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[ibpointless2]

In this video we show how to make compression Crystal cell and what to expect by doing it this way. It works good and requires time to build as you need tooling to compress the material in the cell. This is a Ibpointlass2 cell using salt substitute and then in the second cell using a Hydrate compound.

IBpointlass2 Cell and a Hydrate Crystal Cell.wmv - YouTube

On the second day cells completely dried out as it only took hydration one time to activate these cells. The Ibpointless cell is holding at 3 Ma under oscillator load. The Heptahydrate , hydrate cell with the mix I gave on the group is holding at over 7Ma. They are both good cells and it is worth expanding at this type of cell. Good work Ibpointlass2.
John Bedini

Thank You John Bedini for doing the replication, Glad it works and glad to see the Hydrate one too.

Have you tired to make one with a bigger tube and more salts in it? I'm sure you'll get the mA's you're looking for if you scale up bigger.

[chuck H]

Updates on cells and other stuff

Just an update on the sealed cells charging the AAA battery. Also John shows a "DON'T DO THIS" and explains why. Also some of the MR cells and the BIG BLUE osc I made last year keeps going.

Hydrate crystal cell charging NiMh - YouTube

Chuck H

[chuck H]

Working cells and circuits

Hi John B and all,

Here is a youtube video of the crystal cell battery's that Jack, Jeremy and I have built over the last several mo, and have been testing with various LED fixtures that we have built up or salvaged, using Bedini fig. 33 self oscillator circuits, and various test coils

crystal battery testing.wmv - YouTube

we will build some more crystal battery's with the newest mix once we have all the materials on hand

RS

Very nice RS. Keep up the good work and thanks for showing this stuff really works. And thanks to all doing this.
Chuck H

[NextGen1967]

Ron ----After I made that video (and finished my coffee) the little motor kept right on going. What might have happened was that the heat activated the water molecules in the crystal (opened the doors?) and whatever party is going on in there--- just started up again.

This is the craziest thing to watch. I can almost hear the music. This isn't how a peltier module or a thermocouple would react. Take away the heat or heat differential and turn out the lights--the party is over.

Lidmotor

@Lidmotor

Ha, that's why I said 'peltier BATTERY'.... :-)

Let me know if the cell stops again after a while... It would be possible...

--
Ron.

[chuck H]

Water and lattice

Lidmotor and all:
So when the heat was applied the water began to flow as the lattace was able to "reconnect" and reconconduct (new word I think) the Ions. And then it was said "Let there be light" or in lidmotors case "motion to create motion.
Chuck H

[Lidmotor]

NOT "Peltier" or "Thermocouple" effect

@Lidmotor

Cool effect you show there! , or should I say HOT :-)

No seriously, I assume the cell converts this heat to electricity, and so I assume again, that heat is taken away....This could have some serious applications... Since I'm on a starting solar cell project, I thought of a way to make double use of the cells... Idea I had in my mind to have a double glassplate at the backside of the panels and have a water flow between the small space of the plates.. it would 1 warm the water, and 2 lower the heat of the solar cells which become quite HOT in the sun (and thus drop in performance)... If these cells at say 1 square meter could remove heat at a reasonable rate AND convert these on top of that in some power, It would have real usable efficiency increase (only need to keep in mind what will be the $$$).

Plenty of other area's in which it could be useful (also never have to change your digital watch battery anymore).

Hmm, a peltier battery...

--
Ron.

Ron ----After I made that video (and finished my coffee) the little motor kept right on going. What might have happened was that the heat activated the water molecules in the crystal (opened the doors?) and whatever party is going on in there--- just started up again.

This is the craziest thing to watch. I can almost hear the music. This isn't how a peltier module or a thermocouple would react. Take away the heat or heat differential and turn out the lights--the party is over.

Lidmotor

[RS_]

Hi John B and all,

Here is a youtube video of the crystal cell battery's that Jack, Jeremy and I have built over the last several mo, and have been testing with various LED fixtures that we have built up or salvaged, using Bedini fig. 33 self oscillator circuits, and various test coils

crystal battery testing.wmv - YouTube

we will build some more crystal battery's with the newest mix once we have all the materials on hand

RS

[chuck H]

@All
I tried different things on my Hydrate Crystal "test" cell and decided the heat is the most interesting thing that makes it do it's thing. Thanks John and Chuck for all the help with the R&D on this. It must be some kind of a thermal activated device. I tried an IR led (near IR), laser, and different types visible light but it was plain old heat that did the trick. Of course you can add water to the cell to make it go but when it dries out it stops. A constant heat source seems to work the best.

