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[Aaron]

water cell "electret"?

I don't want to go off topic here because I really think the crystal mix/formation is one of the keys for extracting the energy, and we already know that having two dissimilar electrodes with a semi-conductor effect in between will help to bring the dipole out. But we are very limited by the capacity of those materials (electrodes) to convert this energy. I need to have some experts theory like John B. on the use of this concept for the Water fuel cell because I see a big big logical idea on this. I don't know if someone ever tried the replication of the WFC to see that some very unusual effects are occuring but I did some research and replication in the past. The use of stainless steel with 316L grade is carbon free and don't oxydize at all. It's just a manner of GROWING the material on the plates with the proper CONDITIONING to bring the CAPACITY of the cell/battery. Maybe starting a new tread on this or something....(My english is maybe hard to understand cause im a french canadian guy, so sorry for that..lol) Just an insight...RAVI 'S STANLEY MEYER REPLICATION WATER FUEL CELL -008 - YouTube, Stanley Meyer Lecture 1 - YouTube, Stanley Meyer Lecture 2 - YouTube

I've seen both your posts. Ravi learned the conditioning from me.

Water Fuel Cell | Conditioned Tubes - YouTube
Water Fuel Cell Conditioning - YouTube
Stan Meyer concentric tube test - YouTube

I have tested this and have used the tubes to charge very small caps with the voltage of the cell. With no power, after being conditioned, it will hold a permanent 2v (little over 2v) even when you short it. I think I got a LED to blink from the cap before, but its been a while. I've seen this for a long time but never explored it much. I'd have to recondition my tubes and then use the little Bedini oscillator to see if it lights a bulb like these crystal cells.

Not to go off subject, but there is your answer. Feel free to try it.

I'd still like to see if the colloidal hydrophilic carbon I have made will give any benefit to these crystal cells. From the suspension time in solution that this carbon has lasted (several years), it is of a smaller particle size of anything that has ever been commercially available as a battery additive to my knowledge.

[ibpointless2]

@Chuck & John
Thanks for contacting me. Sometimes it is just better to pick up the phone and call someone. Your words of encouragement mean alot. There must be some people out there who just don't like what we do here. One of my commenters made this statement, "...when you are over the target expect to get some flak."

Thank you also to the other people who encourage me and the others here who don't just talk--- but spend their time and money actually building something.

Lidmotor

Lidmotor don't let the people get to you, if it makes you feel better here is some of the comments i get from people all the time.


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This is really simple and youre not discovering anything new here. Most of it is high school chemistry

Careful man, you seem to me like an 'scientist' who has fallen in love with an idea and can't give it up even after it is proven void

Just like the 'dry' paper towel or piece of cardboard, your perception of the caulk being 100% 'dry' is erroneous IB. Galvanics only need one tiny moisture chain to provide a link in order to show voltage.

There is one simple test that all the delusional 'crystal cell' theorists fail to run and it is this. IF....IF concrete cells and similar are TRUE crystal cells, then they should work if you eradicate the water

Take your concrete or magical mix of rocks that you think is generating voltage via the etheric universe and place it in an oven at 180C for about 30 minutes until you have evapped the last water from the 'stone'. NOW, while it is hot and dry, put your multimeter on the electrodes.....BIG FAT ZERO. It won't even register a microvolt.

You are going to have to run the test again. I have been building these type of batteries for a long time now and its very apparent where the energy comes from. Unfortunately, nothing is free and it is just plain old galvanics. While I applaud your experimenting, you have overlooked something that is glaring you right in the face

One thing that I think you should consider is that while the cell is a glue cell, there is still the possibility that water moisture can get in through the paper on the reverse side.

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Those are just some negative comments I get from a few people. I try to prove them wrong but no matter what you do can't please everyone. So I now ignore them and only pay attention to the postive comments. Keep up the great work Lidmotor and everyone, don't let the negative nancy's get to you.

[Lidmotor]

Ongoing research---it won't stop

Some Things To Think About.
In this Video I go over Crystal cells that have been running continuous since Chuck and I made them. After talking To Lidmotor I said I would post this video on some of the cells we have made here and continue to run day in and day out. Do not get discouraged in your efforts to produce a cell that will give you light and run things even if it is small. Crystal Cells running 25 Ma to 50 Ma for just a drop of water is a leap forward and as the material that makes this possible is developed into just a very thin slice the power will go up. Thanks to everybody on the Energetic Forum in Bedini Earth Light.Lidmotor do not let the Missing Links bother you, Excellent work on your part

Youtube Some Things To Think About John And Chuck.wmv - YouTube
Chuck Hupp and John Bedini

@Chuck & John
Thanks for contacting me. Sometimes it is just better to pick up the phone and call someone. Your words of encouragement mean alot. There must be some people out there who just don't like what we do here. One of my commenters made this statement, "...when you are over the target expect to get some flak."

