Bedini Earth Light

[jefbj]

I like it

[Allwest]

A little levitty

To All that get it (All in good fun)

One day John and IB where sitting down together HA!

And John had his Alum and IB had his Salt substitute

Well, some how John's Alum got mixed with IB's salt substitute

IB said HEY, you got your Alum in my salt substitute

John said HEY, you got your Salt substitute in my Alum

And the rest is history, and as Slider put it (A Smart ASS mix was born)

OKAY, I guess not that funny, but worth a grin

Best of luck

[John_Bedini]

Wrong Chemical

LesK

Yes you had a little monkey in there flipping the switch back and forth.
Not that easy as Salt Sub, Think, what do you do with the Carbon, where is it.

Tesla is Safe. Just can't pick things out of the air.

I don't know what's happening there. Obviously there is a radical change in impedance from Acid to Alum. My Solid sate circuit won;t run right with the alum for some reason. Maybe the same thing your looking at.

I ran my SSG all day yesterday on one of them, and then disconnected it for the night. When I hooked it up to the charger this morning it would pull 3 amps for a few seconds then drop to almost nothing then pop back on... and so forth; it was like I had a little monkey in there flipping the switch back and forth. I hooked it to my pulser and it charged nicely. seems to be running fine now. I still haven't hooked one up to the Tracker yet, that's on my list....

Les

[DadHav]

I don't know what's happening there. Obviously there is a radical change in impedance from Acid to Alum. My Solid sate circuit won;t run right with the alum for some reason. Maybe the same thing your looking at.

I ran my SSG all day yesterday on one of them, and then disconnected it for the night. When I hooked it up to the charger this morning it would pull 3 amps for a few seconds then drop to almost nothing then pop back on... and so forth; it was like I had a little monkey in there flipping the switch back and forth. I hooked it to my pulser and it charged nicely. seems to be running fine now. I still haven't hooked one up to the Tracker yet, that's on my list....

Les

Yep, It looks like a whole new bunch of things to figure out eh? I shot some video of the stator motor running on the little alum battery and was able to add a little 12 volt bulb to the generator coil and not have any extra current draw or reduction in speed of the motor. I also ran 9 of the bulbs off the 1.3 ah battery for a total of almost 600 ma. It was at the end of all the testing but I still ran the load for an hour straight before it really started to crash. The C20 rate for the battery is 65 ma so that was almost 10 times over what I should have been using. I let the battery rest for a while and it recovered to 11.2 volts and was still rising slowly. I hooked the stator motor back up again at almost 80 ma. and it looked like I could continue running for a while yet. I'm recharging now but when I look in the cells it looks like I'm seeing a solid crystal. It's been four hours and there's no sign of gassing or water. It is slowly charging at 100 ma. I'll see what happens. Maybe I made a one time battery or something. I might have shot almost two hours of video for nothing eh?
John Hav.

[DadHav]

@DadHav
@magnegenix

I use the same one John Bedini is using in his videos, it's purchased at Radio Shack. When you buy the meter the graphing software and the PC interface come as a package.



Mike

Thank you Mike. I'll take a look at that.
John

[Les_K]

I don't know what's happening there. Obviously there is a radical change in impedance from Acid to Alum. My Solid sate circuit won;t run right with the alum for some reason. Maybe the same thing your looking at.

I ran my SSG all day yesterday on one of them, and then disconnected it for the night. When I hooked it up to the charger this morning it would pull 3 amps for a few seconds then drop to almost nothing then pop back on... and so forth; it was like I had a little monkey in there flipping the switch back and forth. I hooked it to my pulser and it charged nicely. seems to be running fine now. I still haven't hooked one up to the Tracker yet, that's on my list....

Les

Hey Les. What's up? You might very well be right. JB stressed not to use tap water but I didn't take that to mean you couldn't do the rinsing with it as long as your final rinse was with distilled. I guess I won't do that the next time. I'm more concerned about something else right know. I was testing the alum battery all day yesterday on an over night charge. I was loading it with the last stator motor that you know about. This gave me a chance to experiment with the extra power coil on the motor. The cell reacted really favorably with the motor. With the feedback coil hooked back up to the run battery the motor would speed up and current draw drop. At certain settings I could plug small 12 volt bulbs in the output side and not have the current draw go up. The motor would slow at some settings but didn't seem to at higher current ranges. I kept having trouble with my MJL 21194 transistors. I kept loosing the radiant with the neon bulb going off. I noticed this at the short intervals of switching loads. There wasn't as much high voltage on the scope as with other applications but never the less for some reason the setup was killing the capability of the transistor to put out good radiant spikes. Other than the spike problem the transistors seemed to be completely normal. I've ran these transistors many times with brief open collectors with more than 400 volt spikes but this time with around 200 volts showing, something else happened that doesn't show up on the scope. Or so it seems.
I have a few 3055 transistors that I can try to use for a short video but it wont be the same as the 21194's
Take care.
John

[Michael Kishline]