Here is a test that I did using a hot mug of coffee this morning:

Heat activated crystal cell.ASF - YouTube

@John, Chuck, and IB

There might be a way to use a heat source with the "pressure cell" and get more out of it??


Lidmotor

PS--- For anyone who wants to make motion instead of light, here is where to get one of those little "Hankscraft" motors that I show in the video. Just remove the tiny solar panel and hook up your crystal cell to it

Hankscraft HM11P Solar Motor-The Electronic Goldmine

Hey Lidmotor, be carefull not to spill your coffee on that unsealed cell as it might become "Galvanic"... HA, HA

Heat makes cell output more... Sun makes heat... can anyone else see where were heading with this?

@ all, John has went to procure some copper as We are about to go big on some new crystal cells, well at least a we bit bigger. New tooling needs to be made so it may take a day or so.

[NextGen1967]

@All
I tried different things on my Hydrate Crystal "test" cell and decided the heat is the most interesting thing that makes it do it's thing. Thanks John and Chuck for all the help with the R&D on this. It must be some kind of a thermal activated device. I tried an IR led (near IR), laser, and different types visible light but it was plain old heat that did the trick. Of course you can add water to the cell to make it go but when it dries out it stops. A constant heat source seems to work the best.

Here is a test that I did using a hot mug of coffee this morning:

Heat activated crystal cell.ASF - YouTube

@John, Chuck, and IB

There might be a way to use a heat source with the "pressure cell" and get more out of it??


Lidmotor

PS--- For anyone who wants to make motion instead of light, here is where to get one of those little "Hankscraft" motors that I show in the video. Just remove the tiny solar panel and hook up your crystal cell to it

Hankscraft HM11P Solar Motor-The Electronic Goldmine

@Lidmotor

Cool effect you show there! , or should I say HOT :-)

No seriously, I assume the cell converts this heat to electricity, and so I assume again, that heat is taken away....This could have some serious applications... Since I'm on a starting solar cell project, I thought of a way to make double use of the cells... Idea I had in my mind to have a double glassplate at the backside of the panels and have a water flow between the small space of the plates.. it would 1 warm the water, and 2 lower the heat of the solar cells which become quite HOT in the sun (and thus drop in performance)... If these cells at say 1 square meter could remove heat at a reasonable rate AND convert these on top of that in some power, It would have real usable efficiency increase (only need to keep in mind what will be the $$$).

Plenty of other area's in which it could be useful (also never have to change your digital watch battery anymore).

Hmm, a peltier battery...

--
Ron.

[NextGen1967]

John B:
Thank you for the info on your oscillator circuits. There is also a circuit posted on the first page of this thread.
Are there any updates, improvements or suggestions for the different oscillators circuits, since they were first made and used? Especially in regard to recommendations for use with very low current output cells (less than 1mA)???
Do you also feel that there is additional energy coming into the device from the ambient, possibly even more so when using an oscillator, than when a direct led connecton to the cells is used?
NickZ

Nick,

Small interruption from me about the additional energy...

You have the cell on a penny like type oscillator? what is volt&amps under load that you see?

About the additional energy I pointed out to earlier on the oscillator... Of course this is not some magic trick, but simply adds a ground loop to the system. However, I noticed that the cell + ground loop gave an effect that I not expected, and thus my desire to examine this a bit further with a -controlled- potential injection. There *might* be an advantage in this that came as a surprise to me, but I need to validate this.

--
Ron.

