Peter Daysh Davey Water Heater Query

[evolvingape]

LONG TIME READER GIFTS US With HYDRO-ELECTROLYTIC TURBINE ON DEMAND SYSTEM (plans)

The mechanical system comprises the turbine disc stack mounted on the shaft, inside the housing which is the environment boundary, and the slip rings for electrical connection. Water is the working fluid.

The energetic system comprises the electrical circuit, the disc stack which is acting as an electrolytic resistor, the slip rings, and the water which is the electrolyte.

The mechanical system is a rotating mass, and so when spinning at any given speed must have a resonant frequency, which can be measured. The energetic system is the electricity running through the circuit, whose frequency is a user set variable. Measure the constant frequency of one system, and adjust the variable frequency to match, and you have calibrated the system to be in resonance.

I designed the pulse width modulated slip ring for this application, when both frequencies are known, it synchronises the electrical pulses to the shaft rotation velocity to achieve desired resonant frequency and access to sub-harmonics in a fixed ratio.

Mechanical PWM Timed via Rotary Moment

This should allow you to pulse DC or AC electricity in the energetic system, to match the same frequency as the mechanical rotating mass, and stimulate the water to match frequency with the other two systems. Water is the working fluid in both systems. If the frequency the water moves too is favourable for a reaction, then the water will split, and we got something different to what we had before

Anyway, the whole point of that is that we are all attempting to do the same thing here, achieve resonance with water for energy. Here is a guy who tried before with a similar system to yours:

Andrija Puharich: Water Decomposition by AC Elecrolysis >

[daemonbart]

[PhysicsProf]

Welcome to the discussion, Rob.
Today I received an email from Professor Savic, and I think many of you will be interested in his question and my reply:
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Dear Professor Savic,


I wish we spoke a common language! but as you say, we now have the computer translators that can help us.

You asked,

"I would like to ask you how it works and where sonic boiler "excess" energy."

I would like to know how the sonic boiler works also! I do not now have access to a working (COP >1) sonic boiler, but if I did -- I would do experiments and tests in order to determine:

1. SAFETY of the device,
and
2. HOW it works.

We may learn a lot about "how" the device works as we test for safety, which should be done immediately for the safety of researchers around the world.

It is crucially important IMO to know what emissions are coming from a device. (IMO means "in my opinion.") I would quickly test for emissions of gammas, X-rays, microwave, and down the electromagnetic spectrum to radio waves.

Gammas, X-rays and microwave can be quite dangerous as you know, but shielding is effective. So we should do tests to find out -- right away.
I would also test for acoustic waves outside the device that could have long-term health effects, from ultrasonic to sub-sonic frequencies.

Thirty years ago, I acquired a state-of-the-art NEUTRON detector (based on neutron capture on helium-3) which is now located at my university (where I am emeritus which means "retired with honor"). I would use this detector immediately also, to check for neutron emissions (which may appear if cold fusion or another nuclear reaction is taking place). Alpha and beta emissions would be interesting also, but would not travel far with even water present.

I have access to these test instruments, and I can quietly perform various tests without a problem.

The next research tests would be to determine: What affects the performance as measured by COP?
COP I would measure much as DaemonBart did, by measuring how fast water temperature rises in a certain length of time compared to electrical-power input.

I would place the device in a Faraday cage to exclude all interactions with the electrical grid. It is important to be sure that the device is not acting as a "parasite" getting energy from the electrical grid.

We should do more tests to see how the COP is affected by ANYTHING we can think of --
Do vibrations in the room or of the table on which the device sits affect its performance? As I read about Keely and his devices, I think this is a possibility.
Do we see changes in COP by shielding OUT magnetic fields?

If the effect arises from the Dirac sea or huge geo- or solar magnetic fields, which would be exciting, we need to devise tests to determine this. It is a new area and I do not expect "classical physics" to provide all the answers.. We have to be open to other tests based on what we see, and prepared to pursue anything that affects performance COP.

Best wishes, and hopes for the full recovery of your son,
Steven Jones

[RAMSET]

Wow

Rob
I'm getting ready to head home

But as usual For way to short a time

Any Hoo
Thanks for all that info ,I'll be studying up tonight!!

Chet
PS
Slovenia
Thanks For the good news on Branislav.

[evolvingape]

Some initial thoughts

Hi everyone,

I have not had a chance to read through everything in this thread yet, but I have had some early thoughts so see if any of this information helps you.

How to tune a tube without sanding caught my eye so I went investigating, here is a video of a little girl making a xylophone. At the end of the video you can hear the notes played and how they change in frequency depending on the length of the tube.

Homemade Xylophone - Kids - YouTube

Then I did some reading on harmonic resonance:

The Physics Classroom Topics

Everything on that site is worth a read through but in particular the section on sound waves and music:

Sound Waves and Music - Table of Contents

And in that section particular pages of note are:

Standing Wave Patterns

Scroll to the bottom and you can watch a video of a guy with a voice coil diaphragm (speaker) connected to a spring. When he changes the frequency you can see the nodes and anti-nodes change position, so this shows the importance of where you clamp your device to avoid dampening the harmonics.

