Peter Daysh Davey Water Heater Query

[Slovenia]

Negative Ground (Response to Puzzled)

Hi Rob,

I failed to talk about the negative ground regarding the IKEA and therefore it didn't get into the Cherryman drawing. According to our original model diagram from Mr. "C", the Serbian inventor, the negative grounds are located at the water inlet and outlet from the tank housing the boiler. The grounds at these junctures are necessary to prevent electrocution and thereby make this device a safe device. Anyway, I failed to mention the ground connection since I was preoccupied with the IKEA boiler device itself and my gut feeling as to how it must be put together.

The adjustable plate at the base of the IKEA boiler is neutral.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

Hi Cherryman,

Great drawings... wish I could draw to that quality!

I have a question that is puzzling me...

I see the red positive connection, but no black negative connection to complete the circuit. The connection to the neutral plate is blue.

So I guess my question is why is there no negative ground ? and why does the neutral plate have a blue wire ?

Rob

[Slovenia]

Drawing Gift

Cherryman,

Your drawing gift to us is incredible. Thanks so much again for providing your drawings for us. It is much appreciated!!

Best Regards,
Slovenia

[RAMSET]

Seems like we'll have a little intermission

Some things are being worked out....
@Rob
The connections Are "Hot Lead" as pictured
Ground lead [also neutral] as picture!

I pray That This will be a most wonderful Christmas for all of us
As well as A time of healing For Branislav!!

Chet
PS
C,man
Sweet rendering.......

[Cherryman]

Don't blame the drawer ;-)

Hi Cherryman,

So I guess my question is why is there no negative ground ? and why does the neutral plate have a blue wire ?

Rob

Hi Rob,

I just tried visualizing the description of information thus far gathered by Slovenia and written above.
I did not add or changed anything as this seems to be a (incomplete) description of a working model.

I did permit myself some construction/wiring suggestions as you can see, but tried not diverse from the basic description.
Peace, C'man

[evolvingape]

Puzzled ?

Hi Cherryman,

Great drawings... wish I could draw to that quality!

I have a question that is puzzling me...

I see the red positive connection, but no black negative connection to complete the circuit. The connection to the neutral plate is blue.

So I guess my question is why is there no negative ground ? and why does the neutral plate have a blue wire ?

Rob

[Slovenia]

Giddy

Giddy is good. We've put a lot of time and energy into this project and it looks promising indeed.

What an absolute privilege it is to be a part of this, I learn more and more with each passing day !!!

And I'm not talking about the "Device", I'm speaking of the Men....[And Mrs DB]

What an absolute Privilege!

A birth is coming .....
How wonderful!!

Tis the season..................

Chet
PS
I apologize if I seem Giddy....
I can't help myself!

[Slovenia]

Fantastic Cherryman!!

Hi Cherryman,

Fantastic Drawings!! Your drawings suggest how I think the IKEA boiler to be. This method illustrated in your diagrams shows a neutral that is adjustable and that interacts with both the inner and outer tubes. This is very well done indeed and I think it's probably the configuration of the real device. I've brainstormed a lot and it's the only design that made sense to me if no ring was used and the neutral was adjustable and interacted with both the inner and outer tubes.

I like the way you hold the top of the thermos in your diagram. Very cool design indeed. Much better than I was going to use. Very cool, practical, and physically strong. Good Job!!

Extremely well done. Thanks for your help!!!!!

Best Regards,
Slovenia

Well maybe not accurate, but so people can get the basic idea.

Feel free to correct me where I'm wrong.

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[Cherryman]

Hi Paul,
The main problem is that there are two different versions of the Serbian device being experimented with here. Primary focus is now on the IKEA model which is stainless steel and doesn't need sanding to tune it. People don't want to have to sand something to tune it if they don't have to but nobody except the inventor of the device knows actually how to tune it without sanding it. Also nobody except the inventor knows the actual configuration of the device and/or how it is driven electrically. What we do know is that the device is manufactured from an IKEA thermos. The bottom of the thermos is cut off exposing two separate tubes. One tube is inside the other and both inner and outer tubes are connected at the top of the thermos by metal that makes up the neck of the thermos where the lid screwed on. We do know the following: That the tubes are connected to the power and the power is 220 volts input. We do know that no ring is used with this setup. We do know that both tubes are cut to the exact same length and fine sanded on the top where the bottom was removed from the thermos. We do know that there is a neutral plate and that it interacts with both the inner and outer tube. We know that this plate is adjustable and can be adjusted close or far away from the end of the tubes. We know that the thermos boiler is used in an upside down configuration with the tubes pointed down. Since we know that both tubes are electronically conductive in this apparatus and that no ring is used, we must assume the neutral plate is on the bottom. We do know that the device is tuned electronically to the best frequency and that it maintains it's frequency hold automatically. How exactly this electronic tuning is accomplished is proprietary by the inventor and we are not privy to this information.
So in summary, it would be difficult to draw up a diagram for the IKEA at this time with the limited knowledge we have regarding it.

