Peter Daysh Davey Water Heater Query

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Fired it up!!

iKea Boiler Test

2 liters
Heated for 10 minutes
temp rise 21 C [start temp 9 C finish 30 C]
power used .06 KWH
Gap 2MM

Now for the resistance test
? [running shortly





Resistance test
2 liters
heated for 10 minutes
Temp rise 30 C [22 C start 52 C finish ]
Power used .08 KWH
2MM gap

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It felt magnetic??

HHMMMM
Seems like the "Drive ring" is attracted to the Tube ?
ODD

Any hoo this time I heard a little arc ??

So I will have to take greater steps to assure no contact .
Shouldn't take to long, But there is a lock down policy at this facility at ten oclock

Heres a pic of the setup

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Trying to blow the circuit

Things are a little tight in this tube ,must be touching inside ?

I'll try one more time to get It Open [the circuit].

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materials




Evolving




How it goes together [Tight fit]




Yeah I'll be firing this tonight!!

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For tonights experiment

I will be starting with the bottom {cuttoff] from the thermos
Flipping it so the finished side faces the thermos [like in the picture] ,making an adjustable holder to keep it plum to the end [and vary the Gap]
and fire it up in a smaller manifold [1 liter I hope]
Tonight!! [ambitious HUH ??}
Going to Home depot for parts
"I'll be back"

Chet

Thanks
Chet

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Jumping back in the water!!

S
Ready or not I'm off to NY!! Experiments Tonight !!



Chet
PS
RE Tuning ?
Tune something thats easy ,See what does what ,will Thousanths of an inch change things??
This wave we tune to is the size of a planet [small one] .tuning a dipole antennae is always easier than tuning an array !
And this is more like a parabolic tube .
I'm going to make a tuning rig for the ring [as pictured in the New configuration above] on the end of the thermos so it
gets both tubes.

[Slovenia]

Stuck @ 64 Hz

Hi Ares123,

If you are in Europe, your IKEA flask will have to be tuned to 50 Hz. If you are stuck at 64 Hz, you have a real problem. The way I see it, you have two options for tuning.

Option #1
Tune your flask by hand to 50 Hz by sanding and cutting the tubes to the appropriate length. Maybe your tubes are somewhat to long.

Option #2
Tune your IKEA electronically. This is the most efficient easy way to do this tuning, but it takes some electrical knowledge and those who utilize this method themselves have protected it as a propietary method. So, the exact method is not being shared.

Anyway, the IKEA boiler should get you a COP of 4 and if properly tuned higher than that. When your boiler is properly tuned it won't make gunk anymore but will run clean. That will be one of the indicators of proper tuning. Also, it's important that your ring gap is properly adjusted. Ring gap recommendations for Europe are 2.1 mm. If your IKEA is tuned to 50 Hz for Europe and your ring gap is correct, then your ring will make your IKEA sing at 400 Hz when operating, and that's what you need right on the button.

COP Calculations
Mr. "C" provided the calculations for figuring COP several pages back in this thread.

The boiler is a fantastic boiler, you just need to get it tuned right. I would strongly suggest you start with the 150 mm long beer can instead of the IKEA if you don't know how to tune the IKEA. With the beer can, you just cut it to 150 mm and sand it lightly around the top of the can until it plays at 50 Hz. It took Mr. "C" eight days to tune his can sanding it two hours each day. Once you get it tuned though, it will work well for you and the effort will not have been in vain.

P.S.: If you are using the IKEA flask, you have two interactive tubes so you'll have to have an adjustable ring that maintains the same gap for both rings. This would be accomplished in such a fashion as in the vertical diagram of Mr. "C", the can with an adjustable lid for the neutral electrode.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

Hi.

I am stuck with tuning too (at 64Hz).
Please S and deamonbart correct me if my calculations about Ikea COP were wrong?

daemonbart if you have working Ikea please provide input readings and water temperature in X -time.
Many would be pleased enough with Ikea and COP3.
Please post mesurements (cut) and setup. Maybe you hit the sweet spot by luck.

[Ares123]

Hi.

I am stuck with tuning too (at 64Hz).
Please S and deamonbart correct me if my calculations about Ikea COP were wrong?

daemonbart if you have working Ikea please provide input readings and water temperature in X -time.
Many would be pleased enough with Ikea and COP3.
Please post mesurements (cut) and setup. Maybe you hit the sweet spot by luck.

[Slovenia]

Thanks!!

Hi Jason,

Thanks for the update. Yes, the can tuning is a real problem if you are trying to tune it the way we are by sanding it until it plays 50 hz or 60 hz depending on whether you are in Europe or USA. Some others have discovered a way to automatically tune the cans electronically without sanding but that is proprietary and hasn't been shared. Mr. "C" said it took him eight days sanding two hours a day to tune his can properly. He used the finest grade sand paper available to him. Still, when the can is properly tuned, it makes a very highly efficient heater and there is no gunk created in the water either. The gunk is a quick way to tell if you are in tune or not. Also, if the can is not tuned properly the aluminum can will deteriorate rather quickly. After all that sanding, you don't want it to deteriorate at all.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

Hey all,
Just wanted to post an update on can tuning.......
I'm still stuck!!!!!!!!!

I still am not happy happy with my tuning. I've got the nail to vibrate a few times, but feel like it can be better. I know the sonic boiler works, so I figure ill spend my time trying to nail down the tuning & figure out some tricks to make it easier on everybody else..
Good luck everyone!
Jason.

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update....

Hey all,
Just wanted to post an update on can tuning.......
I'm still stuck!!!!!!!!!

I still am not happy happy with my tuning. I've got the nail to vibrate a few times, but feel like it can be better. I know the sonic boiler works, so I figure ill spend my time trying to nail down the tuning & figure out some tricks to make it easier on everybody else..
Good luck everyone!
Jason.

[Slovenia]

IKEA Flask

This boiler system discussed on this thread does in fact work and it is very easy to make as was demonstrated to you. Some very great concepts were shared here and application of those concepts is being left to the individual. If you plan to utilize this boiler system in real life, you would need to have a very good working knowledge of hvac systems or at least know someone with that background who would be willing to help you. Application is always the hardest part.

Maybe someone will pop in and demonstrate more soon.

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I Feel Pathetic..............

Oh But for a warm Thermos................?

Mrs. Db Is so Fortunate !!

I feel My woman Could be Swooned away by a man with a warm Thermos!!

I better get Busy..................


And I will!!
Chet

[daemonbart]

Ikea!

Hi,

Well my Ikea is running really good now! For me alu-cans melting in 2-3 hours, Ikea have input about 1 200 W and output .. , well Mrs DB is satisfied

We have started to install radiators in spaces that we before only used during summer

Have you tested Ikea setup?

I guess the time has come to find a suitable box to put our cans and the rest of the bits for this project in!

The Ikea flask should have been put to better use!

[AhuraMazda]

I guess the time has come to find a suitable box to put our cans and the rest of the bits for this project in!

The Ikea flask should have been put to better use!

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