Peter Daysh Davey Water Heater Query

[Slovenia]

Tinypic

Hi Jason,

Nice pics. Use tinypics to upload your pics to the forum. All you have to do is just paste a link on the forum to your pic and tinypics, and it doesn't take any room at Energetic, so you can post as many pics as you like. We'd like to see all your pics. If you send all your pics to me at [email protected], I'll post them for you. We are interested in your project. Your can looks very good.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

Here are my pictures, not much to see really. Hope i done it right. The site says im almost out of room for pics so they may be huge! gonna go mess with tuning, I'll post results later.

Cheers, Jason

I plan on mounting it to the inside of a five gallon bucket when I get it all together.
I did'nt get to town today for a 20 oz. can, maybe tomorrow.

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pictures

Here are my pictures, not much to see really. Hope i done it right. The site says im almost out of room for pics so they may be huge! gonna go mess with tuning, I'll post results later.

Cheers, Jason

I plan on mounting it to the inside of a five gallon bucket when I get it all together.
I did'nt get to town today for a 20 oz. can, maybe tomorrow.

[RAMSET]

tuning question

Slovenia
Can you run thru your current understanding of Tuning protocol??
I tried to cut and paste from your PDF but this Computer is NG [I'm away from home]

One thing I am fuzzy on is Professor Savic says the Pendulum should vibrate
as it leans against the thinner end of the can??

Is the Pin and pendulum acting as a "Pick up" ??
Extra sensitive vibrating before the can actually does??

I'm confused on this point and it does seem critical ??

Help

Thanks
Chet
PS
I see Jason posted a similar question

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I really can't say I understand the nail-pin thing, becuse I've never done it but I've only tried it once just to see what happens, and didn't put much effort into it. I'm sure ill get the hang of it with ya alls help. Haven't forgot the pic,s will put them here in a bit.
Jason

[RAMSET]

You got it!!!!!!!

Jason
That sounds correct ,get the hum going ...........
I don't believe distance will play to much of a role ,a 60hz wave is the size of the planet peak to peak [slight exaggeration].
But volume will be important , getting the can to react at softer volume settings will yield the best results IMNSHO.

You do understand the nail hanging part [dimensions ,position] ??
well its actually more like a pin ?

Thanks
Chet

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Slovenia, thanks for the tips, I'm in USA, 25 miles east of evansville indiana, so i will be tuning to 60 Hz. Chet, I understand what you mean by the humming. I guess the can should hum when the "feedback" is played through speakers? The shop has a stereo in it that can be put on an aux. Channel, with no input it may hum if the volume is turned up, ill try later. What do ya all think the optimum distance from the speakers would be? If the can gets in resonance to 60 Hz, would it vibrate farther away (like 8 feet or so ) from speaker? I did notice if I flick the can, it rings by itself. Do ya think I could cut sand to try to match the sound coming from the speakers by ear? That'll be my last resort. I'll look up wrenters post to get some ideas, thanks to all and I will post pics later, got to get kids baths and put to bed,then dad can play more!
Jason

[RAMSET]

Still traveling

Cornfused
The proper tuning method is to get "feedback" sound off your mains! [feedback may not be the right word here, that "HUM" sound]
You want this device tuned to your particular mains frequency!!

If you tune it to a manufactured freq it may not work??
Every house can have a slight variation of the power !

It has been suggested to use the audio hum that you hear in your speakers when they are turned up?
Like an amplifier [guitar] does before you send the signal thru!

I am working out of town for at least another week,when I get home I plan On getting real busy Tuning ,I am grabbing one of my sons small guitar amps for this ,but Wrtner has posted several methods for doing this [read thru his early posts in this thread]

Thanks for posting.

Chet

[Slovenia]

Nice

Jason,

Nice, look forward to seeing your pictures. You need to tune the can to 60 hz for USA and 50 hz for Europe. If the can is tuned properly and the ring is built and adjusted to the right specifications then the ring will make the can sing at either 400 hz or 300 hz depending on whether you are in USA or Europe.

Thanks for sharing with us!!

Best Regards,
Slovenia

Well got the red bull can mounted to my drill and top cut off. Tried to tune it using some test sounds from the internet over a smartphone. The nail vibrated a little at 400 Hz. But the phone had to be almost touching the can. Not sure this is the right way to do this. Later tonight I will bring wifes laptop and some speakers out to shop and see if I can find a program to try bunches of Hz. Frequencies. Any ideas?? Will also post pictures later. Can't upload off of phone.
Jason

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Well got the red bull can mounted to my drill and top cut off. Tried to tune it using some test sounds from the internet over a smartphone. The nail vibrated a little at 400 Hz. But the phone had to be almost touching the can. Not sure this is the right way to do this. Later tonight I will bring wifes laptop and some speakers out to shop and see if I can find a program to try bunches of Hz. Frequencies. Any ideas?? Will also post pictures later. Can't upload off of phone.
Jason

[Slovenia]

Red Bull Can Specs

Hi Jason,

Thanks for getting the specs on the 16.9 oz can of Red Bull. The diameter is a little off spec. Mr. "C" asked that the diameter be 65mm, so I don't know if this will effect anything or not. It might!! He was very specific about the 65mm diameter scenario. Anyway, we do have access to a can that we won't have to splice and that's very nice indeed. He also said that the US can length needed to be 200mm, so I'm thinking the 20 oz can will be our can. We need to try out the 16.9 oz can and see what it does for us though. It might work. Anyway, please have a go at this experiment and try your Red Bull can out. We'd like to be privy to your results too if that's okay.

