Peter Daysh Davey Water Heater Query

[MonsieurM]

And yes I do still like too play around with it, but the fun of sharing in this forum is starting to disappear.

Regards C'man

Cherryman, you doing good by us all...and yes you are making a difference by showing others it can be done

the fun part has indeed just started for your experimentation...

Thank you for Taking the First Step

[boguslaw]

Cherryman

Is your many times boiler water still so fast heated when its temperature is back to 20 degrees celsius ?

I'm still trying to get thing resonate at 400Hz. My theories were posted here. I believe it is simple device : a motor of strange type.

This is how it works : by sonic vibrations of hot electrode ,water is agitated at 50Hz and struck neutral electrode which is the essense and must vibrate at higher octave very sharply and this has to be strictly such frequency to produce standing waves around the circumference of hot electrode so 50Hz vibrations are smeared around the circumference of it (the best shape seems to be ball). The effect is like running a motor at 24000 rpm and cavitation occur inside beer can or ball or other hot electrode shape. The lifetime is limited to wall of hot and neutral electrodes durability because this is transverse vibration of walls metal exactly like in bell.

In essence it is EXACT replication of tibet singing bowl energizing.

[Cherryman]

Good discussion! ....

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You think it is a good discussion? I don't see any relevant discussion. First it (in general) was begging for replicants and information sharing.. But now there is a smell of a useful device everyone seems to hide out and wait.

I Posted a few vids, observations, questions, and the response is almost zero. Besides you, a thumbs up and good assistance with the formula, I did not see anyone really participating in even the minor questions.

So I start to wonder why I'm even bothering.

People seems (that might include me) to be becoming more and more itchy in this subforum.
Besides that I have a hard time connecting at all to this forum the last two weeks (Aaron?)

Can't help the feeling someone is smelling $$ (And I don't mean someone special, it just has a strange feeling to it ) Yes, I know about the open source and patenting stuff, and that could be important. But to me it is delay, withholding of information accomplished as group effort.

And until nothing is proven, why not share results, setups etc?
If anyone, like Lidmotor, Davro for example (sorry Sirs , in the electronics department of the forum, .. would stop posting as soon they find something interesting, it would be a quit place around here.

If this whole heater idea works, it has the simplicity of being easy replicated, patents or not, for home use anyone could make it for a few dollars.
And if it would really deliver "free" energy, or let's say above COP, then combined with the simplicity, no patent will be able to stop it, or prevent people from using it.

The only real problem would be the government aka (tax) law.

Anyway for Me it is about having a good time, fun with discovering and experimenting AND sharing, results, questions etc. The idea I might contribute a small part and the hope someone around the world comes out with something without delays, stories or other stuff.

Let's be clear, I do hope it works, and I give all the credits tho those hardworking pioneers here and else.

And yes I do still like too play around with it, but the fun of sharing in this forum is starting to disappear.

Regards C'man

[PhysicsProf]

Good discussion! I've been thinking about a variable-frequency inverter also -- I suppose we all have. Is there any way to take an off-the-shelf inverter and modify it for variable freq, within a small range anyway? What "locks" the frequency in a "cheap" inverter?

I'm enjoying your vids Cherryman, and appreciate your response:

@Prof,


Hi prof,

I did some testing on water adding, and concerning the Amp draw as well, I think it is wise to not let the watter flow straight between your electrodes, at least not at full throttle.

So your tube in a tube looks good, one side closed or restricted water flow. Creating a kind of funnel. ( I hope I make sense ;-)

Your real water flow going true the middle and/or the outside, keeping the space between electrodes "superheated" or around 100C

When I add cold water, I get the best results as I let it "lift"along the flow, adding it near or inside the core will shoot Amp draw up.

PS. I added a drawing of my design. Not showing the rubber spacers.
One spacer at the bottom (1cm) and 4 at the top of the inner tube to prevent shorting.

About "resonance" My device is pretty solid, but does vibrate in all. You can hear the vibrations at start-up quit good, maybe I try to film it.

[Cherryman]

Steam

Hi AM,

I uploaded a vid where you can see the steam better,
The temperature of the water in and above the apparatus is around 99 Celsius, I got 100c a few times , but that could also be my meter. Depending on the on time, the whole water at the bottom also gets around 97-98 degrees.
If you look carefully you can see in this vid I loose about a cm of water in those 100 seconds.
Water level at start was a little more then a cm above the cup, at the end it is at the same level.

