Peter Daysh Davey Water Heater Query

[Slovenia]

Configuration of can and tuning setup.

[wrtner]

There is nothing at that link

They want you to put in your local postcode. Try nw2 1qq

[boguslaw]

Those in England who have a branch of Lidl reasonably nearby
and who are tuning bells, bowls or tubes to a frequency should
note this:

LIDL Great Britain - lidl.co.uk

They are on sale from February 6th to around 10th after which
they are gone. Sometimes limited stock.

Paul-R

There is nothing at that link

[wrtner]

Bench grinders

Those in England who have a branch of Lidl reasonably nearby
and who are tuning bells, bowls or tubes to a frequency should
note this:

LIDL Great Britain - lidl.co.uk

They are on sale from February 6th to around 10th after which
they are gone. Sometimes limited stock.

Paul-R

[weeb1e]

I found this quite a long time ago, but only rediscovered it again now. Perhaps this could be usefully implemented where there is existing mechanical power?

An over-unity mechanical sonic resonator: FUELLESS HEATER NO FUEL NO GAS NO WOOD NO GREEN HOUSE GASES - YouTube

[PhysicsProf]

From Prof. Savic (Mr. "C"):

Message from Mr. "C"
Yesterday I made a similar sonic boiler original of which has a COP = 1.4 but is easilymade from the original. This boiler is not better than the originals because it is not in itself another electrode at 50Hz, which is very hard to make would have to be from 0.1 mm thick titanium or a very hard steel.
Regards to all replicators of sonic boiler.

Thank you for this input and encouragement to replicators!!

You show CIRCLES in your diagrams. Are the SPHERES or cylinders? and -- what is the DIAMETER?

Thanks again.

[Slovenia]

Message from Mr. "C"

Yesterday I made a similar sonic boiler original of which has a COP = 1.4 but is easilymade from the original. This boiler is not better than the originals because it is not in itself another electrode at 50Hz, which is very hard to make would have to be from 0.1 mm thick titanium or a very hard steel.
Regards to all replicators of sonic boiler.

[PhysicsProf]

Where is everybody?

I took the attached photo today. It shows stainless steel vessels in various geometric shapes (including cylindrical and spherical) which I have begun using to test Davey sonic boiler concepts. Most of these shapes already have a small hole so that I can connect wires to the vessels as well as connecting them in various relationships. I have a number of nylon nuts and bolts and spacers for this purpose.

The parameter space is large! it will take me awhile, but I have begun the testing (see for instance, a test run earlier in this thread).

[PhysicsProf]

I have purchased a

"NORPRO 559 Immersion Heater for Warming Liquids"
$6.82
In Stock

See attached photo.

Very useful for comparisons with Davey-type heaters and very inexpensive! (It even ships to me for free using Amazon Prime.)

Other models are available for use with 220V and with 12V DC.

My idea is to use the heater as a control, to check the instruments and measurement methods.
For example, I will use a wattage meter to measure the input power and thermometers to measure the rise in temperature in the water to measure Q -- for both the control (using the immersion heater pictured) AND with the Davey-type device.

Note that the heat of vaporization due to steam production can also be determined if one is careful to "waft away" the produced steam with a small fan.

One measures the mass of the water before and after the "run" for a given W-h input, say 50 W-h; this gives the mass of the water lost due to vaporization IF one is careful not to allow water droplets to escape the vessel, just steam.

By inserting the immersion heater into the SAME container as the Davey heater, and inserting the SAME watts of power into each heater (one at a time), one can immediately compare the rise in temperature of the water (along with the mass lost due to vaporization) BETWEEN the TWO heaters, and straightforwardly determine which is more efficient. OU should be quickly demonstrable, if indeed the Davey heater is OU.

The heat lost due to electrolysis with the Davey heater should be small I think and will tend to LOWER the calculated efficiency (making the calculation conservative); and recombination of H and O will simply add this energy lost back into the system.

Note that the immersion heater should have a nominal efficiency of one (in a well-insulated water container).

I like easy-to-see tests of concept like this!

[PhysicsProf]

I asked before but the link was not good,

what does this thing do?:

Vermogensregelaar 110-240 V~, 4000 VA - Vermogensregelaar-bouwpakketten - Conrad Electronic

PDF: http://www.produktinfo.conrad.com/da...e_en_fr_nl.pdf

Is this suitable? The Price is!

I emailed this company, Conrad Electronic, and received a response --
the output frequency is fixed, at 50 Hz -- and delivery in the US is "not possible." Here's the email:

Dear Dr. Jones,

Thank you for your e-mail.

