Bedini Earth Light

[Nick_Z]

I understand why John and others have gone to the lead plates and Alum cells, to avoid the breakdown of the metals, and oxidation.
But, can't we make a cell that can be charged, by solar, or whichever way to charge them, but can also have a perpetual output of their own. Like with using stainless steel for the positive plate, and lead or some other electrode that would give a voltage, and some current.



Nick_Z

[CrystalDipoleMatrix]

I have a question to you John: What happened to all of your magnesium/copper crystal cells?? Any updates? Thanks, Jean.

[John_Bedini]

leightonite

Allwest,
you know that if your trying to get energy from something that is leightonite is only going to produce about 1.5 Ma in a cell. How do I know because I tested it when I was talking about Sulphates in rock form. But anyway if business is getting in the way. Then I guess this does not make a living for you does it? The group has been all through these chemicals and some good rocks that generate energy. I have seen things explode by accident. it's not good when it happens and I never want to see people hurt. They may not do it like you and that is the only reason I bring up the safety issue here. It's the little things that get you, it's always unseen with mixing chemicals. One of the biggest problems is galvanic action with magnesium. that is why the rest of us moved to lead crystal forms. Anyway good luck. Oh, Leightonite is very interesting mineral.

[Allwest]

Allwest,
Well do what you must do. You would be surprised what little things can do to you. I have worked with Heptahydrates here, nice formula. really great with Magnesium.

So just answer the question, what are you trying to do with the magnesium that has not been done here before. Are you trying to build a special coating of some kind?

John,

I do not have much time these days for fun, business is getting in the way of fun

R&D takes so much time (as you know) One line I was trying for with interesting results, is by adding Copper to the cell when it was forming I was trying for K2Ca2Cu(SO4)4-2H2O crystal structure on the Mag

You can probably tell us more than anybody else how this cell differs than any other cells

Best of luck

[John_Bedini]

Allwest,
Well do what you must do. You would be surprised what little things can do to you. I have worked with Heptahydrates here, nice formula. really great with Magnesium.

So just answer the question, what are you trying to do with the magnesium that has not been done here before. Are you trying to build a special coating of some kind?

John,
If you think that a 3% Hydrogen peroxide and salt solution is dangerous in this application, then I must bow to your concerns

This cell will work minus the 3% Hydrogen Peroxide as well, it just takes longer for it to form
Note: My point being on the above listed posts is: All salts are not the same. Some form crystal structures that are more conducive to power on these cells, such as K2Ca2Mg(SO4)4 - 2H2O

[Allwest]

Allwest,
What is not simple?, it's pretty simple to me what is going on it's on youtube.
Adding salt what for what do you gain? And what is the list or do you like typing. You can do anything you want until the group is locked for safety reasons. I have seen it happen before here. It could be a safety issue to some people that do not know what you have done with the experiment. The Earth Lights Group is not about Exothermic Reactions that generate heat and possible danger to others, what is the group about here?. You wont be LOL if someone gets hurt or maybe you will. Been around a long time Allwest know what I see.





Allwest, what is not simple, it pretty simple to me what is going on.
Adding salt what for?

John,
If you think that a 3% Hydrogen peroxide and salt solution is dangerous in this application, then I must bow to your concerns

This cell will work minus the 3% Hydrogen Peroxide as well, it just takes longer for it to form
Note: My point being on the above listed posts is: All salts are not the same. Some form crystal structures that are more conducive to power on these cells, such as K2Ca2Mg(SO4)4 - 2H2O

[John_Bedini]

Exothermic Reactions

Allwest,
What is not simple?, it's pretty simple to me what is going on it's on youtube.
Adding salt what for what do you gain? And what is the list or do you like typing. You can do anything you want until the group is locked for safety reasons. I have seen it happen before here. It could be a safety issue to some people that do not know what you have done with the experiment. The Earth Lights Group is not about Exothermic Reactions that generate heat and possible danger to others, what is the group about here?. You wont be LOL if someone gets hurt or maybe you will. Been around a long time Allwest know what I see.

[Allwest]

Crystal structures of 3 different types of salt







Best of luck

[Allwest]

AllWest, thank you.

That solution you mean on step 16 is the same solution you used to cool of the Copper?

Fausto.

Hi Plengo

On this basic type of cell, that is correct

Best of luck

[Allwest]

Allwest,
Good you have made MgO + H2O2 --> MgO2 + H2O the energy out put is 90KJ per mole that reaction is 35% efficient that is degrading into Magnesium Hydroxide, known as Milk of Magnesia, but I would not drink it. Oh the other thing is you should keep it as cool as possible. it's a exothermic Reaction, great, if it shoud go nuts watch out for your eyes.

