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  • MonsieurM
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    and he maybe using barium titanate with a the coil around it

    Gregory Hodowanec: Magnetic Resonance Amplifier (10 'Cosmology Notes')

    from the above link:

    I. Speculations on the Magnetic Resonance Amplifier (MRA)

    The operation of this circuit recently was described by McClain and Wootan on the Keelynet BBS and in the January 1995 issue of New Energy News. Basically, the circuit consists of a low-level sine wave generator operating in the order of 20 KHz to 40 KHz driving a specially wound 1:1 ratio transformer using a barium ferrite magnet as a core. The input and output coils had about 150 turns of magnet wire. The driving source was coupled to the transformer through a large barium titanate (?) piezo element making this in fact a series resonant circuit. The output coil was coupled to a bridge rectifier to develop a DC output power across an external resistive load. You are referred to the original releases for more data on this circuit. The important factor here is that in the original test the apparent real input power may have been only about 0.7 watts, but the DC output power developed in the load was about 2.75 watts! If these measurements were realm then there was about a 4 times power gain developed here! Where did this extra power come from?

    II. Crude Test of an MRA-Type Circuit

    While I did not have the actual circuit elements as used by McClain and Wootan, I felt that this circuit was but a specialized application of a typical series resonant circuit consisting of a capacitance and an inductance having some unavoidable series resistance. I had available an old tube-style signal generator which ranged from 20 Hz to about 200 KHz which could develop only about 4 mW of real power across its 5 KOhms internal output load (at 100 KHz). The unloaded voltage output was about 4.5 volts (AC rms) and they short-circuit rms current was about 0.9 ma. I had plenty of capacitors (including some 'piezo' type ceramics) to test in this circuit. For the transformer, I had some small potted transformers in which the coils were wound on a ferrite core (unmagnetized) having a 1/4" diameter and a length of 3/4". The primary winding appeared to have in the order of 500 turns of about #30 magnet wire, while the secondary may have had 1/5 of this number of turns. The original purpose for these units was unknown, but the units were marked as 5.0 mH and a 5:1 ratio. Since the possible output was expected to be low-level, the load in the output was made an LED device rated at 10 ma at 1.85 volts DC
    Joel McClain & Norman Wootan: Magnetic Resonance Amplifier ~ Collected Papers



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  • MonsieurM
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    It's called Fractal Resonance...more info here:

    Frontiers in electromagnetics - Douglas H. Werner, Raj Mittra - Google Books





    and the way it works is related to the coil used in the center of the ball observed





    That is what i think
    Last edited by MonsieurM; 12-09-2011, 11:24 AM.

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  • AhuraMazda
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    @PhysicsProf

    You calculated the power input from the battery in your previous post. Assuming this system truely works, that means either additional power is pulled in to the sphere or, the water molecules are manipulated to boil with a lower energy. In either case I am sure the frequency and the wave form applied would not be constant as the dynamics of the liquid change as the temperature rises.

    This would mean the power consumption would not be constant during the boiling cycle.

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  • PhysicsProf
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    A few screen shots from Tim's vid might help you visualize the spherical geometry.

    Note that the "negative" probe in his hand is of such a length as to reach approx to the center of the sphere, in which case, at resonance one would expect to have a 3-dimensional spherical standing wave... Fun!

    Running off a battery has advantages (safety, etc). Why doesn't he just make 1,000 or 10,000 and sell them all at once? (Unstoppable, at that point. ) For say, $1K each? I'm in favor of a FAIR profit and rapid, distributed manufacture.

    Instead, his "secret" languishes along with millions of suffering people in Haiti, Kenya, Phillipines, Peru, Mali, Alto Plano... (places where I've sent my Solar Funnel Cooker, for free!)
    Attached Files
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  • arKzeRo
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    Hi Slovinia

    i feel you pain there m8 as i have lost lots of important data in this way!
    This little console app may help you Foremost

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  • PhysicsProf
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    I've been down with the flu for a couple of days, feeling somewhat better. I've have taken the opportunity to review the clip of the "water heater" with "resonator" pointed to by Chet earlier -- noting Chet's caveats!. "World's Most Efficient Overunity Water Heater ... from WITTS" it is claimed.

    [www.witts.ws] World's Most Efficient Overunity Water Heater ... from WITTS [www.witts.ws] - YouTube

    Perhaps a few notes from watching that and pondering will be of benefit as we move forward. I am NOT saying that this fellow Timothy has all the answers, and we learn from PESWiki and PESN that he is NOT revealing details of how this "water heater" works. I certainly don't like that -- but I appreciate the "open source" nature of our discussion here which is MUCH more likely to get a novel breakthrough energy source out to people who NEED IT world-wide.

    (Note that the youtube clip above was posted in February 2008, nearly 3 years ago, and we-the-people still don't have this secretive technology of WITTS..... )

    Ok -- here goes, late at night but I've been sleeping some during the day.

    1. 11" diameter sphere. Made from two hemispheres.