Then on the page about resonance:

ResonanceThe Flame Tube — DIY How-to from Make: Projects

This guy has used a rubber balloon to enclose a tube at both ends and created an oscillating diaphragm driven by a speaker. The flame is then stimulated into sine wave peaks and troughs along the length of the tube when he plays music through the speaker.

So with all this information I put together the prototype in the attached picture. As you can see the the air trapped inside the central tube should act as a spring and transmit the sound waves through the water. Should you get both the tube and container into resonance with each other it is possible that the water will heat. A simple free tone generator downloaded from the internet, and run from the audio port on your computer, will allow you to produce tones at the desired frequency and then you can adjust the frequency of the tube to match by raising or lowering the vertical height of the central tube.

The reason I am looking at pure sound instead of electrical resonance is because I have initial concerns about Hydrogen being produced. Should you attempt to restrict the steam produced in a boiler, there is a possibility that the boiler will explode if there is even a small amount of Hydrogen present. So until it is proven that absolutely no Hydrogen is being produced by electrolysis then it would be mighty unwise to attempt to harness the pressure potential of the steam in a boiler...

However, this does not mean that you cannot harness the steam pressure, what it does mean is that you must use a secondary heat exchanger to heat a separate water system and only harness the steam from that second system in a pressure boiler. This system could be as simple as two stainless pipes, one bigger than the other, sleeved around each other with room for the water to flow.

If AC or DC is being used to generate the effect then I would advise leaving the heating container exposed to air to allow evaporation, and no chance of a dangerous explosion.

Let me know what you all think, and I apologise if this information is way off what you need or are interested in. I will not be able to prototype this myself until after Christmas but I am going to give it a go soon as I can.

Rob

[Slovenia]

Thanks!!

Thanks Cherryman for your offer. I'll keep that in mind. Many things about the IKEA setup we don't know yet. Thanks!!

Slovenia,

If it could help I will be able and willing to make an accurate complete 3D drawing of the setup. It would need someone of you to describe and take measurements, then I can draw it to the millimeter, or less.

Just let me know.


Peace and Health

[Cherryman]

Drawings.

Slovenia,

If it could help I will be able and willing to make an accurate complete 3D drawing of the setup. It would need someone of you to describe and take measurements, then I can draw it to the millimeter, or less.

Just let me know.


Peace and Health

[Slovenia]

Branislav Illness Update

Branislav is still in hospital. He is showing some improvement as the bleeding in the intestine has stopped for now. Bleeding had stopped in the past also and then started again. Anyway, the doctors are trying to assess his situation and make sure he is okay before releasing him from hospital. If the bleeding doesn't start again, he'll be released from the hospital to return home in four or five days.

[RAMSET]

Mornin S

What an absolute privilege it is to be a part of this, I learn more and more with each passing day !!!

And I'm not talking about the "Device", I'm speaking of the Men....[And Mrs DB]

What an absolute Privilege!

A birth is coming .....
How wonderful!!

Tis the season..................

Chet
PS
I apologize if I seem Giddy....
I can't help myself!

[Slovenia]

Message from Mr. "C"

Message from Mr. "C"

For two years studying Tesla's work and I'm trying to understand phenomena in nature as he did.
Currently I report two types of sound with an average COP of the boiler = 52,
an ultrasonic friction heater COP = 2.65,
and a heater hot steam COP = 8.5,
Ultrasound high-voltage capacitive heater and the pressure is now being investigated.

Sonic boiler works best with a little water around the heater, with a high pressure water and electricity voltage and when water is heated to more than 95 degrees Celsius.
With increasing frequency sine AC current increases the COP and the sonic resonance in the boiler.

When you put water eu potash COP increases by 2.5 times.

When the sonic boiler connected to a DC power supply is released big amount of hydrogen.

[Slovenia]

Serbian Boiler PDF File

Here's the promised Serbian boiler pdf file.

[Slovenia]

IKEA Boiler

If you don't have a way to tune this boiler electronically, it may not be the right boiler for you to start on. It's an intermediate design and not a beginner design. The beer can design with the ring is the beginner design. I will post a pdf file for the beer can ring boiler by tomorrow.

[Slovenia]

IKEA Boiler

Refer to page 28 of this thread for information on the IKEA boiler. That's where we got started discussing all of the details related to it. There is a lot of how to information there for about three or so pages.

[Slovenia]

46 Pages

Yes, that is a lot of reading if someone is just coming in. I did put a pdf together of the 1st Serbian model which I can pull out and share again. The down and dirty info on the IKEA device is only about three pages if I remember right. Most of the posts on this thread don't actually deal with how to build the device. There is a section where we first got started with the IKEA boiler and Chet and I discuss how to do it for about three or so pages. That's probably about 20 pages back. I'll try to find that area for you and other interested parties.

Point well taken!!

[wrtner]

All the data you seek is covered in this thread....