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[DadHav]

Dry Charge

Hello everyone. I was just wondering about something. Isn't a dry charged battery originally charged in the conventional sulfuric acid electrolyte then dried out? Wouldn't the separators between the plates still maintain the acid even though they're dry? I guess what I'm asking is: Are the dry charged batteries free of acid before we put the alum electrolyte in? If we put baking soda and water in a dry charged battery I'll bet there would be a ton of reaction. Does anyone know? I took one of my clear case motor cycle batteries and neutralized it by rinsing for hours then using baking soda and water rinses until there was no more reaction. Then I made a light solution of alum and distilled water and rinsed aging until there was almost no reaction. I think I had a start with a neutral battery. The battery was fully charged before starting and after all was done I was down to about 6 volts with no current holding capacity. My refill was with the correct type alum. I found I have good luck adding the water to the alum instead of the other way around. It was easy for me to get a paste by pressing and mixing the alum and water. For some reason I had good results slowly heating and diluting the alum until I had the slippery thicker solution that I think John was describing. I notice a much higher and easier to obtain gas reaction on the first charge. I decided to charge at the C20 rate due to the reaction. I've charge over night and the battery came to 14.2 volts slowly. I had enough time that there should be all but an hour or so of a full charge. The battery was heading down to the low 12 volt range when I had to leave for fall duties at our cottage. I'll let you know how the charge looks in a few days.
Kindest regards.
John Hav

[Allwest]

Allwest,
Jonassonite is to new to do anything with, it's not easy to get. Felbertalite, I have not done anything with so I can not answer the question. I have ground allot of rocks to make batteries but never have tried these minerals. Although I have worked with Bismuth compound batteries, I have made compounds from a mineral that was similar but could never get anymore material to finish the work. Try some easer minerals to work with. Your looking all over the place you need to just get one to work very well. It's almost like your stabbing at things and I'm not in the test mode after all of this crap.

John,
Some of my latest research is trying for a thin crystal film onto the Mg by wet chemical etching, using the cell itself to form this

On another topic
Calculated Properties of Lead
Photoelectric: PELead =1,939.41 barns/electron
U=PELead x rElectron Density=17407.53 barns/cc.

Calculated Properties of Bismuth
Photoelectric: PEBismuth =2,025.91 barns/electron
U=PEBismuth x rElectron Density=15883.30 barns/cc.

Have you ever thought of using these in combination with other on the lead batteries you are working with?

Best of luck

[DadHav]

DadHav,
I must say your the best when it comes to the work you do not leave one thing to think about and you prove it. Excellent work on Lead Alum Batteries. And I might say you have some real power.You get A++++ in my book.
John Bedini

Thank you John. It's my pleasure to draw some attention to what you're doing with the batteries. I think I have a better understanding about how to get the electrolyte to a consistency to match the electrodes. I didn't realize how the water absorbs so slowly into the alum. Now I know why you had the slow mixer. I haven't realized fully yet but I think to much water creates a sediment that is of a different chemical base than the paste, syrup or slimy water. The concentrated solution above the sediment seems to work on a beginners basis as in the video though. I can one up you on the mixer though. I have a 20 to 2000 rpm solid state controlled mixer with it's own tachometer and lever controlled retract. It's called a milling machine. Ha, gotcha on that one. Anyway John thanks, I'll figure out what to do next with my big bag of alum.
Take care.
John Hav.

PS. John This is a paragraph from Herbal Hut where I bought my alum:

"When dissolved in a large amount of neutral or slightly-alkaline water, aluminum sulfate produces a gelatinous precipitate of aluminium hydroxide, Al(OH)3. In dyeing and printing cloth, the gelatinous precipitate helps the dye adhere to the clothing fibers by rendering the pigment insoluble".

I think this is what I experienced the first time around. I know I have the precipitate in the plates of the small battery. I'm sorry chemistry is not my forte. Can you tell me what the consequence of having aluminum hydroxide around the plates? It seems to have worked OK.

[John_Bedini]

Allwest,
Jonassonite is to new to do anything with, it's not easy to get. Felbertalite, I have not done anything with so I can not answer the question. I have ground allot of rocks to make batteries but never have tried these minerals. Although I have worked with Bismuth compound batteries, I have made compounds from a mineral that was similar but could never get anymore material to finish the work. Try some easer minerals to work with. Your looking all over the place you need to just get one to work very well. It's almost like your stabbing at things and I'm not in the test mode after all of this crap.