Serbian Boiler
We do have adequate knowledge with regard to the original beer can model with the neutral ring, but we have a pdf file with pictures and diagrams for that device and only a few persons are still interested in pursuing experiments with it.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

Well maybe not accurate, but so people can get the basic idea.

Feel free to correct me where I'm wrong.

[Slovenia]

Multiple Versions

Hi Paul,
The main problem is that there are two different versions of the Serbian device being experimented with here. Primary focus is now on the IKEA model which is stainless steel and doesn't need sanding to tune it. People don't want to have to sand something to tune it if they don't have to but nobody except the inventor of the device knows actually how to tune it without sanding it. Also nobody except the inventor knows the actual configuration of the device and/or how it is driven electrically. What we do know is that the device is manufactured from an IKEA thermos. The bottom of the thermos is cut off exposing two separate tubes. One tube is inside the other and both inner and outer tubes are connected at the top of the thermos by metal that makes up the neck of the thermos where the lid screwed on. We do know the following: That the tubes are connected to the power and the power is 220 volts input. We do know that no ring is used with this setup. We do know that both tubes are cut to the exact same length and fine sanded on the top where the bottom was removed from the thermos. We do know that there is a neutral plate and that it interacts with both the inner and outer tube. We know that this plate is adjustable and can be adjusted close or far away from the end of the tubes. We know that the thermos boiler is used in an upside down configuration with the tubes pointed down. Since we know that both tubes are electronically conductive in this apparatus and that no ring is used, we must assume the neutral plate is on the bottom. We do know that the device is tuned electronically to the best frequency and that it maintains it's frequency hold automatically. How exactly this electronic tuning is accomplished is proprietary by the inventor and we are not privy to this information.
So in summary, it would be difficult to draw up a diagram for the IKEA at this time with the limited knowledge we have regarding it.

Serbian Boiler
We do have adequate knowledge with regard to the original beer can model with the neutral ring, but we have a pdf file with pictures and diagrams for that device and only a few persons are still interested in pursuing experiments with it.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

I think this would be very helpful, particularly for new people
coming to this discussion.

Paul-R

[MonsieurM]

Cherryman, would it possible for you to do a 3d rendering of the following device( if it is not too much of a hassle )....read the doc first though to have a feel of what the purpose of the invention is

posted it a while back in a discussion with Shawn...see the design resemblance:

Peter Markovich: Apparatus To Rectify Ether Energy (ATREE)





posted here # 154: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...gnetism-6.html



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[wrtner]

Slovenia,

If it could help I will be able and willing to make an accurate
complete 3D drawing of the setup.

I think this would be very helpful, particularly for new people
coming to this discussion.

Paul-R

[MonsieurM]

posted it a while back in a discussion with Shawn...see the design resemblance:

Peter Markovich: Apparatus To Rectify Ether Energy (ATREE)

In 1899, Nikola Tesla discovered the principle that now serves as the basis for the receiver unit that was first tested by peter Markovich in August of 1977. At this point, let us briefly review what was discovered by Dr. Tesla in July of 1899. If we look at US Patent # 725,605 entitled "System of Signaling", we will find diagrams that described the Tesla system. This system was based on what Dr. Tesla called a wave phenomenon that was not electromagnetic in nature. This wave was able to produce useable electrical energy that was taken from the Earth's atmosphere. This wave as described by Tesla and partially proven by Markovich had a number of unique characteristics. First, the wave train was stationary with a length of about 185,000 miles and a width of about 200 miles. Secondly, it had a frequency of 925 cycles per second. Finally, the wave's speed was equal to or greater than the speed of light.

posted here # 154: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...gnetism-6.html



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[RAMSET]

Great opportunity

Mr DB
I am quite happy you are giving this serious consideration!!
I believe this will be a life changing time for you and yours,I would of course love to see The Savic family benefit also!
And Slovenia .

I must say DB you are an exceptional Human being ,You have greatly Impressed me with your Sincerity and Honesty during our Brief Conversations
And I absolutely Believe you have a gift of perception and understanding When it Comes to these types of things!
I know you men will do the right thing!!
God speed..........

Your Friend
Chet
PS
Rob You are a monster of Info and insight .... The talent here is amazing!!

This kind of stuff can change the world!!

I believe!!

[Slovenia]

Exciting!!

Hi Daemonbart,

It sounds very exciting what you have achieved with your boiler. Self tuning sounds a lot better than sanding too. It's a great device you have.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

[PhysicsProf]

A wonderful suggestion, DaemonBart, and congratulations on your continued findings.
Perhaps we could work something out -- recalling that if any device is shipped or mailed, IMO should be in TWO pieces to different addresses such that the device would work only when the pieces are connected.

Also, when I say figuring out "HOW it works" above, I mean -- finding out the source of the incoming energy if we possibly can, and assuring the safety of the device. I do NOT mean that I would probe inside it to gain details of the construction. I would NOT do that, unless that was specifically approved by the inventor. I would do the tests outlined, that is what I propose. A full range of tests on a "sealed device" or "black box" is what I'm proposing here.

Let's see what we can work out.