you prefer everybody should be "Proletariat" and a welfare system so we can shine your shoes, or better yet lets graduate that to a Marxist theory so the little people own nothing and Allen Burgess owns it all. You really do have some marbles very loose rolling around, or maybe you just lost your marbles. Your words of choice and belittlement have no place in this group Mr. Burgess. You are the lowest form of disruption and I wish you to be removed and I'm going to ask for it at the right time, so go sit on that.--------------------------------------------------------------------------

[plengo]

@Lidmotor,

I use kitchen towel paper which is very pouros. Its excellent for cleaning "milk spills".

More paper, more crystal grow i see. Cooking cells with paper will make the paper rock solid too.

Fausto.

[ibpointless2]

I've just watched both the above videos - excellent results !

@Lidmotor - Seeing the original 'Penny' still going and seeing the use of the radio is like a look back in time, way way back. Just think how many people have copied that circuit, tuned, changed, built lots of stuff over the months since and there we have the original lady STILL going !

@IB2 - Been thinking about how to do the crushing and thought of capacitors, how they're rolled up in the aluminium cans. Just a thought, that if you were to take a copper sheet and roll it with firm pressure around the Morton's and the mg strips (or sheet of), it would then be a very neat looking cell with more surface area too.
Also, ya know your Innova 3300, did you know you can test LED's with it ? put it on the diode setting and the meter will light LED's to test clear ones for what colour they are etc. My other meters don't do that (Electronics Goldmine backlit and Sears 82139 types)

I did not know that about my meter, this will work great for me to determine my red LED's from my white LED"s. The Innova is the best "cheap" multimeter I ever used, I think i got it for $12 at walmart and it has done better than some of $80 meters.

The biggest reason why I used the copper tube was that when you crimp the copper tube it will hold that crimp and thus hold the pressure. I can get more power from the cell if I apply more pressure but I don't have the tools for that.

[Slider2732]

I've just watched both the above videos - excellent results !

@Lidmotor - Seeing the original 'Penny' still going and seeing the use of the radio is like a look back in time, way way back. Just think how many people have copied that circuit, tuned, changed, built lots of stuff over the months since and there we have the original lady STILL going !

@IB2 - Been thinking about how to do the crushing and thought of capacitors, how they're rolled up in the aluminium cans. Just a thought, that if you were to take a copper sheet and roll it with firm pressure around the Morton's and the mg strips (or sheet of), it would then be a very neat looking cell with more surface area too.
Also, ya know your Innova 3300, did you know you can test LED's with it ? put it on the diode setting and the meter will light LED's to test clear ones for what colour they are etc. My other meters don't do that (Electronics Goldmine backlit and Sears 82139 types)

[ibpointless2]

A little video on a pressure crystal cell. its a copper tube with Salt substitute in it with magnesium ribbon and the copper tube is crushed. Before the tube is crushed it gives barely 30mV but when you crush the tube you get up to 1.3 volts and will hover around their for days which leads me to think this is some other form of piezoelectric effect. Copper tube Pressure cell - YouTube

[Lidmotor]

Test cell video

@All
Here is a video of the small test cell that I made. Please remember that this was just a test cell and the actual cell build will be in a box and much larger. John if you have a name that you would like to put on this cell let us know. I'm just calling it a "Hydrate crystal cell" now. In the video I give the location of the post #2564 here so that perhaps others can replicate this cell. All I can say is that what I am seeing so far looks good. It is acting much like a standard Cu, Mg, and Alum cell.


Bedini Hydrate Crystal Cell - YouTube

@IB
I show "Penny" running in the video also-----still blinking on that stove top cell built last summer.


@Plengo
I think that we need to look more at the "paper" ingredient in these cells. On this cell in the video I am using paper towel like John called for. I'm am now wondering if perhaps there is an optimum paper (or something else) to hold the crystal structure. There are all different kinds of paper. Which one is the best for this????

@Jehdds
The number of tests that you have done and the your persistance on this project is amazing. I guess you see what I see ------something beyond a lemon battery is going on here and it is worth our time to pursue it.

Lidmotor

[John_Bedini]

Water Glass

Sigh.... The above rather harsh text is based on what ? Let me just imagine for a second.... Don't you think JB get these kinds of remarks daily in his mail? I'm rather sure he is not waiting for yet another one. I think it was *you* who chose to join/read about this topic?

If you had READ JB his text more carefully, he noted that in order to subtract energy in the kind of way you mention, one should shift up in frequency band, and THEN the -receiving- antenna's will be sized rather small.

Let me go on with 'YOUR' idea a bit.. please allow me some space here, as I cannot clearly picture your drawing....

Okay, so we take the 2X1 sized receiver.. I can make that here in a few minutes time.... Then what? where do I apply the silica? below the disk, or do I 'paint' it on the X1 Part... Please guide me a bit here.