    2. Made of stainless steel.

    3. Powered (he says, and it looks like it) by a 9V battery.

    4. The internal probe, which he removes and displays, is he says a "negative" "Probe".

    5. Says that the "resonator" powered by the 9V battery sets up "a set of vibrations" between the inside probe and outside shell.
    4&5 together suggest that he is using pulsed DC of some sort.

    6. A simple DMM measures the input current at 0.18A from the battery. This implies an input power of approx IV = 0.18*9 = 1.6(2) Watts.

    7. He notes that the shell holds about 1.7 gallons of water.

    8. He measures the temp outside the shell at 101 F to start, and after 2 minutes of running, he measures 184 F. When he pours out the water into a bucket, it shows steam coming off.

    Observations:
    A. Q = C * M * (T2-T1), C= 4.19 J/g-DegC for water.

    So Q = 4.19 (1.7gals * 3785g/gal) * (84.4 C - 38.3 C)
    = 4.19 * 6434 * 46
    = 1.24 MJ

    So Pout~ 1.24MJ/120 seconds ~ 10 KW
    if I did the late-night math correctly (someone pls check)

    From a 9V battery at ~ 0.18 A, ~ 1.6 W input.
    Pretty impressive, but suspicious to have such a large Pout/Pin... Did I make an error? probably; pls re-check.


    B. Note the spherical geometry rather than cylindrical geometry primarily under discussion here. Something to consider in future developing.

    C. He does NOT describe the workings of the resonator attached to the SS shell. Note that a simple circuit such as the blocking oscillator could provide a saw-tooth or quasi-sinusoidal waveform of consistent frequency -- or it could simply be pulsed DC.

    D. In any case, it would be easier to tune the frequency of the "resonator"/oscillator to the needed frequency (of the sphere) than to tune a cylinder to precisely 50 or 60 Hz (IMHO).

    Cheers! and TTFN. (Ta Ta For now)
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  • We.The.People
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    Originally posted by AhuraMazda View Post
    ... I deleted a directory which was wiped streight away
    and I lost all my bookmarks ( several years worth)
    Find your application data directory,
    find the mozilla/firefox/profiles subdirectory hierarchy,
    you will find one (or more) alpha-numeric.default subdirectories.

    Under that is a folder named "bookmarkbackups",
    all your suff is backed up there as an HTML page of links.
    (they are all dated automatically as they are backed up...)

    once you know where they are,
    go back to firefox and browse menus
    and find the "Import" option (varies by version number).

    backup the newest filedate somewhere first,
    then import the same back into firefox second.

    hope this helps you recover.
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  • PhysicsProf
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    Very exciting results, daemonbart -- and thanks for the warm welcome!

    Originally posted by daemonbart View Post
    Hi!

    When testing standard resistance heater with same setup as my new setup of sonic boiler, the cop for res heater was 0.7. If I calculate cop for sonic boiler compared with res heater, my running setup have cop 6,7 .

    As slovenia said: Tuning is possible during running of this heater, dont expect perfection from start. Try to figure out how to apply this in heating system.

    I have had about 25 different sonic setups heating my house for about 8 weeks now. I need to work on some other stuff now to get some income for hollidays.

    Keep up the good work many things to discover here

    Next I will start working on hydrogen setups, rectified mains at different freq is first

    To professor!

    Best Rgds D
    I think this is a phenomenal achievement:
    I have had about 25 different sonic setups heating my house for about 8 weeks now.
    Sincere congratulations and best hopes for the future.


    So sorry to hear about your computer crash, Slovenia. Same thing happened to my Apple about ten months ago; but happily it "came back" after sitting flat and unused for a couple of days, long enough for me to back up everything important (that had not already been backed up).

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  • AhuraMazda
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    Slovinia,
    Take this as a good omen so that you may let go of what was perhaps mis-information and rely on your own experiments.

    Last week I was very tired and firefox was playing up and I deleted a directory which was wiped streight away and I lost all my bookmarks ( several years worth) and can not book mark any site now!

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  • Slovenia
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    Computer Mishap

    Computer Mishap

    I was updating my operating system yesterday and had a very bad mishap. I lost all my notes on the Serbian boiler and I had over 500 pages. I use Ubuntu 10.10 for my OS, so I was never worried. I've never lost any of my files in Ubuntu before. I have a backup system but I never bothered to back the Serbian boiler files up because I felt very confident they were safe. So, I've been scrambling for the last day and a half to try and put some files together again. This happening was a great misfortune for me. I have a $500 backup drive. I just wish I had used it.

    Take the time to back up all your files.

    I did backup all my Mr. "C" correspondence on line, so I will at least be able to follow up on that. All my Skype online history was lost too. So, be very careful. This could happen to you.

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  • Slovenia
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    Great News!!

    Hi Daemonbart,

    Great update!! Thanks for sharing with us. You are keeping the interest in this thread going. Thank-you!!

    Best Regards,
    Slovenia

    Originally posted by daemonbart View Post
    Hi!

    When testing standard resistance heater with same setup as my new setup of sonic boiler, the cop for res heater was 0.7. If I calculate cop for sonic boiler compared with res heater, my running setup have cop 6,7 .

