Peter Daysh Davey Water Heater Query

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Chet.....
Sorry I didn't get to video the tuning yet, trying to beat the rain thats coming tonight. I'm running out of weather!! And things didn't go my way at all today........ Ya all know how it is. Maybe can video later tonight I'll do my best.
Jason

[Slovenia]

Movies on Camcorder

Hi Chet,

No, I got side tracked on some other home projects which kept me from playing with my camcorder. My wife's not sure about this project and she had a lot of other things for me to do and then the car had it's problem. We'll get back to the project soon hopefully.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

So
Speaking of Vids?
@Slovenia ,did you ever figure out how to post Movies from your camera?
Is that even possible with an older style Camcorder?
Chet

[RAMSET]

Your tuning procedure??

So Jason.......

Gonna post that Tuning Vid????????

Speaking of Vids?
@Slovenia ,did you ever figure out how to post Movies from your camera?
Is that even possible with an older style Camcorder?

I'm getting a chance to go home for a few days [tomorrow] ,so I'll be posting some sexy polish beer can Movies [I hope its the right size Can].

Chet

[Slovenia]

Pulley

I had to pull the pulley off before I could access the top bolt and had to make a special tool to hold the pulley so I could loosen the nut on the pulley shaft. Struts are a snap to change out but this has truly been a nightmare but we're about there if my air control valve ever gets here. That's the part that was locktighted in at the factory and wouldn't budge for me so I got mad at it.

Great to see all the activity. I know this bug/boiler works because I trust the inventor. How to actually apply it in a useful context might be the real hard part. I think Mr. "C" pumps the steam and water through a radiator and then back to the boiler for reheat.

Slovenia
Yes that can be a pain to get out,
I remember once when I was doing a job in the tunnel in NYC the Honda gave up the alternater
The fix was pull the motor to get it out ,
Had a sawzall and grinder went right threw the floor ......... [20 minutes]
should a Utubed that one!!

[RAMSET]

Jump in and out of tune

Jason
I believe the can should have several tune spots,just like when we cut a wire for a given frequency 1/4 wave 1/2 wave ETC.
It seems ludicrous that we are tuning a can for 60hz ,but as you saw with your own eyes IT DOES.......... It may be razor thin slices or axe sized chunks?

Have we even established a 200mm can with .65mm diameter?
Is there such a thing? ,I am stuck away from Home working {LOTS}
very little time for Chet...........

Thanks
Chet
PS
Slovenia
Yes that can be a pain to get out,
I remember once when I was doing a job in the tunnel in NYC the Honda gave up the alternater
The fix was pull the motor to get it out ,
Had a sawzall and grinder went right threw the floor ......... [20 minutes]
should a Utubed that one!!

[Slovenia]

Power Steering Pump

Hi Chet,
Power steering pump and accessories problems on a 1992 Toyota Celica. Had a hard time getting the dumb thing off to replace it and then broke the vacuum valve while trying to remove it from the old pump. That vacuum valve was a bear to find and cost me over $94 just for the valve. Anyway, it's been a real pain repair and I'm ready to get back to the boiler bad.
Best Regards,
Slovenia

S whatcha fixin??

[RAMSET]

Muddy waters..........

Duncan

A true replication [as close as possible]
This device and Davey's may be working in similar ways,however
I can't take that to the bank!
There is a critical "TUNE" where things should start Jumping!! cop 12 is monstrous!! It will be quite evident when we hit the sweet spot!!

We have a PDF , a man who has a running unit and will answer questions .

Thats the direction to go, a replication of the Professors device!

Ans yes there are a slew of variables !

We think alike Duncan.

Lets do this.............

Chet
PS
S whatcha fixin??

[Duncan]

Hi ramset quite right the time to heat a fixed quantity of water and of course the power taken! Consider for a moment a holiday tea maker this sort of thing Travel Immersion Water Heater - Dual Voltage | Going In Style Travel Accessories

Duncan
You are absolutely Correct 100 %
This Resistance heating will manifest in the presence of two spoons
or whatever one chooses!