With your graduation from Pensacola, I assume you realize that Micro Waves are blocked easily by very thin sheets of metal.. Just a reminder... Even rainy weather will absorb a lot of Micro Wave energy (Wonder why WiMax is going down in reception sensitivity when it rains?).

Can you make a simple hand drawing sketch and post it? I do not have 'water glass' here yet, but it will come shortly.

Like Jehdds, I would like to give your idea a try, Hopefully you will take the out coming results as I measure them as they are, and are willing do make a deep bending towards the ground IF it turns out that the idea does not really works as you expected [ Note: I am well enough equipped to do the measurements that are needed ]. Also, I am well enough willing to make that same deep bend towards the ground if 'your' idea works as stated.

JB stated a number of posts back: 'I agree that energy surrounds us, but the BIG BANG and Stars in my view are out of the question. I think Tesla answered that question about Radiant energy which is true for all bands. Today I would say that most science is very wrong in what is taught about energy. '

I do happen to agree with that most science is very wrong in what is taught about energy, and I could add that as long as they keep these theories, they will never come to conclude *what is* electricity.

Something to think about... I am sure you have come across pictures of Tesla, of him sitting in a chair with in the background the shape of HUGE coils surrounding him... *why* would he need to make them this HUGE? Don't you think he must have had a reason to make them this large in size?

There is more then enough information on the internet available, and these rex research pages are broadly mirrored everywhere around. However, as I understand it, you have read those pages before, and if you take them as valid information, you of course have verified these result yourself - right ?

I never have asked for a Marcus Reid cell, and he never send me one (I'm sure he does not know me at all, why would he. I did not know him also before I stumbled on this topic)... But -a slippery path I am going here-, using some of my gathered knowledge, I would say that the cells we -try to- make here, are somewhat differed from MR cells, tough both arrive at more or less the same outcome.

Ok, back to 'your' idea... Again, please post a hand or computer drawing with key point information. I'll see if I am able to understand your high level of knowledge (I'm not a degree holder if you want to know)... Tough I have mingled around with professors and trained youngsters to be the next miss or mr hotshot (and guess what, they became such)... I was -multiple times- asked by -European- and -US- government agency's to offer my expertise in a certain area, on which I took their offer, and successfully completed their requested tasks (of course hehe)... So, personally, I believe I would be more or less able to construct your idea and design, given the correct information is supplied. I hope I qualify to offer a build of your idea ?

Also, could you please give me an estimation of the amount of energy (in watt or joules) that I could expect? If it is enough to deliver demand for a -small?- household, I estimate we talk about a Kw/Hr or so ?

If I do qualify, please allow me enough time, because next to solving the energy crisis (which actually does not exists, and is a mind game), I have a family life also and have to share available time.

IF MR is reading here also... I *am* interested in receiving two (2) of your cells... One to decompose, and the other one to test. I will sign any reasonable contracts needed for confidentially.

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Ron.

NextGen1967,
Your analyses is flawless in what your talking about, Tom Bearden has just touched my background in some of the work I did , but Microwave is one of them, you are correct in your analyses. However you're going to find out that just plain water glass will over time dissolve your aluminum so controls must be put in place to protect agents this. If Marcus Reids cell were not sealed the result would be an aluminum air battery. I'm not at liberty to say how this is controlled. You are also correct in your statement on how big you must make a machine, I think I showed this at the first conference the size you need.
A word of warning to everybody do not breath the fumes from the Water Glass, Respiratory problems will prevail, just ask me.
The best of luck in your expierment with Microwaves.

John B

[John_Bedini]

show the experiment

Allen, again I will express to you that the mixture is not what it seem to be. Go start a thread somewhere else as Aaron suggested to you. That antenna is and does not have anything to do with crystal cells here. either show some experimental results or just say your not sure. The fun is over as this is just a big distraction here. Please do not just come up with some pictures and have no experimental results as this is a working group.

I will give you an example here of what you said, The Germans used crystal batteries to run Gyros at over 60 amps and you worked on the Mars project. You would not be talking to this group, you may be the "Boy Wonder" somewhere else, but your all over the place here with claims your not backing up. The other thing is Sodium Silicate will dissolve the aluminum when heated including standard water glass, anybody can do that experiment.
I'm going to check out everything you say and report the results, do not come back to me with a lame statement John does not know what he is doing, you sound like the early internet or the SG group here and others. The purpose of this group is to build devices not white papers that could possibly be.

You keep coming back with Marcus's Reads Cells, I have said to you that the mixture is far different then what your claiming the information to be. I have Marcus Reid Cells and know how they work, I have moved this group as close as I could with the John H cell, I said to everybody you would not be happy with the low current 1 to 2 Ma . The mixture I gave to everybody will show you the way it also will settle in at 5 to 11 Ma. Do not mention JNL Labs to me as I seen what he did with the G-field by not following directions, and then posted the failure, it was his failure not mine.

The typical excuse is that somebody does not know what they're doing, how would you know have you ever taken the time to visit any inventors. Hearsay once again or lets just "stereotype this person". I have had fun with you but I can get more serious with you if need be.