[plengo]

Plengo, and All

I have had allot of requests on how to build a Allwest power cell, I will try and make a video if I can get the time

For those of you who would like to give this a try, please see the following

I have done allot of R & D to get to this point of working on the dry cells

But in order to understand this new concept you will need to start with the very simple basic cell, (please understand this), you will be doing this all at your own rest, use all safety precautions

Material list
Magnesium rod
# 14 Bare Copper wire
3% Hydrogen peroxide
Salt
Torch
Super glue
Stainless steel screw

Instructions
1. Make sure you do not have any oil on your hands
2. Drill into the top of magnesium rod about 1/4" deep, just a little smaller than the screw
3. Install the screw, the screw should be secure
4. Place super glue around the screw and on top of the Magnesium only
Let dry
5. Wrap copper wire around the magnesium, starting from the bottom
Keep wrapping it all the way to the top
6. Slide the copper coil down bellow top about 1/2" and continue to wrap to top, leave an additional 6" of copper wire uncoiled
7. Take the coil off the magnesium and set aside
8. Make up your solution to the height of the magnesium bar in a container
Solution- 3% Hydrogen Peroxide right out of the container, no water
9. Salt-Add salt to taste Ha! No really, it depends on size of bar you use, so the best way is to don't add any more than can be dissolved
10. Take the copper coil and heat to glowing red, while it is still hot, dunk into solution, do this a minimum of twice
11. Note: after the first time of dunking look at your solution, hmm.., leave everything in the solution
12. When it cools down place back on magnesium rod
13. The copper wire is now very soft and pliable, the copper coil should be at the bottom of the magnesium rod, with approx 1/2" of coil above the rod
14. Turn a small leg of copper wire onto the bottom of rod as keeper
15. At the top, spiral out the copper coil so that it is even with the top of the rod
16. Place in solution and wait for the cell to form, you know when it is formed when you get a reading

Wow! I think it would have been easier to make a video

There are many other things that will enhance the power of this cell, which we can get into later

Please let me know how it worked out for you (sorry about the poor instructions)

Best of luck

AllWest, thank you.

That solution you mean on step 16 is the same solution you used to cool of the Copper?

Fausto.

[plengo]

Allwest,
Good you have made MgO + H2O2 --> MgO2 + H2O the energy out put is 90KJ per mole that reaction is 35% efficient that is degrading into Magnesium Hydroxide, known as Milk of Magnesia, but I would not drink it. Oh the other thing is you should keep it as cool as possible. it's a exothermic Reaction, great, if it shoud go nuts watch out for your eyes.

It is truth. If Mg catches in fire (specially in oxidized form), that's it, it is very hot and you can not extinguish. So, let's be very careful with Mg.

Concerning Salt, Chlorine gas is extremely poisonous. Once in Brazil there was a Chlorine gas leak out from a factory and they had to evacuate the whole small town. The gas is heavier than air (if I remember right) and goes down to everywhere. So it is difficult to get away from it.

Fausto.

[CrystalDipoleMatrix]

Allwest,
Good you have made MgO + H2O2 --> MgO2 + H2O the energy out put is 90KJ per mole that reaction is 35% efficient that is degrading into Magnesium Hydroxide, known as Milk of Magnesia, but I would not drink it. Oh the other thing is you should keep it as cool as possible. it's a exothermic Reaction, great, if it shoud go nuts watch out for your eyes.

I'm fine with my dry crystal cell after reading this. Thanks for the clear explanation John! lol

[John_Bedini]

Milk of Magnesia

Allwest,
Good you have made MgO + H2O2 --> MgO2 + H2O the energy out put is 90KJ per mole that reaction is 35% efficient that is degrading into Magnesium Hydroxide, known as Milk of Magnesia, but I would not drink it. Oh the other thing is you should keep it as cool as possible. it's a exothermic Reaction, great, if it shoud go nuts watch out for your eyes.

[Allwest]

Yes I see what you mean now. I notice that if the vortex is there it is very difficult for the hydrogen to stick to the surface of the Mg and therefore keeps producing power.

How did you do that? Can you give more details about how you build your cell?

Fausto.

Plengo, and All

I have had allot of requests on how to build a Allwest power cell, I will try and make a video if I can get the time

For those of you who would like to give this a try, please see the following

I have done allot of R & D to get to this point of working on the dry cells

But in order to understand this new concept you will need to start with the very simple basic cell, (please understand this), you will be doing this all at your own rest, use all safety precautions

Material list
Magnesium rod
# 14 Bare Copper wire
3% Hydrogen peroxide
Salt
Torch
Super glue
Stainless steel screw

Instructions
1. Make sure you do not have any oil on your hands
2. Drill into the top of magnesium rod about 1/4" deep, just a little smaller than the screw
3. Install the screw, the screw should be secure
4. Place super glue around the screw and on top of the Magnesium only
Let dry
5. Wrap copper wire around the magnesium, starting from the bottom
Keep wrapping it all the way to the top
6. Slide the copper coil down bellow top about 1/2" and continue to wrap to top, leave an additional 6" of copper wire uncoiled
7. Take the coil off the magnesium and set aside
8. Make up your solution to the height of the magnesium bar in a container
Solution- 3% Hydrogen Peroxide right out of the container, no water
9. Salt-Add salt to taste Ha! No really, it depends on size of bar you use, so the best way is to don't add any more than can be dissolved
10. Take the copper coil and heat to glowing red, while it is still hot, dunk into solution, do this a minimum of twice
11. Note: after the first time of dunking look at your solution, hmm.., leave everything in the solution
12. When it cools down place back on magnesium rod
13. The copper wire is now very soft and pliable, the copper coil should be at the bottom of the magnesium rod, with approx 1/2" of coil above the rod
14. Turn a small leg of copper wire onto the bottom of rod as keeper
15. At the top, spiral out the copper coil so that it is even with the top of the rod
16. Place in solution and wait for the cell to form, you know when it is formed when you get a reading

Wow! I think it would have been easier to make a video

There are many other things that will enhance the power of this cell, which we can get into later

Please let me know how it worked out for you (sorry about the poor instructions)

Best of luck