Please be advised; delivery in the US is not possible. Also will this item not be regulated in frequency (it will remain 50 Hz) but only in voltage in combination with current.

Met vriendelijke groet,

Hendri Lijster

Customer Contact Center
Conrad Electronic Benelux B.V.

[PhysicsProf]

Sobering words from Prof. Savic, and a reminder to all of us.

Sonic boiler didnt pass any safety checks and it is a type of device not recognized throughout the world, since it draws its energy from quantum field of vacuum ETRA which according to Einstein theory, officially does not exist.
According to "them", its a criminal act.
Any one of you can make sonic boiler for them selves or as a gift to relatives if they mastered the production process which is not easy.
I gave this to the world so anyone can make it for them selves and for that I bare no consequences.

Again, I wish to thank the good Professor for giving this "to the world so anyone can make it for themselves". It is a wonderful gift.

PS -- my offer to do "safety checks", testing for possible emissions (gammas, X-rays, u-wave, ultrasound, etc) still stands.
While I do not suppose that there are dangerous emissions (and shielding is an option if there are), still it might be expected that "they" would use the safety / endangerment argument against any such innovation. We have discussed ways to get the device out to benefit humanity, and this goal should be kept in mind. It is much more important than making huge amounts of money!!

[RAMSET]

Very nice

Slovenia
The intent is quite clear ,The professor speaks the truth!
Thank you professor Savic ,I hope your gift to us helps to make this world a much better place!
I absolutely, positively believe it will ,Very shortly !!

Thank you
Chet
PS
How is your Son Branislav doing?

[Slovenia]

Message from Mr. "C"

Translation by Prop S

Dear friends and sonic boiler replicators.

You cannot publicly sell sonic boilers and make money out of it.
You will get arrested by police under charges of device not being patented and safe for use.
Sonic boiler didnt pass any safety checks and it is a type of device not recognized throughout the world, since it draws its energy from quantum field of vacuum ETRA which according to Einstein theory, officially does not exist.
According to "them", its a criminal act.
Any one of you can make sonic boiler for them selves or as a gift to relatives if they mastered the production process which is not easy.
I gave this to the world so anyone can make it for them selves and for that I bare no consequences.
At the time I patent the quantum heater COP =32 (should Einstein`s mafia allow me to) I will be able to sell it and everyone who wants to make it and knows how to, can make one for them selves.
For USA patent organization, sonic boiler and entire Tesla`s resonance technology are Perpetuum mobile and forbiden for production and sales and never to be recognized or put in production as long as there is oil, gas and nuclear power plants and MONEY.
Nuclear lobby struggles so people spend a lot of electricity and to pay high price for it, not cheap.
Energy is free and there is plenty of it in vacuum you just need to catch it with resonance. That my teacher Nikola Tesla

Translation is word by word so I know there are some sentences that you cannot understand but that is not my fault, savic expressions are to blame since some of his thoughts are incomplete but I translated them in such manner without adding anything on my own.

[boguslaw]

I would suggest COMPLETE AND UTTER ISOLATION from the house system,
except, obviously, for the mains connections.

The problem is that the water will be at a voltage, and any water flow
from the system to the house may cause this voltage to flow through.

Possibly, heated water could flow into a tank. When the water flow is
stopped (or directed to a second tank), then there will be no voltage
on the water in this second tank. It will then be safe for this water to
be pumped on into the house's system.

The arrangements need to be "fail safe".

I would really like to know deamonbart solution. I know I can use Residual-current device - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Ground Fault Circuit Interrupter but that would be tricky because I expect anyway some leakage of current to ground :-(

Most of heating system is made using copper pipes, my container is made from stainless steel but that's anyway a situation when two current flowing electrodes would be in water and even using plastic container it helps only a little bit. Actually this is essence because IMHO this invention is usable only in closed loop water circulating device.

Here is the solution abs el 26.1mb.AVI''ABS GADGET''ELECTRIC SHOWER HEATER. - YouTube

[wrtner]

There is also safety issue : how to prevent any leakage of current to the piping system ? I know that pipes should be grounded but it still bother me.
I have European AC system 230V/50Hz with limit to 16A current

I would suggest COMPLETE AND UTTER ISOLATION from the house system,
except, obviously, for the mains connections.

The problem is that the water will be at a voltage, and any water flow
from the system to the house may cause this voltage to flow through.

Possibly, heated water could flow into a tank. When the water flow is
stopped (or directed to a second tank), then there will be no voltage
on the water in this second tank. It will then be safe for this water to
be pumped on into the house's system.

The arrangements need to be "fail safe".