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[MonsieurM]

Although I have not had a chance to try the Iron Pyrite, yet, I have been using some Silica on some of the tops of my previously made open carbon cells, just to see what happens.
What I see is very strange, like a liquid glass layer is starting to form, and the oxide layer on the aluminum is going through some changes also. And further oxidation of the Al, does seam to be controlled to some degree. It's all forming a salty, glassy, crystaline glue mix of sorts, and the output is staying at 50mA per cell, so far. This is just using table salt, carbon and aluminum
What I've also done is to soak the Silica pellets in a little bit of water, then after a couple of days, I take and suck up that Silica water into a syringe and wet my cells with that solution, instead of just plain water. Silica is not suppose to dissolve in water, but it does. Each time I do it, the cells forms more of a wet glassy surface to the tops of the cells, possibly sealing them, as time goes by.
I also have been applying pressure to the cells by placing them in C-clamps. This can increase the current output by double or tripple, compared to the cells with no pressure added. This is not just a temporary piezo effect, it's permanent, as long as pressure is maintained, but not all cells respond to pressure, mostly the carbon/salt cells do.

NickZ

thanks NickZ for sharing the results of your tests ... do you happen to have Borax close at hand as it would be interesting to see if adding a pinch of it would do to your mix

Where to buy borax? answer: Borax can be bought in any grocery store. Just look for the laundry detergent aisle and Borax should be in that area. It is an environmentally safe product and has many uses including helping to keep roaches and other creepie crawlies from entering your home.

The Many Household Uses of Borax

[NickZ]

Although I have not had a chance to try the Iron Pyrite, yet, I have been using some Silica on some of the tops of my previously made open carbon cells, just to see what happens.
What I see is very strange, like a liquid glass layer is starting to form, and the oxide layer on the aluminum is going through some changes also. And further oxidation of the Al, does seam to be controlled to some degree. It's all forming a salty, glassy, crystaline glue mix of sorts, and the output is staying at 50mA per cell, so far. This is just using table salt, carbon and aluminum
What I've also done is to soak the Silica pellets in a little bit of water, then after a couple of days, I take and suck up that Silica water into a syringe and wet my cells with that solution, instead of just plain water. Silica is not suppose to dissolve in water, but it does. Each time I do it, the cells forms more of a wet glassy surface to the tops of the cells, possibly sealing them, as time goes by.
I also have been applying pressure to the cells by placing them in C-clamps. This can increase the current output by double or tripple, compared to the cells with no pressure added. This is not just a temporary piezo effect, it's permanent, as long as pressure is maintained, but not all cells respond to pressure, mostly the carbon/salt cells do.

NickZ

[CrystalDipoleMatrix]

Protecting the magnesium

You need to form a silicate layer over the metal to protect it but this same silicate must have the ability to promote the ion exchange/conductibility.

[plengo]

I have been testing my cell 15 formula (you can see on the video) but with the Mg surrounded by the electric grease.

It seems to improve things substantially.

Fausto.

[NickZ]

CrystalDM and All:
There is still a whole lot more to learn, that's for sure.
I'm enjoying every minute of it...

Here's another video I made tonight. Sorry for it being so dark, it seams that my camera has a hard time, with the night videos. I'll work on that though.
It looks like every piece of activated carbon that I add to the cell (in parallel) raises the output, and even a coin of unknown metal material works quite well for its size, also.
I added the picture (below) also, as it's easier to see when using the flash.

My two cent Video:
P1010225.MOV - YouTube

[CrystalDipoleMatrix]

Dry cell output

@ NickZ: What I would rather like to know is: Which material is made (transformed) from the chemical reaction of the components in this dry cell to output these mA's?? Be able to see what's happening inside. Then control this unknown material and expend it to get more out. I saw some weird stuff happening on the oxide treated copper with a single doping recently. I think it has to do with the iron pyrite. Kind of a rainbow coloured texture on the black oxide layer. It was just on some spots (the black oxide too).

[NickZ]

It's also a matter of knowing what direction to take with all of this, so we don't waist time on what does not work, and concentrate on what does.
Anyone tried peanut butter and jelly? yet...

What we have not been able to obtain is a dry cell with more that just a few mAs output. At least I haven't been able to. But, you get those same cells wet, and off they go...
I think that what it will boil down to is, that the best proper combination of all the items is essential, to get a cell that will last, and give useful output. There may be no cheap tricks, here.
John has given us all many, many ideas. Maybe it's time we help him out instead.
Thanks again, to all following through on this team effort, even if all the cards aren't on the table, yet. It may not be a matter of secrecy, but a lack of time to really test all the results. Isn't that what we're here for?...

[CrystalDipoleMatrix]

I made the magnesium silicate. I heat it on the stove to see if there was any residual reactions and....None. It's like baby powder, it's a drying agent. If you wet your thumbs and put them in contact with the powder, they will dry instantly. I will make new cells tomorrow with this doping in the mix. No sodium silicate anymore in the mix. Epson salt, rochelle salts, magnesium silicate, magnesium filings, iron pyrite filings and that's it! Magnesium silicate is a good Co2 absorbant too. 1 gram of this silicate will absorbe 1 gram of Co2!! The magnesium metal produce a coating of calcium carbonate to protect it, but with this new silicate, it will eat up the carbonate coating leaving the shiny metal!

[CrystalDipoleMatrix]

Hopes

I'm happy that you have some of his stuff for testing purpose. I understand the fact that he will not divulge too much info into the open/public domain because of past attacks from bad peoples. If I find the right components to work with, you can be sure I will share with all of you. I just don't want to see people giving up because of some ''holes in the equation''. Just imagine the huge real implication of the discovery!

