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[jehdds]

I will try to answer the email I received regarding John's decision not to consider radioactive materials in the crystal cell and after warning to stop insulting people by Aaron, was removed last year. He considers himself to be Charleston Heston and he quotes the monkey in the front right side. In the escape scene this monkey says "Follow me monkeys !" but because the monkey does not believe his leaders he allows Charleston to escape.

It is this monkey's opinion that no tribunal doctrines will be formed against the prior art, but only enough restraint to protect the project from false accusation.

I am however still not convinced about the those claiming special rights, salaried Phd (permanent head damaged) because they mostly all failed to solve the crystal quiz, fail to do what is right, after so many years come here and are bad sports.

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Ok,
Perhaps not enough coffee in me yet this AM but what are you talking about specifically? Forgive my unfamiliarity with the analogy and its application here.
Jim

[mikrovolt]

Reply from monkey

I will try to answer the email I received regarding John's decision not to consider radioactive materials in the crystal cell. This incident happened on this thread long ago and after warning to stop insulting people by Aaron, was removed last year. He considers himself to be Charleston Heston (picture below) and he quotes the monkey in the front right side. In the escape scene this monkey says "Follow me monkeys !" but because the monkey does not believe his leaders he allows Charleston to escape. " The comment meant that John was leading monkeys a stray.

It is my opinion that no tribunal was formed and only minimal restraint is being used to protect the project from false accusation.

I am however still not convinced about the those claiming special rights, being salaried Phd (permanent head damaged) because they mostly all failed to solve the crystal quiz, failed to do what is right, after so many years some come here to lurk and are bad sports. Are we mislead or are we seeing some awesome cells being developed here ? The outcome of John's work should be sufficient answer to your email.

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[John_Bedini]

Exotic Metals

Ibpointless2,
I think I will leave the exotic metals to you and the group. I'm happy with the current I have.
JB

[CrystalDipoleMatrix]

Hutchison and Bedini crystal mix for water fuel cell development

I've been thinking, what if you take two tubes of 316L stainless steel in plain tap water (stanley meyer or ravi's water fuel cell style), than put your mix for crystal growth and condition the electrodes with the monopole circuit ?? I think the white coating forming on the negative could have the same effect that you see in the crystal battery. With the crystals forming, the cell become pressurized and the oxide/sulfate layer building on the tubes transform easily the radiant pulse into useable electricity! The oscillator with the proper tuning will excite the water molecules and they will ''elongate'' to the rupture point. After the conditioning, the cell will run by itself producing the voltage and current for our needs. A hydroxy generator and/or a battery..Voila!

[ibpointless2]

In this smaller cell we saw that the material did not collect the same amount of water from the air. The mixture is experimental and is dark compared to the hydrates. The same mixture with that we have gave before but black Tourmaline was crushed and added to the mix. The cell performed right out of the box. As the day has gone by the moisture content increased, but we did add some water to start the process . We also fired the copper to form the oxide semiconductor surface. Again this cell originally inspired by Ibpointless2. The cell was built by Chuck Hupp and John Bedini.

Smaller Heptahydrate Hydrate cell 2.5 X 2 inch Chuck And John.wmv - YouTube
John

Nice work Chuck and John!

Have you guys tried any exotic metals yet? Iridium, zirconium, titanium, rhodium, nickel, gold, platinum, cobalt? These few metals are very corrosion resistant and I have some on their way now. I'm not going to mess with toxic metals and neither should anyone else. I've also thought to use semiconductor metals like Gallium.

[John_Bedini]

Smaller Heptahydrate Hydrate cell 2.5 X 2 inch Chuck And John

In this smaller cell we saw that the material did not collect the same amount of water from the air. The mixture is experimental and is dark compared to the hydrates. The same mixture with that we have gave before but black Tourmaline was crushed and added to the mix. The cell performed right out of the box. As the day has gone by the moisture content increased, but we did add some water to start the process . We also fired the copper to form the oxide semiconductor surface. Again this cell originally inspired by Ibpointless2. The cell was built by Chuck Hupp and John Bedini.

Smaller Heptahydrate Hydrate cell 2.5 X 2 inch Chuck And John.wmv - YouTube
John

[John_Bedini]

Ions and water

Ibpointless,
It is to be expected that just plain distilled water gives you nothing, but think about what you said. The salts allow the Ion bridge so yes water is needed. Having a dipole is nothing if you have no current to run something. So again the water combined with the salts allows the Ions to flow which in turn give the electron current.
John B

[ibpointless2]

I would like to point out that its not water that gives a cell its amps.

I have shown and John Bedini Has replicated the pressure cell which contain salt substitute and was crushed but still gave over a volt but did not give use any amps. What this test has shown is that water is not necessary to get volts from a crystal.