The real thing to measure here is Time to heat,and once we get a few replications going ,we can establish a test protocol for this.
We have a friend here "Tinsel Koala" who has assisted many times with measurements.
I will not pester him until it becomes obvious we have something special going on here!

Thank you so much for your contribution

Gotta get back to work...............

Chet

[Slovenia]

Thanks!!

Jason,

Thanks for all your efforts and for sharing with us. I'm busy working on a dumb car.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

All,
I think the can is down to a hair under 7 1/8" now, just measured with a regular tape, instead of calipers. That translates to about 181mm. length from bottom of can. I will try to video it in the morning to get ya alls opinion if its tuned or not. I kinda feel like it could be better. When i started out with this can, i left the bevel on it just to try, and could not find a freq. to make the nail move. So i cut bevel off and started sanding can, 7 3/16" @ 100hz. made nail move. so it dont take much to change the can.
Jason

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All,
I think the can is down to a hair under 7 1/8" now, just measured with a regular tape, instead of calipers. That translates to about 181mm. length from bottom of can. I will try to video it in the morning to get ya alls opinion if its tuned or not. I kinda feel like it could be better. When i started out with this can, i left the bevel on it just to try, and could not find a freq. to make the nail move. So i cut bevel off and started sanding can, 7 3/16" @ 100hz. made nail move. so it dont take much to change the can.
Jason

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60 hz length

My 20 oz. Red bull can is now 7 1/8" long measured from the bottom, and nail is vibrating off of can at 12 inches playing 60 Hz. Test tone off of internet. The nail isn't super bouncey like it was last night with the other can, but I think I'm getting there! The nail don't bounce when I try to play the natural hum of the stereo to it. Chet, you may be right about the manufactured tones not being the same as your mains tones.
Jason

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red bull 20 oz

All,
I just got back from town with a 20 oz red bull can. Measurements as follows....
Diamater....2.598" __ 65.98mm
Length........7.663" __ 194.64mm

So, its a little to fat and a little to short.
Dia. Measurement was taken at middle of can. Very top and bottom are 7 thousandths bigger.

Length was measured with can laying on side from top to bottom.
....can is full ,unopened.
We will lose .230 when we cut the bevel off like Slovenia said to. That puts us at 7.230" as a length for the can IF we cut it just right. That's my starting point, ill let ya know!
Cheers, Jason

[Slovenia]

Hot Connect; Neutral Connection; Can Length USA

Hi Boguslaw,

Connections:
The hot is the can and the neutral is the ring.
Can Length USA:
The can length needs to be 200mm in length and the diameter should be as close to 65mm as possible.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

What is the can parameters you are looking for 60Hz current there in USA ? Exactly what length you need ?

I have also a bit of problems to understand how you would like to step it up from 110 to 220V.After using transformer how to find which is hot connection and which is neutral ?
I have checked my 12/230V inverter and seems that both outputs can light neon :-( No neutral ?

[boguslaw]

What is the can parameters you are looking for 60Hz current there in USA ? Exactly what length you need ?

I have also a bit of problems to understand how you would like to step it up from 110 to 220V.After using transformer how to find which is hot connection and which is neutral ?
I have checked my 12/230V inverter and seems that both outputs can light neon :-( No neutral ?

[Duncan]

I've just been playing with the Joules/sec and watts to amps conversion How do you convert Watts to Joules? - Yahoo! Answers and although my meter is aged and not calibrated,and a thing bubbling in a jam jar by my computer is certainty not laboratory conditions the maths would seem to indicate that a constant draw of at least 2.5 amps should have been required to raise the temperature of that water up to boiling in that time period.
Still I could well be in error or my meters incorrect I'll await some supporting evidence or duplication.
and go and scribble a bit more....