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[jehdds]

Go back and study what I said about Marcus Reid.
I have his cells here and they keep going .
John B

Hi John,
What is the duty cycle and rest period for the MR cell i.e. On/Off? What should we be anticipating given the cells you see we are making?
How hard should we push them and How soon after fabrication?

An electrolyte material I have just tried is simply superfine ground Silica gel, Zinc Oxide and LiClO4. Thanks to NextGEN67 for the LIClO4 idea. It seems to really accelerate the crystal formation. Cell is pressure senstive as well. Would you categorize the utilization of ZnO as using a semiconductor while using carbon/graphite as an electrode in lieu of the Copper with oxide?

Any and all comments welcome.
Very Best Regards,
Jim

[NickZ]

Heptahydrates- washing soda.
Salts in Washing Soda | eHow.com

[NickZ]

@John B:
Good to see you back. Did you have a nice vacation away from the group?
We have kept your seat warm...
Didn't you say that the Reid cells are not something that we can make ourselves?
NickZ

[ibpointless2]

Go back and study what I said about Marcus Reid.
I have his cells here and they keep going .
John B

I think John is right we seem to have forgotten about Marcus Reid cells. I've been taking a step backwards and I've been studying all different kind of mixes and Liquids. Its a simple test place a piece of magnesium ribbon in the liquid with what ever mix you have and watch as the magnesium corrodes away. But one liquid has stood out and its the Sodium Silicate that Reid uses. This morning I woke up to see that the magnesium still look like new, Sodium silicate has been the only liquid I have tested that won't instantly corrode the magnesium. This shows that Reid uses Sodium silicate for a reason. I'm going to try to heat it up with a torch and melt some metals into it, i think this is the correct way to go about this.

John Bedini, I bought the Lecture video but was kind of sad you didn't mention the solid state crystal you made as that seems the be a great cell. How is that Solid state crystal you made doing? How are all your cells doing?

[John_Bedini]

Go back and study Marcus Reid

Go back and study what I said about Marcus Reid.
I have his cells here and they keep going .
John B

[John_Bedini]

I think you all are missing the point

The only way is heptahydrates and how you use them, with semiconductors.
You are spending your time in worry for nothing.
John B

[FrozenWaterLab]

So i thought I would post my results so far on the different brands of salt substitute and what they do physically to the cell. I was only able to find two other brand of salt substitute near me besides Morton's. Here are the salt substitutes I found and whats in them.

Morton' salt substitute = Potassium chloride fumaric acid, tricalcium phosphate and monocalcium phosphate.

No salt = Potassium chloride, potassium bitratete, adipic acid, silicon dioxide, mineral oil, and fumaric acid.

AlsoSalt = Potassium chloride, L -lysine mono-hydrochloride, cacium stearate.

Most importantly all three contain potassium chloride and no Sodium at all. Also the Morton's and No salt contain fumaric acid and this seems to play a role in the picture below.

As you will notice in the picture below we have one cell that doesn't look like the rest, that is due to it being heavily corroded away. The copper has corroded and the Magnesium has turned the glue brown and it too has corroded away. The other two cells are nice and white, I think since these two contain Fumaric acid and the third doesn't leads me to think the fumaric acid is helping to protect the cell from corrosion. If I find more types of salt substitute I will test those also, but so far I recommend Morton's salt substitute due to it has proven itself to me and to others. I do think No salt could be as great, if not better than Morton's, but as of now that can't be confirmed until more testing has been done. This simple test has proven that not all salt substitutes are the same.

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Good test - looking forward to further results
FrznWtr

[FrozenWaterLab]

FrozenWaterLab:
Those are all very good questions, and is the reason that we are here, experimenting to improve cell performance.
I can only comment on what I have done personally or the types of cells that I've made. I have not needed to first add an oxidized layer to protect my cells, as they are not working by a galvanic reaction, and I've seen no oxidation yet. The only metal that would react negatively to oxidation is the aluminum capacitor cans, as the rest of the cell is only dry pulverized and compressed carbon, and a carbon rod as the positive electrode.
These cells don't use nor have any other electrolyte, and can be made using only two items, although the optional carbon rods does raise the cells output.
Cell voltages of these totally dry quartz/carbon cells can generally range from 0.70 to 0.93 volts, and 2 to 5 mA, each, although I have made some with up to 1.2 volts. And some that can light a red led by itself, with no oscillator. My strongest cells at 1.7 volts, are not made with plain wood carbon, but used zinc/carbon D cell materials from Dead 10 year old batteries, such are used in the video I made a few months ago:

P1010117.MOV - YouTube



In order for the carbon to work it must have good conductivity. The better the carbon conducts the higher is the output. I test the different carbon samples first using a meter. Carbon doping test can also be done for increased outputs. Most of my newest type of cells are only a few months old still.