Thank you also to the other people who encourage me and the others here who don't just talk--- but spend their time and money actually building something.

Lidmotor

[ibpointless2]

Unfortunately I don't have this stuff available here in Germany. I hope I can still get it to work. We watched all the videos but it doesn't show the actual process

. If I got it right you start on medium?high? temperature and heat up the mix 1/4 tsp borax with the 1/4tsp potassium chloride /morton salt substitute until it cooks. Then you add the electrodes. We're using copper wire and magnesium strip. After that you cover it in Alum and turn down the heat add Alum if needed and tap it down. Let cool.

If there are no mistakes we'll just try again next week.
We used an untreated control but still wanted to try the coating because of the humpty dumpty cell from Lidmotor. Unfortunately we didn't get the black coating so well. Should the copper be glowing or not?

Cheers

Prato

Cheers,

Prato

I do high heat, Borax on bottom sprinkle some salt substitute on top of that once it starts bubbling you add alum on top of it all and then insert the electrodes, cook for a couple more seconds. If the bubbling stops or if you get no bubbling then something went wrong. here's another video showing how I do it, step by step, How to make a Dry Crystal Cell Battery that contains no Water - YouTube

If you have anymore problems let me know i'm willing to help as much as i can.

[John_Bedini]

Somthing to think about

Some Things To Think About.
In this Video I go over Crystal cells that have been running continuous since Chuck and I made them. After talking To Lidmotor I said I would post this video on some of the cells we have made here and continue to run day in and day out. Do not get discouraged in your efforts to produce a cell that will give you light and run things even if it is small. Crystal Cells running 25 Ma to 50 Ma for just a drop of water is a leap forward and as the material that makes this possible is developed into just a very thin slice the power will go up. Thanks to everybody on the Energetic Forum in Bedini Earth Light.Lidmotor do not let the Missing Links bother you, Excellent work on your part

Youtube Some Things To Think About John And Chuck.wmv - YouTube
Chuck Hupp and John Bedini

[FRC]

Agree

@Lidmotor - I've posted quite a few videos up to now and have noted, almost without exception, that when something is posted of hopeful worth to others, that is funky, different, new, the haters will thumb you down. It's a mixture of jealousy and dim wittedness, unable to smile toward someone and be happy for someone else. You'll hardly ever see a negative actual comment along with those thumbs down.
So, for a project that is well video'd, clear in explanation and demonstrates clearly what you are showing - you WILL get the clowns thumbing down.
Your videos are always well designed, clear, helpful for fellow experimenters and nearly everyone says the same - nearly everyone !
I don't think there are weedy faceless CIA type operatives kicking around, so it's not some kind of conspiracy to hush up alternative energies. Just kids with the 'no child left behind' problem burnt into their skulls..

I completely agree with Slider2732 about Lidmotor's video's. Slider's are pretty good too.


George

[CrystalDipoleMatrix]

@Slider2732: About the pink coating on the copper, I don't think you have to turn it black... The copper will eventualy turn black with the powering of the cell alone because of the water reaction to the crystal/electrodes.

[CrystalDipoleMatrix]

Expending the dipole effect

I don't want to go off topic here because I really think the crystal mix/formation is one of the keys for extracting the energy, and we already know that having two dissimilar electrodes with a semi-conductor effect in between will help to bring the dipole out. But we are very limited by the capacity of those materials (electrodes) to convert this energy. I need to have some experts theory like John B. on the use of this concept for the Water fuel cell because I see a big big logical idea on this. I don't know if someone ever tried the replication of the WFC to see that some very unusual effects are occuring but I did some research and replication in the past. The use of stainless steel with 316L grade is carbon free and don't oxydize at all. It's just a manner of GROWING the material on the plates with the proper CONDITIONING to bring the CAPACITY of the cell/battery. Maybe starting a new tread on this or something....(My english is maybe hard to understand cause im a french canadian guy, so sorry for that..lol) Just an insight...RAVI 'S STANLEY MEYER REPLICATION WATER FUEL CELL -008 - YouTube, Stanley Meyer Lecture 1 - YouTube, Stanley Meyer Lecture 2 - YouTube

[Slider2732]

@Lidmotor - I've posted quite a few videos up to now and have noted, almost without exception, that when something is posted of hopeful worth to others, that is funky, different, new, the haters will thumb you down. It's a mixture of jealousy and dim wittedness, unable to smile toward someone and be happy for someone else. You'll hardly ever see a negative actual comment along with those thumbs down.
So, for a project that is well video'd, clear in explanation and demonstrates clearly what you are showing - you WILL get the clowns thumbing down.
Your videos are always well designed, clear, helpful for fellow experimenters and nearly everyone says the same - nearly everyone !
I don't think there are weedy faceless CIA type operatives kicking around, so it's not some kind of conspiracy to hush up alternative energies. Just kids with the 'no child left behind' problem burnt into their skulls.