To get amps from the pressure cell we add water, and then we all draw a conclusion that it was the water that gave us the boost in amps but this is simply not true. The water has never been the reason why we get more amps, the water barely even contributes at all.

I know many of you are saying this is "madness" but I have a easy experiment for you to try.

Grab some distilled water and put it in a bowl. Take copper wire and hook it to the positive of the digital amp meter and take magnesium ribbon to the negative of the digital amp meter. Notice when you place the electrodes in the distilled water you get a few micro-amps. If water was the reason for us having a lot of amps than we should be seeing a lot more than a few micro-amps.

Pure water or distilled water won't allow you to have amps, its has a high Resistance.

Now take that bowl of distilled water and add something like Epsom salt to it and watch as the amps fly up. From this you see its the water plus something else that gives you the amp increase and not purely water by itself.

I know it may seem that when you add water to your crystal mix it seems like its coming back to life with more amps but its not the water that brings you the amps its the water that combines with the salts that brings the cells back to life. When the water mixes with the crystals is not the same water anymore. The old water would have given you a few micro-amps but the new water gives you many times greater amps.

I hope what i've written made sense?

[jehdds]

@John, Chuck,& All

I remembered a video that was done a ways back where you showed what happened to a cell when the sodium silicate absorbed too much water from the air. The "crystal" just turned into mush. Not so good.

Results of hutchison cell with water glass 081111.wmv - YouTube

Your specification of just "two pinches" of the sodium silicate seems to work in the new Hydrate mix. I'm a little worried about too much air humidity now OVER hydrating the cell. Where I live at the beach humidity is pretty high most of the time. If the water content gets too high in the cell it might be like just putting the two electrodes in a glass of water. We all know what that means. Hello Mr. Luigi Galvani.

@IB and Plengo

The "paper" issue is something that I'm interested in now. My replication of John's Hydrate cell used a piece of blue shop towel instead of kitchen paper towel. That stuff is much stronger and I think has cloth fiber in it. Yesterday I carefully removed my Hydrate "test" cell from the plastic piece it was made in and glued it to a piece of note pad paper. I used Elmer's Glue All and now it is a hybrid between IB's glue battery and John's Hydrate. Heat still activates it. I must have used less water glass than was called for because that cell is rock hard. If the cell stops working I will try to revive it with a drop of water.

Lidmotor

Guys,
The paper that Fausto has used is acting as a quick form bridge scaffold.
Microcrystalline material forms on the paper and the conduit for moisture draw without saturation. Just Enough to provide ionic exchange, yet thin enough to stay non supersaturated. Perhaps something like coffee filters would work as well. Fiberglass Insulation may even be better in so far as it will not imbibe fluids itself. Might be worth a try.
I am seeing an effect similar with the microscopic ZnO forms.

Very Best Regards,
Jim

[Lidmotor]

This is what I'm worried about

@John, Chuck,& All

I remembered a video that was done a ways back where you showed what happened to a cell when the sodium silicate absorbed too much water from the air. The "crystal" just turned into mush. Not so good.

Results of hutchison cell with water glass 081111.wmv - YouTube

Your specification of just "two pinches" of the sodium silicate seems to work in the new Hydrate mix. I'm a little worried about too much air humidity now OVER hydrating the cell. Where I live at the beach humidity is pretty high most of the time. If the water content gets too high in the cell it might be like just putting the two electrodes in a glass of water. We all know what that means. Hello Mr. Luigi Galvani.

@IB and Plengo

The "paper" issue is something that I'm interested in now. My replication of John's Hydrate cell used a piece of blue shop towel instead of kitchen paper towel. That stuff is much stronger and I think has cloth fiber in it. Yesterday I carefully removed my Hydrate "test" cell from the plastic piece it was made in and glued it to a piece of note pad paper. I used Elmer's Glue All and now it is a hybrid between IB's glue battery and John's Hydrate. Heat still activates it. I must have used less water glass than was called for because that cell is rock hard. If the cell stops working I will try to revive it with a drop of water.

Lidmotor

[phinine]

I am starting to be really happy with the group finding out the water in limited and structured and special delivery process is key to this thing.

I thought for a moment that we would be pursuing only dry, 100% water free cells and not get anywhere. That is not to say we can not, it is just my opinion that water is essential (just like anything in organic life) and it is a mater of how to delivery and how much.

I think also to have 100% water free cells we will have to find an example in nature first and than look how it does it. Rocks in my opinion are far free from water.

Fausto.

I agree with you and feel that water locked up is key part to these cells. Once the water is gone the current is gone. they are like a plant to much water they may drown and to little water they die. Have to find the middle line of equilibrium where just enough is released for current and can maintain for some period of time with saving negative electrode like bedini mentioned should be the focus.