Graphing Software

Hello John, All. I know small cells aren't as exciting a big ones but I have to say I'm impressed with the small conversion and it takes a lot to impress me. First let me ask before I have everyone sleeping again: Does anyone have recommendations for graphing software? I have Eagle Tree but it's not good for testing smaller currents. I was ready for some video but I wanted to do more than light up light bulbs. Listen though. I must have done something wrong because I'm getting to much voltage. I know: There must have still been acid in the battery. I can't believe that's what it is. The battery is only 1.3 ah and was a sealed lead acid. It doesn't use much more that 1-2 ounces of electrolyte. I put a tube in each cell and attached it to the faucet and ran water in for an hour on each cell. I then switched to Baking Soda and water and used a big 2 ounce syringe to force about a quart of water into the cells while rinsing. I then left the cells over night with the baking soda. Then I pressure rinsed about another gallon of distilled watter through the cells. I did not reverse charge the battery. Maybe I should have but the battery charges to 16.5 volts then rests to about 12.4. After running some loads for an hour or so the resting voltage is more like 12.2 I have charged this battery over night three times now at 50-100 ma and ran tests the entire next day with current draws as high as 250 ma. At 250 ma the battery will stabilize at about 11.8 volts and hold there for a nice slow discharge rate. I never had this current density when the battery was new. Not to mention the battery was completely useless before the conversion. Know I wish I wouldn't have thrown so many hobby batteries away in the last few years. Any thought on the battery or software would be appreciated.
Oh. I used McCormick's alum mixed at a consistency that left a gelatinous precipitate on the bottom. I have more of the thick precipitate in the battery than the diluted concentrate.
John Hav.

@DadHav
@magnegenix

I use the same one John Bedini is using in his videos, it's purchased at Radio Shack. When you buy the meter the graphing software and the PC interface come as a package.



Mike

[DadHav]

Water

Hi DadHav,
This makes me wonder what might be in your tap water. Perhaps even what might have been absorbed into the lead. I have noticed in my conversions that the ones that I had not cleaned as well (little to anxious on the first one...) do have a higher resting voltage.

Les

Hey Les. What's up? You might very well be right. JB stressed not to use tap water but I didn't take that to mean you couldn't do the rinsing with it as long as your final rinse was with distilled. I guess I won't do that the next time. I'm more concerned about something else right know. I was testing the alum battery all day yesterday on an over night charge. I was loading it with the last stator motor that you know about. This gave me a chance to experiment with the extra power coil on the motor. The cell reacted really favorably with the motor. With the feedback coil hooked back up to the run battery the motor would speed up and current draw drop. At certain settings I could plug small 12 volt bulbs in the output side and not have the current draw go up. The motor would slow at some settings but didn't seem to at higher current ranges. I kept having trouble with my MJL 21194 transistors. I kept loosing the radiant with the neon bulb going off. I noticed this at the short intervals of switching loads. There wasn't as much high voltage on the scope as with other applications but never the less for some reason the setup was killing the capability of the transistor to put out good radiant spikes. Other than the spike problem the transistors seemed to be completely normal. I've ran these transistors many times with brief open collectors with more than 400 volt spikes but this time with around 200 volts showing, something else happened that doesn't show up on the scope. Or so it seems.
I have a few 3055 transistors that I can try to use for a short video but it wont be the same as the 21194's
Take care.
John

[Allwest]

Well, it may be back assward yet
After a couple of hours I stopped charging it and it simply sat there at 1.90V. Normally they drop quite a bit and settle out, but now it's at 1.84V and that's great ! No idea on anything else yet.

Photobucket seems to have problems for uploads, but hopefully the pic of the mixture will show below. It's not little bits in the container, though it looks like it, both ingredients were in solution and then gelled up on mixing:

You did it

Does JB know you broke into his secret vault and got his mix? Ha!

Or did you have a little help from Tesla, on your ghost machine?

Best of luck

[magnegenix]

Software For Tracking Voltage

@ John,

What software are you using on your laptop in all those videos where you track the voltage over time?

Can anyone else recommend a good software that stores this data?

Thanks!

[Slider2732]

Well, it may be back assward yet
After a couple of hours I stopped charging it and it simply sat there at 1.90V. Normally they drop quite a bit and settle out, but now it's at 1.84V and that's great ! No idea on anything else yet.

Photobucket seems to have problems for uploads, but hopefully the pic of the mixture will show below. It's not little bits in the container, though it looks like it, both ingredients were in solution and then gelled up on mixing:

[Allwest]

@DadHav - Great cliffhanger there waiting for the results. Nothing of a bad thing to get results like those

@All - I found this MIT lecture: Lec 26 | MIT 3.091SC Introduction to Solid State Chemistry, Fall 2010 - YouTube
While watching, at about the 10 minute marker, things began to get very interesting regarding our experiments. In the few minutes that followed, i'd learned a lot about proton transfer and receptors and....NaCl
So, dashing to the kitchen, I dismembered the sugar/alum 2 lead plate cell (which was ok, but obviously sugar wasn't the missing ingredient) and followed John's/Chuck's video about the paste formation. I used Morton's Salt Subsitute and, it did indeed gel up when mixed with the alum ! The lead plates were coated, then the alum/distilled water mix soaked into a couple of cotton balls for the seperators. No idea if I do have the right mix yet, but after 5 minutes of 3.5V charge at 1A, it collapsed back to about 0.6V and yet had 170mA apparently available ! It's charging up properly now, so i'll know more later.

