Muller generator replication by Romerouk

[Shadesz]

This my brand new 24 pole rotor 110 mm in diameter with four 5x10x2mm Neos stacked at one pole. The poles are facing outwards.
I used billboard type of sheets (2x3mm) to make it. It is pretty strong an easy to cut.
A small outrunner motor is driving it pretty well. Arduino uC is just for controlling the ECS. I get 1300 Hz at generator coil which is around 6500 RPM.
I don't want to test higher speeds at this stage. It is pretty stable although I 'carved' the holes with just a knife using a printed template.
There are several layers of tape around the edge to make it stronger. There are going to be 20 generator coils around. I can't wait to make
a complete setup for the tests to begin...

I like it alot! Very good design for testing stages! Let us know how it holds up.

[Dave45]

how do you suggest we apply that? Also, I am not sure I understand Dave's proposals yet.

Shadez my proposals use bucking coils as in the Muller setup and the Don Smith device maybe thats what is throwing you off.
Take care
Dave

[Shadesz]

Hi Guys,

Qvision, Shadesz, thanks for the nice feedback.

Shadesz, yes i said i tried it on severall coils, bi-filar and uni-filar, but also tri-filar.

For the uni-filar i had to "couple in" the HF by coupling the coil with another coil,
but it gave similar effects (capacitive on lower frequency and inductive on higher frequencies, which is logical).

So what hoptoads is saying about the Adams motor upper part of page 11 here:
http://www.totallyamped.net/adams/#top that: "capacitive reactance (Xc) is usually negligable" is not quite thru, at least not in my coils.

happy building, regards Itsu

Sorry, but what do you mean by the bold text above?

Also, relating to an inducting phase shifter in series with your pickup coil, I learned something yesterday...

You can't use it like a transformer, it has to be a strictly a single wire inductor in series. SO much for using it to transfer the load. Bu that's ok.

See the sim circuit I made to show what I mean.

Also, you will not get the correct current lag effect if your pickup coil output is not a smooth sine wave. It would be like trying to swing on a swing wile having to stop between each cycle. Your inductor will have time to catch up between every cycle, hence no real delay. In other words, if your magnets are too far apart, you wont be able to see any phase shift.

Just theory still

[Shadesz]

read this and think on it..... (see Dave's Proposals )



Constructal theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

how do you suggest we apply that? Also, I am not sure I understand Dave's proposals yet.

[Itsu]

Severall coils tested

Hi Guys,

Qvision, Shadesz, thanks for the nice feedback.

Shadesz, yes i said i tried it on severall coils, bi-filar and uni-filar, but also tri-filar.

For the uni-filar i had to "couple in" the HF by coupling the coil with another coil,
but it gave similar effects (capacitive on lower frequency and inductive on higher frequencies, which is logical).

So what hoptoads is saying about the Adams motor upper part of page 11 here:
http://www.totallyamped.net/adams/#top that: "capacitive reactance (Xc) is usually negligable" is not quite thru, at least not in my coils.

happy building, regards Itsu

[toranarod]

This my brand new 24 pole rotor 110 mm in diameter with four 5x10x2mm Neos stacked at one pole. The poles are facing outwards.
I used billboard type of sheets (2x3mm) to make it. It is pretty strong an easy to cut.
A small outrunner motor is driving it pretty well. Arduino uC is just for controlling the ECS. I get 1300 Hz at generator coil which is around 6500 RPM.
I don't want to test higher speeds at this stage. It is pretty stable although I 'carved' the holes with just a knife using a printed template.
There are several layers of tape around the edge to make it stronger. There are going to be 20 generator coils around. I can't wait to make
a complete setup for the tests to begin...

nice motor

good luck

[elias]

Hi Tan,

Coil properties :

L : 250 mH
R : 120 Ohms

Magnet properties :

N42, 6100 Gauss

Yes 18,000 RPM, measured by the soundcard scope plus my tacho plus the frequency function on my meter.

Hi qvision,

I posted the photos of several coils two or three pages ago.
Well, your coils have pretty low L/R ratio, my coils specs were like this:

Coil #1: 12.8mH 1.3ohms L/R=9.84
Coil #2: 27.6mH 1.5ohms L/R=18.4
Coil #3: 29.2mH 2.7ohms L/R=10.81
Coil #4: 1.2mH <0.1ohms L/R= 12
Coil #5: 2.43mH 0.2ohms L/R= 12.15

As you can see from the values above the best result was obtained by coil #2. I didn't have a henry-meter back then, I bought it today so that I can post my coil specs. I am onto building coils like Tesla suggested, long coils with 1mm wire on my 10mm ferrite cores.

Elias

[kEhYo77]

This my brand new 24 pole rotor 110 mm in diameter with four 5x10x2mm Neos stacked at one pole. The poles are facing outwards.
I used billboard type of sheets (2x3mm) to make it. It is pretty strong an easy to cut.
A small outrunner motor is driving it pretty well. Arduino uC is just for controlling the ECS. I get 1300 Hz at generator coil which is around 6500 RPM.
I don't want to test higher speeds at this stage. It is pretty stable although I 'carved' the holes with just a knife using a printed template.
There are several layers of tape around the edge to make it stronger. There are going to be 20 generator coils around. I can't wait to make
a complete setup for the tests to begin...

[Shadesz]

Hey I feel like I am on the verge of explaining the voltage drop on a drive coil do to closing a pickup coils circuit. And it has nothing to do with free energy.

I'm learning a TON by building this presentation. The list of stuff I want it to contain/explain keeps growing to. lol. Maybe I will have to post it in two parts. I have some school work to focus on today but will try to make time for it.

[qvision]

Forgot to say my thread with all the data is here :

Acceleration under load experiments ...

[qvision]

Hi Tan,

Coil properties :

L : 250 mH
R : 120 Ohms

Magnet properties :

N42, 6100 Gauss

Yes 18,000 RPM, measured by the soundcard scope plus my tacho plus the frequency function on my meter.

[TanTric]

...

hi brother, i see you are using just one iron bolt as core,

can you share the total resistance of your coil and if possible the inductance?

also the strenght of the magnet?

i dont know if you shared this info so, sory if it is the case, im at my work and this pc have no speakers!

good job thank you

edit: you have 1 cycle per revolution, and arround 300Hz for simplicity so, cycles/second (Hz) divided by 1 cycles per rev = Revs per Second. 300 x 60 = 18.000 rpm is that right?

does the effect only show up when the coil is that far away from the magnet? peace

I've upped a video of acceleration-under-load rather than just short-circuit.

The rotor speed rises by only a few Hz, and the milliamps only go down by a few but the effect is there and will be amplified with higher impedance coils.

Acceleration under load - replicating the Heins Effect ... - YouTube

[qvision]

I've upped a video of acceleration-under-load rather than just short-circuit.

The rotor speed rises by only a few Hz, and the milliamps only go down by a few but the effect is there and will be amplified with higher impedance coils.

Acceleration under load - replicating the Heins Effect ... - YouTube

[Shadesz]

Something else to consider is how you guys are finding your coils inductance. If it has a core, your online calculators usually wont give you an accurate calculation. Most of those assume an air core. Here is a quick link that will explain the best way to do it if you have a core, although I haven't taken time to verify the formula...

Is there a such thing as a 20 milli Henry inductor and if so where can I buy or how can I make one? - Yahoo! Answers

This may help us get more accurate (and understandable) results.

[Shadesz]

Itzu,

Thank you for that information. Well done. On the video towards the end you say that you have tested it on various coils. I can't make out the words exactly. Did you say you tried it on both bifilar and tri-filar coils in circuit?

Thanks in advance.