Although these next crystal cells are not mine, they do give more examples of somewhat similar types of electrolyte materials using quartz/calcite/ iron pyrite in the cells that have been tried.
Joel Harvey's Crystal Battery, Endless Battery, SSEP Solid State Electron Pump. Study "Conclusion" - YouTube

Also John Bedini's solid state cells:
Solid State Crystal Batteries In Series 2 - YouTube

Another picture of one of my cells. with 1.2 volts and 10 mA.

Tnks NickZ I am adding some of this type cell to my tests (And this is cold work so doable now)
FrznWtr
PS it's -20 F here

[jehdds]

Guys,
Latests small tests.
Pyrolytic Graphite and ZnO Crystals - YouTube
Also note: Crystal Growth is amplified by increasing LiClO4 Ratio, I think.
Seems to be the case with my latest bench attempts to grow the rapid crystals.
Very Best Regards,
Jim

[ibpointless2]

So i thought I would post my results so far on the different brands of salt substitute and what they do physically to the cell. I was only able to find two other brand of salt substitute near me besides Morton's. Here are the salt substitutes I found and whats in them.

Morton' salt substitute = Potassium chloride fumaric acid, tricalcium phosphate and monocalcium phosphate.

No salt = Potassium chloride, potassium bitratete, adipic acid, silicon dioxide, mineral oil, and fumaric acid.

AlsoSalt = Potassium chloride, L -lysine mono-hydrochloride, cacium stearate.

Most importantly all three contain potassium chloride and no Sodium at all. Also the Morton's and No salt contain fumaric acid and this seems to play a role in the picture below.

As you will notice in the picture below we have one cell that doesn't look like the rest, that is due to it being heavily corroded away. The copper has corroded and the Magnesium has turned the glue brown and it too has corroded away. The other two cells are nice and white, I think since these two contain Fumaric acid and the third doesn't leads me to think the fumaric acid is helping to protect the cell from corrosion. If I find more types of salt substitute I will test those also, but so far I recommend Morton's salt substitute due to it has proven itself to me and to others. I do think No salt could be as great, if not better than Morton's, but as of now that can't be confirmed until more testing has been done. This simple test has proven that not all salt substitutes are the same.

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[voire]

Yay!

You are a pseudo-skeptic troll that is dedicated to spreading disinformation. Diana Lehuna, Geoffrey Ingram and any others related to Lets Replicate are permanently banned from this forum. We have received too many complaints that your distractions are unappreciated

Thanks Aaron! He was even getting on lurkers nerves, like me!

[NickZ]

FrozenWaterLab:
Those are all very good questions, and is the reason that we are here, experimenting to improve cell performance.
I can only comment on what I have done personally or the types of cells that I've made. I have not needed to first add an oxidized layer to protect my cells, as they are not working by a galvanic reaction, and I've seen no oxidation yet. The only metal that would react negatively to oxidation is the aluminum capacitor cans, as the rest of the cell is only dry pulverized and compressed carbon, and a carbon rod as the positive electrode.
These cells don't use nor have any other electrolyte, and can be made using only two items, although the optional carbon rods does raise the cells output.
Cell voltages of these totally dry quartz/carbon cells can generally range from 0.70 to 0.93 volts, and 2 to 5 mA, each, although I have made some with up to 1.2 volts. And some that can light a red led by itself, with no oscillator. My strongest cells at 1.7 volts, are not made with plain wood carbon, but used zinc/carbon D cell materials from Dead 10 year old batteries, such are used in the video I made a few months ago:

P1010117.MOV - YouTube



In order for the carbon to work it must have good conductivity. The better the carbon conducts the higher is the output. I test the different carbon samples first using a meter. Carbon doping test can also be done for increased outputs. Most of my newest type of cells are only a few months old still.

Although these next crystal cells are not mine, they do give more examples of somewhat similar types of electrolyte materials using quartz/calcite/ iron pyrite in the cells that have been tried.
Joel Harvey's Crystal Battery, Endless Battery, SSEP Solid State Electron Pump. Study "Conclusion" - YouTube

Also John Bedini's solid state cells:
Solid State Crystal Batteries In Series 2 - YouTube

Another picture of one of my cells. with 1.2 volts and 10 mA.

[Aaron]

letsreplicate is a troll organization

Well look what we have here... The prodigal troll returns to insult people that aren't me by claiming that they are me, it is such a poor method... I'm not supposed to talk to trolls, but you made an interesting point that is worth responding to.