[NextGen1967]

Ron,
The oscillator Patent can be seen in Post: 2604.
The basic thing with the crystal cells, is the issue of impedance, depending on the material used. The cells usually run between 25K ohms to 250 Ohms. This is not good when we think about batteries as normal batteries usually are very low impedance Lead Acid .00025 Ohms deep cycle. We have noticed the Crystal does depend on how much water can be locked up, and yes the Marcus Reid cells do lock up the water in the material. The major thing about the Crystal cells is how much water can you lock up in the material. I was going to explain this until I got side tracked by the "Missing link". By locking up the water in the lattice the impedance will reduce increasing in the current output of the cell. That is why I have been saying The Hydrates and the Heptahydrates, here is my thinking you want to stretch the molecules into long chains, because it is the ions that drive this cell. The trick is to not have the electrodes consumed, 1 to 5 % loss is nothing in this cell. It's when you get to a 95% loss of the negative electrode that you have a real problem, that's why the post. It is very important that you understand what metals the Hydrate will attack, Those metals are, Aluminum, Lead, Tin, forming hydrogen gas. it is a strong Base, it reacts violently with acids. So we can see that the Hydrate or Sodium Metasilicate 5H2O will not attack the Magnesium.
But back to the oscillator, it is very easy to make as it only requires a little time. Just stretch out two #30 wires for 40 feet and twist them together, then with a simple change to the Monopole Motor circuit you will have an open loop oscillator running that will drive your led's, Again it is in post 2604 for the patent. More later I must go to work.
John B

John,

Yes, I understand all the above, and was aware of these facts... I realized about the Sodium Metasilicate 5H2O, but I have it not (yet) available here.

I have seen the effects of the damage the hydrogen gas gave in real time at times 35 amplification which is an interesting effect to observe.

I am eager to do my HV test, and will let you guys know after the test, whether result is good or bad, as it could enhance performance maybe. (IB will do your test afterwards).

When the Metasilicate has arrived, I will do the cell, but my idea is to make it a flat plate cell.

Will take a look at your patent.

I would be happy with the 1 to 2 mA already, but seeing your last video, improvements on their way

--
Ron.

[Lidmotor]

Heat activated crystal cell

@All
I tried different things on my Hydrate Crystal "test" cell and decided the heat is the most interesting thing that makes it do it's thing. Thanks John and Chuck for all the help with the R&D on this. It must be some kind of a thermal activated device. I tried an IR led (near IR), laser, and different types visible light but it was plain old heat that did the trick. Of course you can add water to the cell to make it go but when it dries out it stops. A constant heat source seems to work the best.

Here is a test that I did using a hot mug of coffee this morning:

Heat activated crystal cell.ASF - YouTube

@John, Chuck, and IB

There might be a way to use a heat source with the "pressure cell" and get more out of it??


Lidmotor

PS--- For anyone who wants to make motion instead of light, here is where to get one of those little "Hankscraft" motors that I show in the video. Just remove the tiny solar panel and hook up your crystal cell to it

Hankscraft HM11P Solar Motor-The Electronic Goldmine

[Michael Kishline]

Thank you John!

Thanks JB, Chuck and All.
Sorry, I don't post much, I would like to share with the group more, but it's all I can do just to keep up on the threads and do the experiments. Haven't yet made the time to post results and video's.

@ JB I love it, "The Missing Link" I can't stop laughing. Your killing me!

Thanks again
Mike

[NickZ]

John B:
Thank you for the info on your oscillator circuits. There is also a circuit posted on the first page of this thread.
Are there any updates, improvements or suggestions for the different oscillators circuits, since they were first made and used? Especially in regard to recommendations for use with very low current output cells (less than 1mA)???
Do you also feel that there is additional energy coming into the device from the ambient, possibly even more so when using an oscillator, than when a direct led connecton to the cells is used?
NickZ

[John_Bedini]

Ibpointlass2 cell and a Heptahydrate, hydrate cell.

In this video we show how to make compression Crystal cell and what to expect by doing it this way. It works good and requires time to build as you need tooling to compress the material in the cell. This is a Ibpointlass2 cell using salt substitute and then in the second cell using a Hydrate compound.

IBpointlass2 Cell and a Hydrate Crystal Cell.wmv - YouTube

On the second day cells completely dried out as it only took hydration one time to activate these cells. The Ibpointless cell is holding at 3 Ma under oscillator load. The Heptahydrate , hydrate cell with the mix I gave on the group is holding at over 7Ma. They are both good cells and it is worth expanding at this type of cell. Good work Ibpointlass2.
John Bedini