Hopefully others here can replicate the new hydrate cell from jb and even try to make plengo cell because both seem to have sustained current.

The question is for how long. Thanks to all for sharing their findings

Rick

[ibpointless2]

@ IB
I am going to try the pressure cell next but just on a small scale. I don't have a hydraulic press. A small copper tube, Mg ribbon, and pair of vise grips might be as far as I get with this design.

@John, Chuck, and All
I have been wondering alot about the copper and magnesium electrodes of the cell. If it turns out that there is indeed a protective coating formed on the metals --then why do we need "thick" pieces. Thinner pieces should work and if THAT works then building a pile to get higher voltage would be easy.

Lidmotor

Glad to hear you're going to make the pressure cell. I've only used copper tubing and a c-clamp to crush my cell. When you crush it you'll get nothing but voltage and it goes up and down depending on the weather and temperature, but if you add a little water to the cell will give you'll get more amps.


I too worry about the metals. The protective layer that the metals make is the their oxide layer, all metals do this but some do it better than others. The oxide layer of steel is the red rust, but the reason why the metal corrodes is because the rust is porous so it lets more water and air in. This is where the problem is, the oxide layer can protect the metal but if the oxide layer is porous than the metals will still corrode. Now we have two options, either change the mix or change the metals. If you can a liquid that acts like water but contains no oxygen than that would be the perfect liquid. Or you use electrodes that don't react with oxygen or only slightly react with oxygen than that would be golden. I'm working on a new Idea that will either stop the corrosion of the electrodes or prolong the corrosion to at least hundreds years before corrosion is noticed. If i can build a crystal cell that out lives me than I would consider that a success. this idea is proving to be a hard concept to do but I get closer to this goal everyday.

The fact i live with is that nothing last forever, but somethings last longer than others.

[ibpointless2]

allow me a new surprise concerning the water.

Try with H202 and you will have a nice surprise!!!

Water not only but the oxygen will eat up the free ions that corrode the metals.

Fausto.

H2O2 is not good to use it contains twice as much oxygen than water which means it will corrode twice as fast. If you can find a liquid that contains no oxygen and is still conductive than that would be great.

[plengo]

@John B.
My test cell was made with Epsom salt, homemade Rochelle salt, and radiator sealer (the only sodium silicate I had). That mixture was doped with Iron Pyrite and magnesium filings then cooked. The second "real" cell that is in the box was made with Epsom salt, store bought Rochelle salt, and store bought dry sodium silicate. That cell is still at about 1.25 volts and shows 25mA with the meter. The box is sealed up with tape and it is just a case now of waiting to see how long it lasts.

I am sooooo glad that you guys figured out a way to use this mixture without cooking it. That is a major pain.

@ IB
I am going to try the pressure cell next but just on a small scale. I don't have a hydraulic press. A small copper tube, Mg ribbon, and pair of vise grips might be as far as I get with this design.

@John, Chuck, and All
I have been wondering alot about the copper and magnesium electrodes of the cell. If it turns out that there is indeed a protective coating formed on the metals --then why do we need "thick" pieces. Thinner pieces should work and if THAT works then building a pile to get higher voltage would be easy.

Lidmotor

? to the point (answer: no need to ticker.)

Lid, listen, build the same cell you have now. Beautiful work. Add some "tiny" amount of resistance resolution (carbon, iron pyrite, calcium melted, oxyide melted, Ion, lead and so son). Cook it or not, just put it there with 5 to 10 layers or papers (just like you did but more) and you will have a good 10ma no doubt guaranteed cell.

Fausto.

ps: little drunk now!!! L)

[Lidmotor]

Hydrate Cell mixture

@John B.
My test cell was made with Epsom salt, homemade Rochelle salt, and radiator sealer (the only sodium silicate I had). That mixture was doped with Iron Pyrite and magnesium filings then cooked. The second "real" cell that is in the box was made with Epsom salt, store bought Rochelle salt, and store bought dry sodium silicate. That cell is still at about 1.25 volts and shows 25mA with the meter. The box is sealed up with tape and it is just a case now of waiting to see how long it lasts.

I am sooooo glad that you guys figured out a way to use this mixture without cooking it. That is a major pain.

@ IB
I am going to try the pressure cell next but just on a small scale. I don't have a hydraulic press. A small copper tube, Mg ribbon, and pair of vise grips might be as far as I get with this design.

@John, Chuck, and All
I have been wondering alot about the copper and magnesium electrodes of the cell. If it turns out that there is indeed a protective coating formed on the metals --then why do we need "thick" pieces. Thinner pieces should work and if THAT works then building a pile to get higher voltage would be easy.

Lidmotor