Peter Daysh Davey Water Heater Query

[PhysicsProf]

I should recall that it is fairly easy to double the mains frequency, from 50 to 100 Hz. For example with a full-bridge rectifier will give pulsating current flow in the same direction at 100 Hz.

Also, DC is more likely to give HHO than is AC in a system like this (IMO).


I have an idea for using a cylindrical steel pipe as the resonating electrode, allowing water to flow through and along the outside of the pipe while being heated. It seems to me that this would permit more water flow, more efficient heating.

To this end, I have cut steel pipe to various lengths and suspended each pipe in such a way that it "rings" freely at its natural resonant frequency (with harmonics) when struck. I was looking for a harmonic of 60 Hz, and found that one pipe rings at very close to 240 Hz. This pipe is 903 mm long and 46 mm OD. It rings with a clear tone. However, the water bath for this is going to be LARGE (at about 1 m long). I am still thinking about the shape of the other electrode -- perhaps a bare wire extending down the center of the pipe, or another parallel pipe surrounding the resonating electrode pipe. (Comments welcomed.)
Steve

[PhysicsProf]

One of the safety tests that I propose, Daemonbart, is to use a mass spectrometer to measure what is in the steam/emitted gases.

This test would be in addition to looking for possible gammas, X-rays and other emissions.

Running at 100 Hz implies that you can choose your frequency, rather than using the mains frequency. Awesome! some day, please tell us how you do this -- when you are ready.

[boguslaw]

Looks like you are using imperfect sinewave daemonbart. Electrolysis ?

[wrtner]

Hi!

With a new setup I use to generate steam, I can see steam have a colour of yellow and light brown. Also it smells a little chlorine.

What does this tell

If I put my steam beam in to propane flame, the flame change to 100% blue and gets alot hotter and longer

I have alot of heat also in water surrounding my steam generator

I am running device on ac, around 100 Hz.

I can not ignite the steam (or what it is) alone.

Does anyone have an idea ?

Kind rgds D

Try bubbling the steam through a column of cold water in order
to condense out steam and see if there is anything left.

If there is a gas left it may be VERY DANGEROUS INDEED. It could
be a stochiometric mix of hydrogen and oxygen, sometimes called
HHO or hydroxy gas by luminaries such as the legendary Bob Boyce,
formed by a electrolytic process.

If there is a residual gas, I am not sure what to do to test it safely.

You could put detergent in the water column and try getting the
residual gas to bubble out as small soap bubbles. Then, WEARING
EAR PLUGS AND EVEN HEADPHONES, chase after a SMALL bubble
with a lighted match and see if it burns with an explosive crack.

[daemonbart]

No breakdown!

Neutral, city water and nothing added!

I have no breakdown whatsoever!

The smell is not exactly chlorine but similar, acid in some way

My configuration gives steam a little pressure!

Also after switch off, water stays warm a very long time, 12 litres was still 30 deg C after 6 h in open bucket and air temp around was 5 deg C. At switch off water was 60 deg C. So 30 deg C in 6 h ?

During night I will compare with water heated in normal way, same litres and same temps, that will give some interesting result I think

Kind rgds D

D
One very important question

Can you see any obvious signs of deterioration any where in the vacinity of
the heater... any thing appear to be breaking down??
As I'm sure you are aware Chlorine gas does come into play with Certain techniques and certain Chemicals in Electrolysis .
But you have to have an electrolyte to bring this Chlorine from?
Brown color usually means Iron?? [strange to have it in the Air/Steam]

You are using City water?
Well water?
Any Additives ??

THX
Chet

[RAMSET]

D
One very important question

Can you see any obvious signs of deterioration any where in the vacinity of
the heater... any thing appear to be breaking down??
As I'm sure you are aware Chlorine gas does come into play with Certain techniques and certain Chemicals in Electrolysis .
But you have to have an electrolyte to bring this Chlorine from?
Brown color usually means Iron?? [strange to have it in the Air/Steam]

You are using City water?
Well water?
Any Additives ??

THX
Chet

[daemonbart]

Experimenting!

Hi!

With a new setup I use to generate steam, I can see steam have a colour of yellow and light brown. Also it smells a little chlorine.

What does this tell

If I put my steam beam in to propane flame, the flame change to 100% blue and gets alot hotter and longer

I have alot of heat also in water surrounding my steam generator

I am running device on ac, around 100 Hz.

I can not ignite the steam (or what it is) alone.