I've had rather good success, with those epsom salts as a sprinkled layer, that I may have mentioned earlier. A couple of mm depth on top of cells. Nothing sparkling or different like a lot of you chaps are showing, but interesting. The straight out of the packet and larger sized epsom salts 'seem' to accept the ambient water and then feed the cell mix underneath. Run times on a 'Penny' are now confirmed to be double (2 months instead of 1) with same mixtures that had no epsom layer applied to the top. They might work as a natural barrier, to limit cell water exposure in humid locations. Oklahoma is very humid in summer, so tests will be rerun in a few months too
Next thing - pressure and then add the epsom layer. Also pressurize the layer and mixture together.

@Prato - I'm unsure if I do this right, but with the copper I put it straight on the electric cooker ring on highest heat. Leave it for a couple of minutes and then pick it up with pliers and immediately quench in water. At first, the oxide may fall off the now salmon coloured copper. Repeat half a dozen times and the layer will be black and tough (won't flake off in pieces).

[Lidmotor]

Hydrate Cell powering a pulse motor ---and Penny

@John & Chuck
I am starting to get some negative feedback at YouTube and I hope that it is not "friendly fire" aimed at me.

I have been testing the Hydrate Cell that I built and today tried it on a small pulse motor. It IS dropping off in power but I have found that on my "test" cell a small amount of water brings these cells right back. This is what you said it would do and so it is not a surprise.

Bedini Hydrate Crystal Cell---powering a pulse motor and PENNY - YouTube

Lidmotor

[prato_braun]

Glue cells

We did some early experiments with a glue cell magnesium sulfate, potassium chloride and wood glue.
I don't remember the voltage and just made two for fun. one broke.
But both in series lid a led.
The copper electrode went green as it was reported.
Has anyone tried treating the copper for glue cells?
Will do that next time just out of curiosity I don't know much about this stuff yet and experimenting is new for me.
Cheers

Prato

[prato_braun]

Here's a video on how to make a stove top cell Making an Ibpointless Stove Top crystal cell - YouTube

If you can't get the stove top cell to work try a crystal glue cell How to Make a Crystal Glue cell - YouTube

Don't mess with the copper or magnesium electrodes when you make a stove top cell or a crystal glue cell. Its best to use the same brands that we use, I use 20 mule team borax and I used Morton's salt substitute.

Unfortunately I don't have this stuff available here in Germany. I hope I can still get it to work. We watched all the videos but it doesn't show the actual process

. If I got it right you start on medium?high? temperature and heat up the mix 1/4 tsp borax with the 1/4tsp potassium chloride /morton salt substitute until it cooks. Then you add the electrodes. We're using copper wire and magnesium strip. After that you cover it in Alum and turn down the heat add Alum if needed and tap it down. Let cool.

If there are no mistakes we'll just try again next week.
We used an untreated control but still wanted to try the coating because of the humpty dumpty cell from Lidmotor. Unfortunately we didn't get the black coating so well. Should the copper be glowing or not?

Cheers

Prato

Cheers,

Prato

[John_Bedini]

stop insulting

I will try to answer the email I received regarding John's decision not to consider radioactive materials in the crystal cell. This incident happened on this thread long ago and after warning to stop insulting people by Aaron, was removed last year. He considers himself to be Charleston Heston (picture below) and he quotes the monkey in the front right side. In the escape scene this monkey says "Follow me monkeys !" but because the monkey does not believe his leaders he allows Charleston to escape. " The comment meant that John was leading monkeys a stray.

It is my opinion that no tribunal was formed and only minimal restraint is being used to protect the project from false accusation.

I am however still not convinced about the those claiming special rights, being salaried Phd (permanent head damaged) because they mostly all failed to solve the crystal quiz, failed to do what is right, after so many years some come here to lurk and are bad sports. Are we mislead or are we seeing some awesome cells being developed here ? The outcome of John's work should be sufficient answer to your email.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FlNJ_dOcLT...257861.bin.jpg

Mikrovolt,
I try to keep everybody focused on one thing so that the best can be accomplished, I try to show in the videos what I'm doing. I can not help if some jerks are going to come along and try disrupt the group. What people do not understand I have known Aaron and Peter for a very long time and they are excellent friends, as today it hard to have a friend. I never hide anything from them or Chuck who is a very good friend too. I did try to make phone calls to talk to people here. I have always put my work out in public view, and do not think for a minute that I have not dealt with guy's like the "missing link". This guy changes his name like carter has pills. When people use a phony name something is up. Look at all the people viewing these pages, that do not wish to use any name that just hide and lurk around to just take and never give back anything.

