Peter Daysh Davey Water Heater Query

[Slovenia]

Don Smith Working Device

It sounds like Zilano knows how the device works. She's leaving a lot of very cool information on that Don Smith thread. I think a few of the folks have something running, but they don't seem ready to share full details with the general populace yet. I think if you're a friend of some of these guys they might share full details. Right now Zilano and Daemonbart seem to be wanting to share.

Which of the Don Smith devices?

Has anyone made any of them work?

[wrtner]

Hi Slovenia in your situation I think you should try Don Smith device to go off grid.
Go to the other thread: of 'Don Smith devices too good to be true' and there are certain guys who have the know how.
Wish you luck and yes marriage has to be continually fed to keep going as boguslaw said.
Regards.

Which of the Don Smith devices?

Has anyone made any of them work?

[Ares123]

Hi

Hi Slovenia in your situation I think you should try Don Smith device to go off grid.

I beg to differ.
We are all here because we tried a lot of OU on different threads and failed. Some with less and some with more knowledge.

So I think that we were so excited about this MrC device or Davy because they look simple(but is complex) and don't need some electronics.

So I think if we are unable to tune or build this device is better to drop all this OU thing, because we wont replicate anything more. Example other "successfull" projects here - there are so many factors in equation that you will be demoralized 10 percent into the project let aside cost of equipment and very dangerous play with high voltage, wich I am afraid of and I studied electronics. It goes into energetics precautions. And I doubt many here are trained with that.

Until someone publish 100% schemes and plans and calculations I will not tuch that. It always starts entusiastic threads and then dies out with no results.

So back to boiler. If Slovenia started and with his truthful attitude brought this thread this far let it not just share the same faith.
So we stay oncourse. Find acoustic/mechanical ressonance of can ant then procede further.
Ramset and S you are quite brilliant builders so I am busy to find some common object resonate at 50Hz if I find one 60 will publish right away.
If aluminium is crucial element bothers me.(and I tend to this side MonsieurM once posted about water diode) .
Also I would like to know where calculations come from Mr C. For 65mm diameter of can and 150mm cut and 2,1mm.S please ask him, or I can give You set of questions on which he may answer, You can give me in original language and I will translate this properly and give You S back that You will publish it here.

Please help out if anybody thinks that knows formula behind.

Thank You

[MonsieurM]

Any Relationship is like a bank account (considering today's economy )n you can't keep on withdrawing....

happy belated thanksgiving guys

[Slovenia]

Thanks!!

Hi Guruji,

Very nice to hear from you. Thanks for the recommendation. Yes, it looks like great minds are going somewhere on that Don Smith thread. It's pretty incredible stuff. Thanks!!

Best Regards,
Slovenia

Hi Slovenia in your situation I think you should try Don Smith device to go off grid.
Go to the other thread: of 'Don Smith devices too good to be true' and there are certain guys who have the know how.
Wish you luck and yes marriage has to be continually fed to keep going as boguslaw said.
Regards.

[Guruji]

Don's Device

Hi Tektron,

Yes, I know. She's the book keeper and there just isn't any money in the kitty any more since I retired. If I could drive on water and get off grid, things would be much better!!

Best Regards,
Slovenia

Hi Slovenia in your situation I think you should try Don Smith device to go off grid.
Go to the other thread: of 'Don Smith devices too good to be true' and there are certain guys who have the know how.
Wish you luck and yes marriage has to be continually fed to keep going as boguslaw said.
Regards.

[RAMSET]

For another thread

Ares123
This test was for the TK thread They are trying to compare Light bulb "Brightness" to establish "Power Out"

All this shows [My test} Is Calorimetry

They can use their Bulb with out changing anything and heat some water
and do some math?

The size of the bulb is not so important as the Watts consumed and the rise in temp over time...............

Just putting an idea out there for the experimenters,they could of course Heat air ? But there is so Much more info on water and Btu's to compare.

Besides I think Its Funny.................

Chet

[Ares123]

Cant edit previous post.

Ramset thank You for your work and sharing.
I cant share much because my work progress is very slow (dont have much spare time)
So please anybody with some findings lesser or greater please post here.

[Ares123]

Hi.

Nice work there on practical skills, but I dont understand what you are trying to accomplish there?

You heat water with losses of light bulb?