[Lidmotor]

The "secret sauce"

@ CDM
The dry sodium silicate stuff comes in different flavors of contained water molecules. I think that John started with 5 and moved up to 9 to get more performance for this particular cell electrolyte mix. What he sent me is the Hydrarte #9.

The "secret sauce" that he is using might vary depending on what he is going after. I don't think that he is going to tell us exact ingredients with exact ratios. What I see happening in front of me with the cells he sent me ----is high perfomance. Call em what you like, the cells put out non-stop energy. One I am adding a few mls of water to every week or so depending on the air humidity and one has been left dry. The water adds amps if you want more power. Dry it is about 1.2v @ 2 to 3 mA. Hydrated the amperage goes up to over 10mA. Long term testing on the cells might take years like with the Marcus Reid cells. Unless the cells were sawed in half (like what was done on the Reid cell) the condition on the cell's interior is an unknown. If these cells were baked or frozen they MIGHT stop. I'm just not going to do that. They are too valuable.

Lidmotor

[CrystalDipoleMatrix]

hydrate

@Lidmotor, It was hydrate #5 but I think it's not that critical to the crystal mix because you will mix the 2 pinches of the magnesium silicate with the epson salt and it's an heptahydrate (7 molecules of h2O). I just don't know why he was not able to tell the right ''secret'' ingredient. But I think I found it now.

[Lidmotor]

Hydrate

I have found a really easy way to get this ''hydrate'' that John talked about. You can actually grow a garden of precipitate magnesium silicate. All you need is a solution of 40% sodium silicate mixed with distilled water and epson salt. @ All: Try this!! The epson salts will dissolve with ''serpentine like'' shapes in the solution! That's the magnesium silicate. The trick is to collect this ''garden'' and allow these new crystals to dry. Filtering with water is necessary to obtain a good quality cristal. It's like the talc (soapstone) mineral but you don't want the hydroxide in it. I think I finally got it!!

I think that this is the Hydrate that John B. is using now. I had to dig back in the thread to find the link to it. He just calls it Hydrate #9 which refers to the number of water molecules in there.

Sodium meta-Silicate, Nonahydrate, Crystal, Reagent * 13517-24-3

Kind of expensive. I think that Jim (Jehdds) has some.

Lidmotor

[CrystalDipoleMatrix]

Hydrated magnesium silicate take 2

I have found a really easy way to get this ''hydrate'' that John talked about. You can actually grow a garden of precipitate magnesium silicate. All you need is a solution of 40% sodium silicate mixed with distilled water and epson salt. @ All: Try this!! The epson salts will dissolve with ''serpentine like'' shapes in the solution! That's the magnesium silicate. The trick is to collect this ''garden'' and allow these new crystals to dry. Filtering with water is necessary to obtain a good quality cristal. It's like the talc (soapstone) mineral but you don't want the hydroxide in it. I think I finally got it!!

[Allwest]

"Allwest:
The actual readings in your video as shown by the meter is -0.44 amp, (negative), not positive + 0.44. What does it read, with opposite polarity?
There have been several people that show strong cells with higher current levels, only to have that drop to 1/10 or less of what they started at, after a while, when connected to leds. Once connected to a load, strong cells will produce lots of hydrogen gas that will saturate the cells positive pole, bottle-necking the ions, that will then drop the output. Unless,.... you use a proper de-polarizer, but one that doesn't destroy the metals."

NickZ,

I just had the wrong probes, it would read the same .44Amp positive, it started out at .54amps , the wet Alum eats Magnesium BIG TIME!

Did you see the chili powder power cell?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_kBmH-_OuA

This one only uses water and the magnesium is treated with dielectric grease, 1.45 volts with 100MA, it has dropped to 75MA and holding,(so far) same volts with no sign of decay on the mag

[Lidmotor]

The Tortoise and the Hare

b_rads

This is the cell I was working on

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZqbBwBLQxY

There was two cells in the copper pipe

As you can see one cell had a voltage of about 1.67 and .44amps

The other had 1.50 volts and .22amps

The voltage pretty much stayed the same but the amps dropped off rapidly as the decay and oxidation of the magnesium began

I think if you did a study over time on these types of cells

Cell #1 high rate of decay big power for a short period of time .44Amps

Cell #2 low rate of decay low power for a longer period of time 4Ma

My guess is that they would both equal out to the same power output achieved at different times

The analogy of the
(The rabbit and the turtle) comes to mind,I guess time will tell if the turtle can keep going past the rabbit at the end of the cell life

Just some thoughts

Can any body calculate this, or has anybody done long term studies?

@Allwest and b-rads
I agree with your conclusions about how these cells work. You can go fast or go slow. The energy appears to be like gas in car. If you go slow the cell can last longer and you get better mileage. If you have a big gas tank (large pure magnesium anode) and the carburetor (crystalline electrolyte) is a good one, you have a very efficient situation. How hard you step on the gas pedal and draw out the energy makes a difference. These crystal cells seem to have a built in "restrictor plate" like in a stock car racecar that limits the current (horsepower) and thus extends the life span. Take away the restriction to get more power and the Mg gets eaten up fast. It is pretty simple chemistry really-------if these are typical galvanic cells.

You really need a lab to test these crystal cells to tell what is going on at the molecular level.

At this point I have not seen anything that produces USEABLE ENERGY without affecting the anode metal. You can have a static voltage on a cell, with microamp power, where the anode deteriorates extremely slow -----but so what? That doesn't prove anything. Gaining energy from the local environment or the Easter Bunny----I don't think so. If these cells are then it is very little.

The good news is that we have made some really great cells----call them what you want. We also learned alot. In my opinion this has not been a waste of time and I will continue on in the quest. Slow but sure like the turtle.


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Lidmotor