The most common thing is John does not know anything and he is an idiot the real Idiot is the one calling you an Idiot. I do not care what university they have gone too, it does not make you smart at anything. What people do not understand is that if electronics is built into you, you will do it the rest of your life. I have said many times in my posts that Free Energy is the wrong term. You just change energy to suit the time. If it something different you have discovered then you know we can find no measurements to analyze it at this time. My point here is, If you disrupt the group I will call you out and when it starts to go out of control I will turn to Aaron for help, otherwise I would just ban you forever. This guy is lucky in the fact I did not have that kind of authority here.

They can call you all the names they want that just shows that they do not know anything here. People need to read the posts here that has been tried before they make something here. Chuck and I have offered parts for these cells why because you must call out the type magnesium and copper your going to use as the Magnesium is not pure and contains Zinc and Aluminum, that magnesium tape is not pure and will rot away because of that. This will give you a false impression of what is going on with the cell. The reason I get good mill-amps is because of that and they stay at high output. The salt are very high Ionic compounds and they need water for this to work right, just look it up. The metals need to have a big difference in potentials to get anything that is useable., you just cant change metals and expect results without doing the research. The other thing is I do not play favorites with anybody here everybody is equal in my book.
John B

[ibpointless2]

Hi everyone,

the stuff going on here is awesome I hope we can replicate some of the effects soon. This week our goal was to make several stove-top cells but we ran into some problems.
We wanted to evaluate the effect of the different coatings on the magnesium and the copper.
We covered our magnesium strip with MgO by electrolyzing it and created a copper rectifier following the Bedini recipe.
We also tried to make the black Copper oxide but we didn't know whether the copper should be glowing our not, we didn't get ours as black as it appears to be in the Lidmotor video.
Then we ran into some serious problems because we didn't get the temperature for the Borax Potassium Chloride mix correct. It just didn't want to cook or stopped cooking and went solid no matter how hot.
Should the temperature be high or low? Is it easier to use an electric stove?
Any videos of someone doing it?
Out of 9 attempts it worked twice a little bit and we added the Alum it was bubbling heavily using the Copper rectifier it went yellow but to many big bubbles just looked slimy and didn't give voltage at all.
If anyone could help us save more ingredients it would be much appreciated
Rochelle salt arrived today and we'll try making our own Sodium Silicate following the nerdrage recipe.
Once the basics are set we'll attempt the new bedini mix and also Faustos cell 16/17.
Thanks so much for your efforts and good luck with the further research hopefully one day we can contribute a bit, too.

Prato (+friends)

PS: thought a common press to lift a car once it'S broken can be used somehow to replicate the pressure style but i don't now what to use as an easy available counter force yet. more this can be useful ...

Here's a video on how to make a stove top cell Making an Ibpointless Stove Top crystal cell - YouTube

If you can't get the stove top cell to work try a crystal glue cell How to Make a Crystal Glue cell - YouTube

Don't mess with the copper or magnesium electrodes when you make a stove top cell or a crystal glue cell. Its best to use the same brands that we use, I use 20 mule team borax and I used Morton's salt substitute.

[prato_braun]

tried to start

Hi everyone,

the stuff going on here is awesome I hope we can replicate some of the effects soon. This week our goal was to make several stove-top cells but we ran into some problems.
We wanted to evaluate the effect of the different coatings on the magnesium and the copper.
We covered our magnesium strip with MgO by electrolyzing it and created a copper rectifier following the Bedini recipe.
We also tried to make the black Copper oxide but we didn't know whether the copper should be glowing our not, we didn't get ours as black as it appears to be in the Lidmotor video.
Then we ran into some serious problems because we didn't get the temperature for the Borax Potassium Chloride mix correct. It just didn't want to cook or stopped cooking and went solid no matter how hot.
Should the temperature be high or low? Is it easier to use an electric stove?
Any videos of someone doing it?
Out of 9 attempts it worked twice a little bit and we added the Alum it was bubbling heavily using the Copper rectifier it went yellow but to many big bubbles just looked slimy and didn't give voltage at all.
If anyone could help us save more ingredients it would be much appreciated
Rochelle salt arrived today and we'll try making our own Sodium Silicate following the nerdrage recipe.
Once the basics are set we'll attempt the new bedini mix and also Faustos cell 16/17.
Thanks so much for your efforts and good luck with the further research hopefully one day we can contribute a bit, too.

Prato (+friends)

PS: thought a common press to lift a car once it'S broken can be used somehow to replicate the pressure style but i don't now what to use as an easy available counter force yet. more this can be useful ...