The "orders of magnitude" claim is a VERY OLD rumor and lifters can be tested against gravity meters (a mirror falling in a "perfect" vacuum on top of, underneath and beside the lifters) which results in the conclusion that the lifters have 0 effect on the local gravity and the effect is entirely electrostatic induction and dependent on local particle density (if you'd read a book on the subject published after the cold war, you'd know that). The effect can also be used to "fly forward" instead of just "up", which implies a force and not gravity modification. Even if lifters have 3 times more thrust than could normally be predicted from ion wind, that doesn't magically make them anti-gravity, it means the MATH for ion wind needs to be modified to include plates of different sizes (and it has). The fact that they are asymmetrical capacitors does not mean they actually modify gravity, only that there is a force associated them that can lift the craft.

Half the people involved in lifter technology still genuinely believe that they are working with anti-gravity. Due to believing they are magical, they never progress beyond tabletop proof of concept toys. Lifters CAN BE self contained, and they SHOULD BE by now. The military has been flying B2 bombers (an advanced method) for more than a decade and yet not one independent researcher even has a self contained unit yet. The anti-gravity claim has prevented independent researchers from properly understanding how to scale the technology into anything useful. As it stands the independent research on the subject is still 60 years behind the military research.

You are a pseudo-skeptic troll that is dedicated to spreading disinformation. Diana Lehuna, Geoffrey Ingram and any others related to Lets Replicate are permanently banned from this forum. We have received too many complaints that your distractions are unappreciated.

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From the Defense Technical Information Center - a U.S. Military website:

http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a416740.pdf

Force on an Asymmetric Capacitor
Thomas B. Bahder and Chris Fazi
Army Research Laboratory
2800 Powder Mill Road
Adelphi, Maryland 20783-1197

This report done by the U.S. Army Research Laboratory states:

"The calculations indicate that ionic wind is at least three orders of magnitude too small to explain the magnitude of the observed effect on the capacitor."

Rumor? This IS military research, troll. Read a book published after the cold war? This report is in 2003! And moving forward can have inertia because of moving forward into the downward push of gravitational potential - you are simply making things out of thin air. You have set a record for false arguments out of anyone I have ever seen.

You say: "As it stands the independent research on the subject is still 60 years behind the military research."

Again, it is in plain English - the U.S. ARMY - not some independent research.

You further display an outstanding demonstration of troll ignorance with this statement: "Even if lifters have 3 times more thrust"

You don't even know the difference between "3 times more" and 3 orders of magnitude! The lifting force being 3 ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE more than the ion wind is not some simple different - it is ENORMOUS!

This isn't relevant to this thread but I will leave it as yet another record of your attempt to spread disinformation implying the claim was a rumor and that military research is far ahead - lol, this is military research less than 10 years old. Whether it is altering gravity is irrelevant - your claims about what it is - is 100% FALSE. Math needs to be updated so that it fits your paradigm! That is ridiculous. Please keep your James Randi pseudo-skeptic disinformation campaign and move it to another website. Do not sign up for another account here under another name.

[FrozenWaterLab]

@ Plengo and All:


My carbon/quartz cells use no water, nor do they need any water added later, and are sealed from the outside air, and can still light leds. Series connection of multiple cells of this type will produce any voltage needed, but with practically no current. Another proof of the non-galvanic nature of this kind of led light production, is this No Current, Potential Only, type of cell. No oxidation and no current should also mean, no wearing out, and so the cells can last a very long time, dry as a bone...

NickZ

NickZ
Could you do a drawing of this cell and give the Volts and Amps both single cell and any combinations you are using? Also age related info.
FrznWtr

[FrozenWaterLab]

I'm looking for a cell recipe that actually works for my 22 gauge aluminum-copper bifilar pancakes without destroying the aluminum wire and preferably without the need for ohmic leads as they will have to be steel and will only waste energy that I want channeled into the the core. I'm in this discussion to "find the best recipe" for MY cells, not just build replications of low power test cells. To advance we need to "take a step forward" and actually DO something to get power out of the cells, not just argue about chemistry. There is too much water in the Elmer's glue for my 22-gauge wire cells and claims that there isn't doesn't make the aluminum lead not break. THAT is why I'm more interested in Diveflyfish's mixtures for these cells: they have a much lower amount of water in use for the drying stage of the cell (while it is in contact with the metal). Whether water needs to be added to the substrate after production to grow the crystal structure doesn't concern me at all and as soon as I stop being criticized for it, I will stop talking about it.


THAT is the kind of information we need, thank you. This should allow us to know if Morton's has a useful active ingredients so people can get a comparable salt sub that isn't Morton's. Do you have one that uses Sodium ferrocynaide like Sifto? It wouldn't surprise me if that is one of the more damaging additives.

So you've done allot of tests.
How bout publishing the results.
Might save someone some time.
And while I'm at it I'll say that the U-tube's are great and allot of info is conveyed all at once.
But then how bout writing it down here so it can be referred to or printed for study?
I'm new so I better shut up huh
FrznWtr