In a way I hope it isn't correct, because you do realise what the abbreviation for Alum Salt Subsitute would be ?

Slider,

Very nice find, we can ass-ume it is the right mix, Ha!

Thanks
Best of luck

[Slider2732]

@DadHav - Great cliffhanger there waiting for the results. Nothing of a bad thing to get results like those

@All - I found this MIT lecture: Lec 26 | MIT 3.091SC Introduction to Solid State Chemistry, Fall 2010 - YouTube
While watching, at about the 10 minute marker, things began to get very interesting regarding our experiments. In the few minutes that followed, i'd learned a lot about proton transfer and receptors and....NaCl
So, dashing to the kitchen, I dismembered the sugar/alum 2 lead plate cell (which was ok, but obviously sugar wasn't the missing ingredient) and followed John's/Chuck's video about the paste formation. I used Morton's Salt Subsitute and, it did indeed gel up when mixed with the alum ! The lead plates were coated, then the alum/distilled water mix soaked into a couple of cotton balls for the seperators. No idea if I do have the right mix yet, but after 5 minutes of 3.5V charge at 1A, it collapsed back to about 0.6V and yet had 170mA apparently available ! It's charging up properly now, so i'll know more later.

In a way I hope it isn't correct, because you do realise what the abbreviation for Alum Salt Subsitute would be ?

[Les_K]

Hello John, All. I know small cells aren't as exciting a big ones but I have to say I'm impressed with the small conversion and it takes a lot to impress me. First let me ask before I have everyone sleeping again: Does anyone have recommendations for graphing software? I have Eagle Tree but it's not good for testing smaller currents. I was ready for some video but I wanted to do more than light up light bulbs. Listen though. I must have done something wrong because I'm getting to much voltage. I know: There must have still been acid in the battery. I can't believe that's what it is. The battery is only 1.3 ah and was a sealed lead acid. It doesn't use much more that 1-2 ounces of electrolyte. I put a tube in each cell and attached it to the faucet and ran water in for an hour on each cell. I then switched to Baking Soda and water and used a big 2 ounce syringe to force about a quart of water into the cells while rinsing. I then left the cells over night with the baking soda. Then I pressure rinsed about another gallon of distilled watter through the cells. I did not reverse charge the battery. Maybe I should have but the battery charges to 16.5 volts then rests to about 12.4. After running some loads for an hour or so the resting voltage is more like 12.2 I have charged this battery over night three times now at 50-100 ma and ran tests the entire next day with current draws as high as 250 ma. At 250 ma the battery will stabilize at about 11.8 volts and hold there for a nice slow discharge rate. I never had this current density when the battery was new. Not to mention the battery was completely useless before the conversion. Know I wish I wouldn't have thrown so many hobby batteries away in the last few years. Any thought on the battery or software would be appreciated.
Oh. I used McCormick's alum mixed at a consistency that left a gelatinous precipitate on the bottom. I have more of the thick precipitate in the battery than the diluted concentrate.
John Hav.

Hi DadHav,
This makes me wonder what might be in your tap water. Perhaps even what might have been absorbed into the lead. I have noticed in my conversions that the ones that I had not cleaned as well (little to anxious on the first one...) do have a higher resting voltage.

Les

[DadHav]

Graphing Softare.

Hello John, All. I know small cells aren't as exciting a big ones but I have to say I'm impressed with the small conversion and it takes a lot to impress me. First let me ask before I have everyone sleeping again: Does anyone have recommendations for graphing software? I have Eagle Tree but it's not good for testing smaller currents. I was ready for some video but I wanted to do more than light up light bulbs. Listen though. I must have done something wrong because I'm getting to much voltage. I know: There must have still been acid in the battery. I can't believe that's what it is. The battery is only 1.3 ah and was a sealed lead acid. It doesn't use much more that 1-2 ounces of electrolyte. I put a tube in each cell and attached it to the faucet and ran water in for an hour on each cell. I then switched to Baking Soda and water and used a big 2 ounce syringe to force about a quart of water into the cells while rinsing. I then left the cells over night with the baking soda. Then I pressure rinsed about another gallon of distilled watter through the cells. I did not reverse charge the battery. Maybe I should have but the battery charges to 16.5 volts then rests to about 12.4. After running some loads for an hour or so the resting voltage is more like 12.2 I have charged this battery over night three times now at 50-100 ma and ran tests the entire next day with current draws as high as 250 ma. At 250 ma the battery will stabilize at about 11.8 volts and hold there for a nice slow discharge rate. I never had this current density when the battery was new. Not to mention the battery was completely useless before the conversion. Know I wish I wouldn't have thrown so many hobby batteries away in the last few years. Any thought on the battery or software would be appreciated.
Oh. I used McCormick's alum mixed at a consistency that left a gelatinous precipitate on the bottom. I have more of the thick precipitate in the battery than the diluted concentrate.
John Hav.