John,
Have you had any experience with Au(Bi,Pb)5S4
EF-Au1.02Ag0.01Bi4.42Pb0.39Cd0.01Sb0.01S4.07Se0.07

or Cu2Pb6Bi8S19
EF-Cu2Ag0.4Cd0.1Pb5.2Bi8.3S18.9


Best of luck

[John_Bedini]

DadHav,
I must say your the best when it comes to the work you do not leave one thing to think about and you prove it. Excellent work on Lead Alum Batteries. And I might say you have some real power.You get A++++ in my book.
John Bedini

[DadHav]

Tests

Thanks for your reply John! Spending a lot of your time into this and I appreciate that a lot! I follow your work since 2006 (with Thomas bearden and Rick Friedrick). I did my research too and I can tell you that the impedance matching between the crystal cell and a pulse motor does magic things! Strange, very strange things. I choose my way into the magnesium/copper cell because of the toxic implication of lead. The magnesium is present everywhere and healty. I know peoples want to have some big power outputs but I do think we miss the point somewhere. I continue to be surprised by the strange behavior of these cells and will continue my long term research into this. My opinion is: Start small in outputs, follow the natures curve, stay healthy, keep it simple, stupid. It's not hard to build simple things but it's very long and hard to understand how they works. Very few peoples are taking the longer road but thats the road of the success and the future. Our future. The conversion of ambiant energy to electrical energy. Power of the dipolarity!

Hey come on. A few posts ago people where talking about the sense of humor they had. What you guys need is another John HAVrilla 40 minute video to slow your pulse down. Now you know I'm one of those who isn't afraid to use my name as well as now you know where the Dad Hav comes from. I know I'm starting with small junk batteries but I have learned some important things from them. Mostly the alum electrolyte increases the power density of the battery. Well let's say the capability of supporting a current that you wouldn't expect from the cell structure. The cells appear to have a good low self discharge rate at least from my first tests. I made another video which includes a wrapped up anode / cathode as apposed to plates. My electrolyte is just concentrated alum and water but I mixed thin instead of starting with a paste and diluting to get a thicker solution without sediment. Thid id mostly because I didn't know what I was doing but I think I have a grasp on what to do know. I got a few pounds of alum and discovered I could make the paste so I used it to make a zinc copper large button cell and another copper end cap battery. I have a few of these running digital clocks and they must be going for a year now with no water added. Anyway take a look at the video and if I'm terribly off tack I'll just take it down. I'm just trying to show there is current there that we haven't seen with hand made batteries, not to mention how my junk ended back in service. Oh there is also something about the impedance of the alum cell that might be beneficial. A few of my motors have done some special things in combination with the cell. I'll have to get to that later. I might need some help from a pro on that stuff.
Alum Battery Load Tests - YouTube
Take care all.
John HAV.
PS. I included a few second clip at the end of the video that shows how you can copper plate with copper sulfate. The clip was originally about 15 minutes long explaining how the technique was used in the tool and die making trade but I cut it down to a blip.
PS. I don't know how I ended up with the above quote attached to this. I guess I wasn't paying attention again.

[CrystalDipoleMatrix]

Thanks for your reply John! Spending a lot of your time into this and I appreciate that a lot! I follow your work since 2006 (with Thomas bearden and Rick Friedrick). I did my research too and I can tell you that the impedance matching between the crystal cell and a pulse motor does magic things! Strange, very strange things. I choose my way into the magnesium/copper cell because of the toxic implication of lead. The magnesium is present everywhere and healty. I know peoples want to have some big power outputs but I do think we miss the point somewhere. I continue to be surprised by the strange behavior of these cells and will continue my long term research into this. My opinion is: Start small in outputs, follow the natures curve, stay healthy, keep it simple, stupid. It's not hard to build simple things but it's very long and hard to understand how they works. Very few peoples are taking the longer road but thats the road of the success and the future. Our future. The conversion of ambiant energy to electrical energy. Power of the dipolarity!