    As slovenia said: Tuning is possible during running of this heater, dont expect perfection from start. Try to figure out how to apply this in heating system.

    I have had about 25 different sonic setups heating my house for about 8 weeks now. I need to work on some other stuff now to get some income for hollidays.

    Keep up the good work many things to discover here

    Next I will start working on hydrogen setups, rectified mains at different freq is first

    To professor!

    Best Rgds D

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  • Slovenia
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    Good Working Version

    Hi AhuraMazda,

    I have shown you all I have up to now. I'm still working with 110 volts ac. I am however not the only one experimenting with this device. There are others who are claiming very efficient results with regard to heat at much higher voltages. Also, there are those who have experienced production of high levels of hydrogen with pulsed dc. One chap claimed very good results with hydrogen production using a 12 volt pulsed dc setup. Even though I have not seen any of these other devices operating, I do believe these fellow's claims of efficiency regarding heat and high levels of hho production with pulsed dc.

    Anyway like you, I have been in this game a long time and have spent a lot of time, money and effort with regard to hydrogen generation with not so good results. I made a lot of hydrogen the conventional way by brute force and the use of electrolytes. This device when designed properly will generate a lot of hho gas with no gunk production and also just using tap water with no electrolytes.

    I suggest that you and some of your engineering buddies get on board with us and either make some heat or hho depending on your preference. We can use both. We'll just be using them for different things. We don't want any hho in our furnace manifold for obvious reasons.

    I am retired; have a very low budget for these experiments; and need some good help from other participants. If we all get our heads together, I think we can have some very nice working devices very soon. This boiler generates a lot of heat quickly even when it's not tuned properly and it's very easy to make. I have provided much information in this thread that would enable anyone with any mechanical skills to build this device.

    Anyway, jump in here and let us see what you can do. We could use your help and the help of your friends too. Once you participate in this endeavor, you'll see for yourself just how easy this project really is. The hardest part will be applying this device to real world applications such as home heating, electrical generation; and/or hydrogen production on demand. We need some engineers to come forward and help us in the application areas. I know we have those who could help here but up to now they have not been showing themselves to us. I fear many of them may be lurking here for other reasons.

    Best Regards,
    Slovenia


    Originally posted by AhuraMazda View Post
    Slovenia,
    If you have a good working version of the boiler then why don't you share the information publically? Up to now I thought you were using the 110V 60Hz supply then where does a pulsed DC come in to this?

    I am sure there are many qualified engineers here who would like to help, me included but most of us have been round the block and would be caucious of spending effort on something that we know nothing about.

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  • AhuraMazda
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    Originally posted by Slovenia View Post
    Application Help Requested

    We have a good working boiler here in the Serbian Boiler and now all we need is a way to apply it to real life. Some of us don't have any experience in hvac and when it comes to actually utilising this boiler in a real life scenario, we need to know how to apply hvac methods. So, I am requesting the help of all you guys who know how to make manifolds for the furnace and/or piping applications for powering a steam engine or Tesla turbine for powering an electrical generator to make free electricity. We need to think out of the box now and help one another.

    We experimenters really need your help if you have any suggestions for how we can apply this boiler in real life.

    If you know anything about pulsed dc, we could also use your help from the standpoint of which circuits might work best for us, etc.. It has been suggested by several experimenters that this device will make enough hydrogen to power a car or at least reduce fuel costs in a big way.

    I'm looking forward to hearing from some of you. Thanks!!
    Slovenia,
    If you have a good working version of the boiler then why don't you share the information publically? Up to now I thought you were using the 110V 60Hz supply then where does a pulsed DC come in to this?

    I am sure there are many qualified engineers here who would like to help, me included but most of us have been round the block and would be caucious of spending effort on something that we know nothing about.

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  • daemonbart
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    Cop

    Hi!

    When testing standard resistance heater with same setup as my new setup of sonic boiler, the cop for res heater was 0.7. If I calculate cop for sonic boiler compared with res heater, my running setup have cop 6,7 .

    As slovenia said: Tuning is possible during running of this heater, dont expect perfection from start. Try to figure out how to apply this in heating system.

    I have had about 25 different sonic setups heating my house for about 8 weeks now. I need to work on some other stuff now to get some income for hollidays.

    Keep up the good work many things to discover here

    Next I will start working on hydrogen setups, rectified mains at different freq is first

    To professor!

    Best Rgds D

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  • kenssurplus
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    Spectrum Lab tests

    I decided to do a quick resonance check in Spectrum Lab of my old boiler just to see what it was. I tapped each bell with a pencil, and here is the results:


    SL davey heater bells resonance | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

    The outer bell is from 14:06 to 14:07 and the inner bell from 14:07 to the top.
    as you can see the harmonics are scattered all over the place and not tuned to each other or to 60 hz. In fact when I made this iteration, no attempt was made at tuning.

    According to Patrick Kelly's Ebook, Stanley Meyer possibly cut slots in the end of his tubes to match frequencies. I wonder if we could do the same with the IKEA or other stainless tubes to match the resonant frequencies?

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