Does anyone have an idea ?

Kind rgds D

[PhysicsProf]

I have worked with electrode boilers in the past ( school, and hospitals etc). The boilers was for cooking food, nowdays they are heated with resistanse heating elements, less maintenance.

Electrode heaters are pure induction, no resonance, here we most of all wants to avoid induction.

Br D

Thank you for the clarification, daemonbart! very helpful.

[RAMSET]

I love shrimp

The Bubba Chet Shrimp boat Company!!

We have something going on with this device....
Of that there is no Doubt!!
I liken it to a well documented anomoly That I have loved ever since the first time St Buzz Shared it with me!

Pistol Shrimp sonic weapon - Weird Nature - BBC wildlife - YouTube

The pistol shrimp causing a sonoluminescent event, generating 9900C
With nothing more than the ingredients we have here
A well tuned Claw [Can] a small drive ring [his thumb ] and his tiny Muscle [the Big Mains]

The Can, The Drive ring and the mains .......instead of one SNAP
We are running a well tuned resonant Snap with no end ......
No end in production and no end in potential....

This is the real Deal fellahs [and Mrs. DB].

@S
Yes Sir we are surely getting the Floodgates to open here!!
Thanks
Chet

[Slovenia]

Hadn't Seen It

Hi Chet,

I hadn't seen that, but five of my contacts told me to check it out. It looks like the Don Smith device is finally a GO for everyone who understands electrical safety. This is a very dangerous device indeed and not to be fooled with by those who have no understanding of electricity!! Thanks for sharing!!

Best Regards,
Slovenia

Thank you Slovenia!!

Have you seen this??

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4864-donald-smith-devices-too-good-true-68.html#post173854

A must see!!

Chet

[daemonbart]

Electrode boilers!

I have worked with electrode boilers in the past ( school, and hospitals etc). The boilers was for cooking food, nowdays they are heated with resistanse heating elements, less maintenance.

Electrode heaters are pure induction, no resonance, here we most of all wants to avoid induction.

Br D

There are large operating commerical "electrode boilers" that use similar principles, at very nearly 100% efficiency:



C-B Package Boiler

And there are others -- google "electrode boilers."

Such a company might be interested in "super-efficient" mods to their product... hint to DaemonBart and Prof. Savic and others. And note that the engineering is already in place for these "electrode boilers".
(There is also a wikipedia entry: Electrode boiler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia )

At the same time, my main approach here is to make the new technology available to all mankind freely; I like open source. And I emphasize the needs of families in developing countries. I have sent emails to two humanitarian groups hoping that they will collaborate and help in all this... no word back yet, except from one that said they are considering it. (But it is the holidays.)

[Cherryman]

Electric Shower

I'm just curious, does someone have any experience with electric showers?

Isn't this along the same principle?

Water heating - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


As for the questions about my setup.

I use different setups, basically the same:

A SS beker or cup, with inside a smaller SS beker or cup, from thin SS steel.
It was the most practical thing at hand, and I took the electromagnet design of Edward Leedskalin as a basis.

Not tuned, just tested it directly on the mains 220V.

I tested different spacing, thickness.

I also tried to see if there was any difference between a "loose" setup (parts free to resonate, and a fixed setup, parts, solidly connected. So far no difference. But i have not come to the tuning part.

A third one consisted of adding a small SSdisc but tests did not show it very efficient.

First step now is to make a good test setup base, to do some good comparisment.

[RAMSET]

I feel you're intent?

Steve
But This is exactly how the trap is set...........

A possibility?? this might be different ??
We could just say its a slight improvement ?? more efficient than 100 %?

I could just go for a patent and then these guys will /might buy it!! ??

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Giving it away open source will achieve you're ultimate goal ! selling it to a big company? you will never clean one glass of drinking water in Haiti
Or any where else in the world!

Temptation ....It will always be there..

Chet

[PhysicsProf]

I see what you're saying, Chet. Mainly I was thinking out loud as I learned of the commercial "electrode boilers" out there already.
And I modified my post before I saw yours, with the following addition:

At the same time, my main approach here is to make the new technology available to all mankind freely; I like open source. And I emphasize the needs of families in developing countries. I have sent emails to two humanitarian groups hoping that they will collaborate and help in all this... no word back yet, except from one that said they are considering it. (But it is the holidays.)

[RAMSET]

Physics Professor

Thank you for the clarification !

Chet