[John_Bedini]

Yes you say all this

Ibpointless2,
Yes you say all this, but I'm not the one that took off to another groups and complained about someone's work, did I. And Ibpointless2 your not the only one. I have kept lab notes too. No, instead of you just coming directly to me, no you just have gone off and started wining to a group of people that never do anything let alone show you something that works, they talk allot . I would have never seen it if I did not do research on things . If you did not like the way I was building the cell then your a big boy go some where else. You deserved what I said, you on the other hand with others have gone behind my back and said your BS. That makes a big difference does it not. The only problem is the internet, as everything shows up. You just do not get it do you. You seem to like confusion in groups, so if the shoe fits then wear it. Talking to someone that knows everything but never shows anything knows nothing, and your willing to except that . You knew about the work that was going on here. Complaining about me is your problem, as you could not stop the galvanic action either, even if it looks like you did. and if you did you had no power to run anything, I do not consider running Mr. potato head clock anything, Marcus Reid runs circles around you and it keeps running with the current it has. The Clean Battery what is that, something you can not charge with a charger, only a storage battery that's dead. That is all BS too. Yes I have read your life story on science, I would take that down if I were you. The name fit's you have chosen for yourself, that is correct. Why don't you use your real name so you can get real credit?. You can change chemicals but you can't change the physical laws and either can I. I have always presented my work and if you do not agree with it do not make it, and stop your complaining to others, it wont help. I have tried your cells, the one thing I did not do is run off to another group and complain that you do not know anything, I talked directly to you on this group and said what it did, well it quit like everything else with no current to run anything and so do the Crystal Alum batteries without water. You have jumped into the Lead battery and presented your detergent theory and no body said anything to you did they, but they know better how the battery works, it's been known since the beginning of time, yea you can change the chemicals but that does not mean it's going to work. I plainly stated with "The Alum Lead battery" that it looked like a super Ni-Cad battery it's on video. Present what the Clean Battery does with charts and loads, let's see how tap water works with detergent in a lead cell. Draw some real current in the 2 amp range for 4 hrs.You seem to have time to talk about me, so you could do that test easy. If you can't do that then just go away and stop wining.

[Allwest]

Such hurtful things are said about me, but never the less I have kept a journal about my crystal cell research. I figured since it was about this thread i should post it here. It has my highs and mostly my lows. John don't think you're the only one who got insulted by others on your work. Here it is everyone https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...7LVyVbzYc/edit

Good bye everyone.

IB,

WOW!

What a huge amount of research

Thanks for this Great post link

Best of luck and don't give up on what you believe until you are proven wrong ( The big dogs in life only accept the facts, not what someone is telling them is fact)

[mikrovolt]

There were about 15 alt.energy scientist in the world at the time.
The thread was started elsewhere from a discussion between John, lasersabre, lidmotor, and others. I knew this would be the only opportunity that people would get to understand crystal electrical phenomena. I did not expect John to even give this thread the time of day but I needed to try.

When John took an interest the thread became popular and when John took a break it slowed. Those regular guys kept contributing, I have alot of warm feelings for all of them, I invited Ibpointless here and some young people followed him here that makes this more worthwhile than I previously understood.

John's model was sufficient at 7 mA level to insure that anyone there after
would have available the basics of understanding and this is how it came about. John doubled that to 15 mA plus he made kits and videos available
to anyone who wants them. This will continue to be worthwhile for future alt.energy prodigy.

John has to take care for many people some are very proficient engineers who have been building along with him for years and have large systems,
exotic mechanical generators and motors of which the progress has priority.
It is where John makes progress that is where the monkeys strike
and that is sufficient to make right with everyone explaining the monkey raid...
after the bull has thrashed the elves can go back to work.
In my experience this is standard practice.

Ib thankyou for the pdf of good reference material but I cannot accept goodbye,

[Allwest]

John,
Have you had any experience with Au(Bi,Pb)5S4
EF-Au1.02Ag0.01Bi4.42Pb0.39Cd0.01Sb0.01S4.07Se0.07

or Cu2Pb6Bi8S19
EF-Cu2Ag0.4Cd0.1Pb5.2Bi8.3S18.9


Best of luck

[ibpointless2]

Such hurtful things are said about me, but never the less I have kept a journal about my crystal cell research. I figured since it was about this thread i should post it here. It has my highs and mostly my lows. John don't think you're the only one who got insulted by others on your work. Here it is everyone *************

Edit: The Link has been taken down as requested by John. My real name was never important, it was about giving away the idea to everyone so that not just one person would prosper but instead many would. But what do i know i'm just a idiot.

Good bye everyone.

[John_Bedini]

everything we build uses current.