You have been given some good advise by NextGen1967 and Nick Z, again they have said show the experiment. I have the feeling that you just need attention, that's fine just state what you want or need help with, the group is happy to help. Most of us experiment and document the information so you can see what is going on here nothing hidden on the You-tubes the circuits and mixes have been documented. The other thing to remember is once you say it, it's on the internet forever. So again just show us the working model or the experimental resaults.

John B

[NextGen1967]

Quote from John Bedini:

"the antennas are nowhere this size 2X1".

What do you call 6cm by 3cm if it's not 2x1? Take another look at the proportions in the picture of this 1/4 wave microwave antenna and try and pretend your right and I'm wrong. You act like a know it all!

You started off saying there was nothing on the web about the Marcus Reid Power Cell. I located an extensive article at Rex Research. The page has subsequently been removed. Water Glass was identified as the contents of the Reid cell, and the microwave theory was presented there as well. I graduated from Pensacola, and I wouldn't
trust either of you SQUID to shine my shoes.

My hunch is the 1/4 wave ratio shows up in the Reid Cell proportions, and the physical structure acts as a microwave reciever. Jehdds has generously offered to test this theory rather then to debunk it routinely as part of a cover up. You guys are nothing more then transparent VULTURE CAPITALISTS not with the proletariat.

Sigh.... The above rather harsh text is based on what ? Let me just imagine for a second.... Don't you think JB get these kinds of remarks daily in his mail? I'm rather sure he is not waiting for yet another one. I think it was *you* who chose to join/read about this topic?

If you had READ JB his text more carefully, he noted that in order to subtract energy in the kind of way you mention, one should shift up in frequency band, and THEN the -receiving- antenna's will be sized rather small.

Let me go on with 'YOUR' idea a bit.. please allow me some space here, as I cannot clearly picture your drawing....

Okay, so we take the 2X1 sized receiver.. I can make that here in a few minutes time.... Then what? where do I apply the silica? below the disk, or do I 'paint' it on the X1 Part... Please guide me a bit here.

With your graduation from Pensacola, I assume you realize that Micro Waves are blocked easily by very thin sheets of metal.. Just a reminder... Even rainy weather will absorb a lot of Micro Wave energy (Wonder why WiMax is going down in reception sensitivity when it rains?).

Can you make a simple hand drawing sketch and post it? I do not have 'water glass' here yet, but it will come shortly.

Like Jehdds, I would like to give your idea a try, Hopefully you will take the out coming results as I measure them as they are, and are willing do make a deep bending towards the ground IF it turns out that the idea does not really works as you expected [ Note: I am well enough equipped to do the measurements that are needed ]. Also, I am well enough willing to make that same deep bend towards the ground if 'your' idea works as stated.

JB stated a number of posts back: 'I agree that energy surrounds us, but the BIG BANG and Stars in my view are out of the question. I think Tesla answered that question about Radiant energy which is true for all bands. Today I would say that most science is very wrong in what is taught about energy. '

I do happen to agree with that most science is very wrong in what is taught about energy, and I could add that as long as they keep these theories, they will never come to conclude *what is* electricity.

Something to think about... I am sure you have come across pictures of Tesla, of him sitting in a chair with in the background the shape of HUGE coils surrounding him... *why* would he need to make them this HUGE? Don't you think he must have had a reason to make them this large in size?

There is more then enough information on the internet available, and these rex research pages are broadly mirrored everywhere around. However, as I understand it, you have read those pages before, and if you take them as valid information, you of course have verified these result yourself - right ?

I never have asked for a Marcus Reid cell, and he never send me one (I'm sure he does not know me at all, why would he. I did not know him also before I stumbled on this topic)... But -a slippery path I am going here-, using some of my gathered knowledge, I would say that the cells we -try to- make here, are somewhat differed from MR cells, tough both arrive at more or less the same outcome.

Ok, back to 'your' idea... Again, please post a hand or computer drawing with key point information. I'll see if I am able to understand your high level of knowledge (I'm not a degree holder if you want to know)... Tough I have mingled around with professors and trained youngsters to be the next miss or mr hotshot (and guess what, they became such)... I was -multiple times- asked by -European- and -US- government agency's to offer my expertise in a certain area, on which I took their offer, and successfully completed their requested tasks (of course hehe)... So, personally, I believe I would be more or less able to construct your idea and design, given the correct information is supplied. I hope I qualify to offer a build of your idea ?

Also, could you please give me an estimation of the amount of energy (in watt or joules) that I could expect? If it is enough to deliver demand for a -small?- household, I estimate we talk about a Kw/Hr or so ?

If I do qualify, please allow me enough time, because next to solving the energy crisis (which actually does not exists, and is a mind game), I have a family life also and have to share available time.

IF MR is reading here also... I *am* interested in receiving two (2) of your cells... One to decompose, and the other one to test. I will sign any reasonable contracts needed for confidentially.

--
Ron.