You have 150W light bulb (15min-0.01Kwh) = 4*0.01 = 0.04 * 3600 = 144W

So you consume equal as normal light bulb without its primary purpose to create light. With its losses you heat the water, otherwise air around is heated.
You know that is not possible to heat your house just with lights on(1 per room). It is possible with (15Kw for house) 15000W/150W= 100 incadecent light bulbs. Also position of lamps is very important for airflow.

Maybe this way(with water) is more efficient to catch heatlosses(80%) of light bulb if you build some sort of container around bulbs and get wather flowing through but than purose of light emmiting would be hindered.

So you end up again much less efficient than common electic 15Kw water heater.

On Mrc boiler.
I discovered that you cant be certain of resonance frequency just with trial in audicity. When can gets thin enough it may happen that acoustic frquency is not the same as mechanical frequency (where screw bounces) so that makes whole thing a bit harder, because can must be polished here an there until bouncing reached. And that can be time consuming.
Did somebody reached frequency around 50Hz with american cans?
With europe cans I am more around 60Hz. And in my view this is right - bigger can lower freq and not the way around as MR.C suggests.
Please MrS if you still have contact plase ask him about that.

[RAMSET]

1 liter 14 minutes 17.6 -C start temp 23.2-C finish temp [total rise 5.6 C }
Total Killowatt Hrs .01

Not bad actually ??

So it took 14 minutes to use .01 Killowatt hrs.[10 Watts], I stopped the test as soon as the meter tripped marked the time , 14 minutes and the temp rise 5.6 C

Can't see why this method Could not be modified to test Wesley's watt usage??

Very cool

?
Chet

[RAMSET]

Very slow connection tonight

1 liter 10 minutes 15C start temp 20.2 finish temp [5.2 rise ] No watts measured in ten minutes

Running another test until I get .01 Killowatt hours [however long it takes]

I'll be back



Fellahs
This may not be perfect {yet}
But I believe we can do some pretty good," Raw" {very raw} tests this way?
I'll be back..............

[RAMSET]

first things first

the proof of concept



See Now I'm gonna have some Fun !!!



So whatcha think ??
A 1 liter baseline ??


Ok sounds Good!!
I'll be back.................

[RAMSET]

Gonjna have some Fun tonight



Gonna heat some water for the TK crew with a light bulb [base line]

Raw materials

[RAMSET]

Welcome

Ken
Good to have you here!
Yes finding the frequency that your device resonates at is Key!
I believe AhuraMazda Shared a link for this also?

I am anxious to get back at this , my Home heating is Out of service at this time .
your input here is much appreciated!!

Thanks
Chet

[Slovenia]

Thanks!!

Nice to hear from you and thanks for sharing here!!

Hi All, I have been following this topic for about a month trying to catch up with all the posts and developments.

Back in 2008 or 2009 I built a sonic boiler from Patrick Kelly's fine Ebook using stainless steel measuring cups. I believe it was a 1/4 cup and a 1/3 cup with a hole drilled in the center of each. On hand in my materials area was a section of a childs plastic play structure. This plastic "rod" had two slots running the entire length of it and was about the only thing around that I could think of to keep two 240 volt wires apart for this heater attempt. This "rod" was smoth on all sides except for the two slots so I threaded threads on it so that I coud attach nuts and electrical mounting eyelts etc.... I also separated the two cups with nylon washers until I had about a 1 mm spacing at the EDGES.

Before assembly, I mounted each cup to the rod seperately and tried to get a mechanical resonant frequency by tapping them to see if they were close to something good. I used a software program (spectrum lab) and my computer's sound card and microphone to identify the main resonance.

Here is my post from another forum:
"Re: Finding the resonant freq part deux.

I have used that method to find mechanical resonances with the following
software:

[url=www.qsl.net/dl4yhf/spectra1.html[/url]

It also has signal generator functions built into the software so you can output
one or a mix of frequencys etc.... and then see the result on the spectum
analyzer display."

I don't think I was aiming for any low freq of 60 hz but a higher harmonic.
Anyway, the results were mixed:

The sonic boiler placed in a 5 gallon bucket of water heated it up very quickly to a boil. No data survives of this experiment, however, and I have looked for the device now for a few days to upload a pic but I cannot find it now.

The water in the bucket turned a very brown yucky color, as did the stainless steel cups, but they were still physically ok.

The copper covered aluminum 14 AWG wires (magnet wire insulated) deteriorated and broke showing corosion powder at several spots.

The plastic threaded rod melted causing the distance from each cup to change and the mounting to become loose.

Becasue of these setbacks and no other suitable replacement parts or money, the project was abandoned.