CrystalDipoleMatrix,

Your the only one that can make that decision, I feel if your looking for a limited current for running led's in an emergency you have a winner for a few drops of water.

However, if your looking to run your house you have allot of work ahead of you. That is why Marcus is in trouble, no real usable current and everything we build uses current. Chuck builds the same crystal cells and lights his bathroom at night. I have seen Chuck build them and light many led's off one Crystal Cell. Now, Cream of Tartar slows the oxidizing down, but you can not use very much, one pinch. You should try both Cells as this is not very hard to do. My next video which I did not have time to put up today will show everybody some things they do not know about this type of battery. You can take the information and do what you want with it. People, I think misunderstand what can be done with Chemical bonds and what they can do with different currents when applied to them. Lead is no different here, except you do not have the same problem that you have with Magnesium, and it can be recharged for very little. You have not wasted your time learning all this and it's up to you what you want. The information is on the other group.

[John_Bedini]

Did I waste my time

CrystalDipoleMatrix,
Ok I guess I will start here, As you know that we all started very early with the Alum Magnesium battery. I myself do not think you have wasted any time building these batteries as they pack a real punch for just a little water. Here is what I was facing with the group, I could not make anybody understand how important the cell was. I did my best to explain that loosing 1% to 2% of the magnesium was meaningless here, yes the magnesium oxidized to a point. The truth is I have been running one of the cell for over two years just by adding water. However, I do not stop here as I have been converting Lead Acid to Alum batteries since 1985 so I know a little about the chemistry and what the currents do. I saw Lidmotor get excited about using Alum with Lead and I knew that this corrosion factor would be like nothing else ( NONE). I wanted to jump right in and help to get something that everybody would be happy with at the same time gaining large amounts of current for extended time, I could not give the group the same amount of current with Magnesium Alum copper and no one else could either. The most I could get was 1 Ampere and not for very long because of the impedance changes in the crystal Hydrate.

I could not talk about Marcus Reads cell because of what I promised and signed with him. The Reid Cell can not give you the current of the Magnesium Cell with Copper and Alum, yes it is a true Free Energy device but very limited in power, anything more then 2 Ma and it just goes dead and you must wait for it to recharge itself. Your work with the Crystal battery is not in vain at all, you did not waste your two years.

I got tired of hearing it's galvanic it was like some kind of godsend buzzword that no one ever heard of. I plainly stated that 1 to 2 % in galvanic action was meaningless as far as the amount of power you got out of it. Yet, I had to put up with Dumb Crap and everybody knows from who, even when I left the rambling kept going on, so I just told him off, and yes Stupid Dumb Crap that was not going to give anybody anything for current, well maybe a Mr. Potato Head Clock, big deal a lemon will do that.

But see, this was carried over to other groups and boy did he complain to the biggest Monkey of all who will never show you anything he builds.

Back to the Hydrate Lead Cell, The Crystal Light Group was about learning how all this works and what can be done with rocks and compounds and metals. We all must start somewhere and this was the best place to start. Everything I said about things here were moved to other groups, and those groups claiming John B talking in the third person all the time and the comment being, I just hate that, well those people should look up what the third person is because they do not know anything except what they take from others. This is why I moved my Monopole groups to a new board and started a new crystal battery section so I could get rid of the Dumb Crap, that is not going to get you anywhere building things. But did you waste your time, HELL NO. I have built very big cells that do the 1 to 2 amps but the cost was not something people would want to spend right now, not in this ecomany. I did use Hydrates and had to buy them through my company. I spent my own money to try to help and gave the information away. I got nothing out of it, just more Dumb Crap. So I left to only check in sometimes here as I was asked to do. Did everybody waste time only the ones that do Dumb Crap.

[CrystalDipoleMatrix]

I understand why John and others have gone to the lead plates and Alum cells, to avoid the breakdown of the metals, and oxidation.
But, can't we make a cell that can be charged, by solar, or whichever way to charge them, but can also have a perpetual output of their own. Like with using stainless steel for the positive plate, and lead or some other electrode that would give a voltage, and some current.



Nick_Z

I think only John can answer this correctly. I will reformulate my question: Should I just give up on the magnesium/copper crystal cell or not and why? I have my alum mag/copper cells running right now but I dont want to spend 2 years of my life thinking it's the way to go and suddently see the cells dying in front of me....Please put the lights up on this! Just want to know whitch direction to take from now on..