Steam 01.mp4 - YouTube

My setup is the most simple one you can imagine.

A SS drinking cup, with inside half of a SS pepper cup.

The inside spacing is around 10 mm at the bottom and 9 mm at the sides.

Hooked up straight to the mains ( ~220V 50 Hz )

I'm not claiming anything, so far I have an efficient and fast heater.

[AhuraMazda]

Cherryman, thankyou for posting the videos. very interesting. There seems to be a lot of agitation in the water but not much heating am I right? The agitation stops as soon as you switch off the circuit. There is not much/any steam after. Did you do any temperature readings?

Also, the foaming to me seems to want to turn clock wise! Would you like to share your setup?

[Cherryman]

I uploaded a vid about the "acoustic" vibration:
In the beginning you can clearly hear it vibrate against the container. (Pump up the volume)
VibrateSeq1.mp4 - YouTube

I Also am uploading two vids of the "foam" effect I described earlier, although nobody reacted I uploaded two little vids about it anyway. In the vid above you can clearly see it "violently " boiling in the end, but not the foam effect.. In the two below you see the foam effect.
Not on vid, but the foam went over the top once as well.
(Properly just the normal boiling stages of water, but good to experience myself)
It only occures with water pre-boiled a few times. (Less oxygen??)

Foam boiling - YouTube

Foam boiling2.mp4 - YouTube

[daemonbart]

Generator!

Hi AM!

I will try to help you, I was lucky to have most of the parts allready

I will have to look into this better in a few days, I use mosfets, n and p channel. I found them from older inverter heatpumps.

But I can come back with more info

Kind rgds D

I have been having a lot of trouble with accessing energeticforum recently.

So, back to the topic, D, are you feeding the output of the signal generator in to an audio amplifier by any chance?

The reason for my questions is I am working on a variable frequency inverter for this project. My reason is that I will need high voltage, goo amount of power and controlable frequency.

Regards

M

[AhuraMazda]

Ahura
You were answered last page

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Hi,

I modified a signal generator.

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Chet

I have been having a lot of trouble with accessing energeticforum recently.

So, back to the topic, D, are you feeding the output of the signal generator in to an audio amplifier by any chance?

The reason for my questions is I am working on a variable frequency inverter for this project. My reason is that I will need high voltage, goo amount of power and controlable frequency.

Regards

M

[RAMSET]

D answered you

Ahura
You were answered last page

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Hi,

I modified a signal generator.

Br D
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Chet

[AhuraMazda]

Hi,

I run with true ac, perfect sinewave, no DC whatsoever. I can adjust my freq
Kind rgds D

So, do you have a variable frequency inverter or are you doing it with a car alternator+motor+variac?

Regards

M

[daemonbart]

Sinewave!

Hi,

I modified a signal generator.

Br D

So, do you have a variable frequency inverter or are you doing it with a car alternator+motor+variac?

Regards

M

[Cherryman]

@Prof,


Hi prof,

I did some testing on water adding, and concerning the Amp draw as well, I think it is wise to not let the watter flow straight between your electrodes, at least not at full throttle.

So your tube in a tube looks good, one side closed or restricted water flow. Creating a kind of funnel. ( I hope I make sense ;-)

Your real water flow going true the middle and/or the outside, keeping the space between electrodes "superheated" or around 100C

When I add cold water, I get the best results as I let it "lift"along the flow, adding it near or inside the core will shoot Amp draw up.

PS. I added a drawing of my design. Not showing the rubber spacers.
One spacer at the bottom (1cm) and 4 at the top of the inner tube to prevent shorting.

About "resonance" My device is pretty solid, but does vibrate in all. You can hear the vibrations at start-up quit good, maybe I try to film it.

[AhuraMazda]

Hi,

I run with true ac, perfect sinewave, no DC whatsoever. I can adjust my freq
Kind rgds D

So, do you have a variable frequency inverter or are you doing it with a car alternator+motor+variac?

Regards

M

[daemonbart]

AC!

Hi,

I run with true ac, perfect sinewave, no DC whatsoever. I can adjust my freq

And I finally know the smell from my setups! Hydrogen-peroxide

Kind rgds D

Looks like you are using imperfect sinewave daemonbart. Electrolysis ?