Thanks again for sharing your information with us!! Yes, the Red Bull will give you maybe a lot more energy than you need. You might want to try it out at home first. Some students use it to stay up late at night and study.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

The measurements for the 16 ounce red bull can was.......

2.464" dia. == 62.585 mm.
6.080" length ===154.432mm.

Measured with dial calipers..

I measured the length from the radius on the bottom of can right where it bends from bottom to side...toward the top to where it bends in to form the lid.

If 200mm. is gonna be better, we may need to go for the 20 oz. can. I seen it, it was a good inch taller, im not sure if it was a bigger diameter. I'll crack that red bull open tomorrow morning in place of coffee, the ad says it gives you "wings!"

Cheers, Jason

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16 Oz. measurements

The measurements for the 16 ounce red bull can was.......

2.464" dia. == 62.585 mm.
6.080" length ===154.432mm.

Measured with dial calipers..

I measured the length from the radius on the bottom of can right where it bends from bottom to side...toward the top to where it bends in to form the lid.

If 200mm. is gonna be better, we may need to go for the 20 oz. can. I seen it, it was a good inch taller, im not sure if it was a bigger diameter. I'll crack that red bull open tomorrow morning in place of coffee, the ad says it gives you "wings!"

Cheers, Jason

[Slovenia]

Sound off from internet

Hi Jason,

Great to hear from you. The can needs to be at least 150mm in length. To get a 60 hz ring, we may need a bit more length too. The inventor recently suggested 200mm in length as being better. The inventor is getting his 60 hz tone off the Internet to vibrate his can against the nail hanging from the thread. Thanks for sharing here!!

Best Regards,
Slovenia

Hey all.
Another lurker here, I've been following this thread with great intrest. I just got back from the local gas station, red bull was sold in 12_16_20 ounce sizes. No 16.9 oz. I did buy the 16 ounce size, and I will measure the diamater and length before I open it and post back if ya all are interested. Maybe 16 oz. Is the volume of product and not the capacity of the can. Anyways, I plan on starting this, gonna reread slovania's notes again from the good professor and dig in. Not sure how to sound "sound off" from internet, any ideas? I'll figure something out!
Good luck to all!!
Jason

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red bull

Hey all.
Another lurker here, I've been following this thread with great intrest. I just got back from the local gas station, red bull was sold in 12_16_20 ounce sizes. No 16.9 oz. I did buy the 16 ounce size, and I will measure the diamater and length before I open it and post back if ya all are interested. Maybe 16 oz. Is the volume of product and not the capacity of the can. Anyways, I plan on starting this, gonna reread slovania's notes again from the good professor and dig in. Not sure how to sound "sound off" from internet, any ideas? I'll figure something out!
Good luck to all!!
Jason

[Slovenia]

Thanks for sharing this!!

Very great indeed!!

"Until one is committed, there is hesitancy,the chance to draw back, always ineffectiveness. Concerning all acts of initiative and creation, there is one elementary truth, the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. All sorts of things occur to help one that would never have otherwise occurred. A whole... stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents and meetings and material assistance which no man can have dreamed would have come his way. Whatever you can do or dream you can begin it. Boldness has genius, power, and magic in it. Begin it now." ~ Goethe

[Slovenia]

Daemonbart Pics

Hi Daemonbart,

I want to see your pics. Please post them for us to see. I want to see how others build too. I have shown you my stuff. Thanks for sharing here!!

Steam, electricity and yes, we're on the same wave length. This is huge!!

Best Regards,
Slovenia

Pictures are of course of big value in this matter.
Maybe I am wrong here, but would not a cop 10-12 device be able to loop back for selfrunning? The cop is peaking in steam mode, as a refrigeration guy, for me this is strange

And we all know that steam=electricity

I am really a newbie at this but I think alot of following question:

What do you fellows think, should we start to look behind our shoulders already or am I just far from reality?

I think we can build this together and I have hard to view what it will mean for the future. Sure some rich people will get poor over night , but how can our friends and family remain safe?

I hold my pics until I know what you fellows think.

About sanding I use 3M 07777 RED SCOTCH BRITE PADS, 20 PER BOX. COARSE GRIT

Not so lurky for the moment

Kind regards D