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[NickZ]

Allwest:
The actual readings in your video as shown by the meter is -0.44 amp, (negative), not positive + 0.44. What does it read, with opposite polarity?
There have been several people that show strong cells with higher current levels, only to have that drop to 1/10 or less of what they started at, after a while, when connected to leds. Once connected to a load, strong cells will produce lots of hydrogen gas that will saturate the cells positive pole, bottle-necking the ions, that will then drop the output. Unless,.... you use a proper de-polarizer, but one that doesn't destroy the metals.


B-rads: Yes, If the plan is to have some real useful light output, the stronger the cells become, the shorter is its life span, as this is all based on chemical reactions, that digest the metals. And is why I'm still hoping that the semiconductor type of cells may be the only way around it. As we have been hoping to build cells that can sit in a puddle of salts, and not oxidize. Not too likely.
And, you are also right about the oxides also being INSULATORS.

CrystalDM:
Thanks for your comments.
Aluminum will oxidize on its own very easily, almost instantly when exposed to even just open air, with a clear protective non conductive oxide layer. The thicker that this layer gets the weaker and less conductive the cells become, with higher resistance, as well as higher impedance.


John B: I have been wondering about what the current results and tests are with your 1 amp cell? As I've not heard anything more about it.
I have taken your advice to mix carbon with salt, which is giving me about 60mAs in my Aluminum/activated carbon cells. I'll be trying the MnO2 from D cells in my mix today.
I have not been able to find Epsom, or any other salt here yet, so table salt is still in my mix. 60 mA can light up several leds, all night long very brightly. I then disconnect the cells from the oscillators, during the day, so the cells can recuperate, somewhat, and the hydrogen gas can vent.
NickZ

[b_rads]

b_rads
I think if you did a study over time on these types of cells

Cell #1 high rate of decay big power for a short period of time .44Amps

Cell #2 low rate of decay low power for a longer period of time 4Ma

My guess is that they would both equal out to the same power output achieved at different times

The analogy of the
(The rabbit and the turtle) comes to mind,I guess time will tell if the turtle can keep going past the rabbit at the end of the cell life

Just some thoughts

Can any body calculate this, or has anybody done long term studies?

Excellent observations Allwest. Your rabbit and turtle analogy is spot on. These results are very typical of what I have experienced.
For example: I have 3 zinc/copper water cells connected that have been powering a red LED for over 1 1/2 years. The same setup using drain cleaner, oxy cleaners, or bleach have a very short lifespan but will output way more current.

Thank you for sharing these results.

Brad S

[Allwest]

b_rads

This is the cell I was working on

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZqbBwBLQxY

There was two cells in the copper pipe

As you can see one cell had a voltage of about 1.67 and .44amps

The other had 1.50 volts and .22amps

The voltage pretty much stayed the same but the amps dropped off rapidly as the decay and oxidation of the magnesium began

I think if you did a study over time on these types of cells

Cell #1 high rate of decay big power for a short period of time .44Amps

Cell #2 low rate of decay low power for a longer period of time 4Ma

My guess is that they would both equal out to the same power output achieved at different times

The analogy of the
(The rabbit and the turtle) comes to mind,I guess time will tell if the turtle can keep going past the rabbit at the end of the cell life

Just some thoughts

Can any body calculate this, or has anybody done long term studies?

[b_rads]

I just took apart a cell that had (non-treated)magnesium ribbon wrapped around a copper pipe soaked in Alum, and in a very short time there was nothing left of magnesium

I treated another cell with dielectric grease on the magnesium ribbon and it seems to be holding fine, you may want to try it on the aluminum

Just a thought

Did you observe or note a difference in the output ability between the two cells?

The reason I ask is this information I found while working on the Aluminum/Air battery.
The cell current will decrease as the metals become coated with oxides and other byproducts, however the voltage will remain constant as this is affected primariily by the electronegativity of the metals.

[CrystalDipoleMatrix]

@ Nickz: Try using clay (Al2O3, 2SiO2, 2H2O). It"s aluminium silicate or you can do your own with alumina and silicate. Maybe it has something to do with the coating that forms on the aluminium to protect it. I think it will bonds with the aluminium, same thing with magnesium and magnesium silicate. Try to dope with some aluminium filings in your mix to enhance the process. John talked alot about the epson salts (heptahydrates) for the ''magical mix'', but it has to do only for the magnesium as the neg. Since you use aluminium instead, try alum! It's potassium aluminium sulfate and it's in a more hydrated version of a sulfate. Just try to play with the basics here. If you use aluminium and copper, try also to stick with coumpounds that fit these elements.

[NickZ]

Yes, that's a good idea. I've used a conductive grease on my connections, and on the inside of the aluminum capacitor cans that I've used to make the cells with. It did help with the external connection points as well.
I was thinking more along the lines of an aluminum oxide layer treatment.
Glad to hear the the grease helped with the Mg.

[Allwest]

CrystalDM:
Thanks for the tips on the hydrate #5 process. I hope it works out as planned. The depolarizer is also an important issue, to help keep the hydrogen from building up and creating higher impedance and lowering the output.
So, what can be done to protect the the metal when using Aluminum, instead? Anyone have any ideas that have been found to work on aluminum?

I just took apart a cell that had (non-treated)magnesium ribbon wrapped around a copper pipe soaked in Alum, and in a very short time there was nothing left of magnesium

I treated another cell with dielectric grease on the magnesium ribbon and it seems to be holding fine, you may want to try it on the aluminum

Just a thought

[Allwest]

jehdds

Ha! I needed a good laugh

thanks!

[jehdds]

This is what happens!
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Ahhh,
I can almost see the modernized De Beers' commercial with lovely hand models wearing exquisite multi-strand carbon fiber tubes, with Pave' inlayed capacitor nanotubes while being powered by the hand models perspiration, (otherwise known as unsolicited thermoregulatory sacrificial electrolyte donation) Tangential topic found here: (Harvesting Energy from Water Flow over Graphene - Nano Letters (ACS Publications) a plasma interlaced ARC reactor because diamonds have become so hoi palloi........
Where is Karl Jenkins when you need him for auditory effect?
Now you know why Carbon Tax has been talked about for so long......
Clever foresight or is it Perfect clarity Hindsight?
After all the private sector is around 100 years behind technology that exists off the record as they say.
Jim

[NickZ]

CrystalDM:
Thanks for the tips on the hydrate #5 process. I hope it works out as planned. The depolarizer is also an important issue, to help keep the hydrogen from building up and creating higher impedance and lowering the output.
So, what can be done to protect the the metal when using Aluminum, instead? Anyone have any ideas that have been found to work on aluminum?

[CrystalDipoleMatrix]

Magnesium pentasilicate (2MgO:5SiO2)

John Bedini talked about this a while ago to protect the magnesium from corroding and this coumpound can take a lot of potassium ions to gives us more energy output. The trick is to make it. Thats the hydrate #5!!! Burning magnesium filings will give us the magnesium oxide (2MgO). Then, heating this oxide with sodium silicate to obtain the coumpound. I found somewhere that a new crystal structure evolve with temperature above 750c. I will try that.

[b_rads]

Material Prices?

Golly don't mention the words fossil fuel.
Next thing you know there will be a shortage and Hemitite will be $110.00 per ounce!
Jim

This is what happens!
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[CrystalDipoleMatrix]

It's not about the water...

Ibpointless was all right about the water. I'm now sure that water is needed but just to start the chemical process of new materials on the electrodes. After this long process, a new type of converter is created. The iron pyrite and galena are sulfides and these sulfides, with the help of the water and the salts ''creates'' copper sulfides on the copper. The rectifier is then etablished. On the magnesium, magnesium carbonate is formed and protect the magnesium WHEN DRY ONLY. Thats my theory...

[CrystalDipoleMatrix]

Forget the mn2o3/fe203

I have tested the cells that I've made yesterday and the mn2o3 is destructive. Forget about it!! The new ones today: Oxide treated copper caps, mag bars, 3 spoons rochelle salt, 1 spoon epson salts, 1 spoon sodium silicate, mag filings, silver filings, calcium carbonate filings, iron pyrite, galena, cruched pink tourmaline. Cook on the stove until nothing happends (no sounds from the cells). The cells gives me 1.4/1.5 volts standing and 4/5 ma shorted with a 10 ohms resistor. The amps shorted out drops then rises sharply after. The voltage than bounces back to where it was. I think these are the winners!

[Allwest]

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