Muller generator replication by Romerouk

[Dave45]

I modified the pic, but you guy's know more about electronics than me

[MonsieurM]

read this and think on it..... (see Dave's Proposals )

the constructal law says

The constructal law puts forth the idea that the generation of design (configuration, pattern, geometry) in nature is a physics phenomenon that unites all animate and inanimate systems, and that this phenomenon is covered by the Constructal Law stated by Adrian Bejan in 1996: "For a finite-size (flow) system to persist in time (to live), its configuration must evolve such that it provides easier access to the imposed currents that flow through it."

Constructal theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[qvision]

@ Itsu !!

Sorry, i totally missed your post until just now. Excellent, really excellent. I learnt a few things from reading it and the links you provided.

So that fits with the RPM maths being far in excess of what people have seen on the bench, so perhaps Thane's theory is correct (i believe it) that the coil begins to act like a capacitor and simply doesn't have the current to produce the magnetic field that drags the rotor ?

Fantastic post Itsu - EVERYONE SHOULD READ IT !!!

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7982-muller-generator-replication-romerouk-66.html#post159620

[Dave45]

Still working... explaining this is harder then I thought it was going to be. Ironically, and somewhat hopefully, you guys will think "duh that's not that complicated" when you read it.

I was thinking though, about the new video, and others... maybe that isn't a good way to release an OU device.

What I mean is, perhaps the best way to release an open source free energy device to the world, is to let the world actually watch you discover it.

That way, they can see the work, even participate. They can see the hang ups, the solutions, and the breakthroughs you had as you have them. Then, when you finally get there and get that working unit, they will be more accepting and understanding, less demanding.

They experienced it with you! And in that way, are themselves part of the world changing event, and then become proponents and help spread it rather than doubtful critics.

Most of your initial shock and awe will be diverted too, as most people will know what you have been doing, and already know most of what they need to do it themselves. Plus the huge databank of what they need to do will already be published and they can get started right away. Of course you would be good to clean it up and clearly group the important information, but as you do this, you will not have the full blunt of pressures associated with such a discovery.

Anyways, like I said...
Perhaps the best way to release an open source free energy device to the world, is to let the world actually watch you discover it.

That is exactly what you are doing here in this thread guys. We will get there. Thank you for being a good enough team to convert me from a free energy critic into a participant. Lets keep going! You guys are great.



YAY! I figured it out! I finally got past the road block I have been on all day. Another couple hours and I can post this, get it out of my head, and move on to the good stuff!

My thoughts exactly, the best post Iv read all day

[Shadesz]

Itzu,

Thank you for that information. Well done. On the video towards the end you say that you have tested it on various coils. I can't make out the words exactly. Did you say you tried it on both bifilar and tri-filar coils in circuit?

Thanks in advance.

[Shadesz]

Something else to consider is how you guys are finding your coils inductance. If it has a core, your online calculators usually wont give you an accurate calculation. Most of those assume an air core. Here is a quick link that will explain the best way to do it if you have a core, although I haven't taken time to verify the formula...

Is there a such thing as a 20 milli Henry inductor and if so where can I buy or how can I make one? - Yahoo! Answers

This may help us get more accurate (and understandable) results.

[qvision]

I've upped a video of acceleration-under-load rather than just short-circuit.

The rotor speed rises by only a few Hz, and the milliamps only go down by a few but the effect is there and will be amplified with higher impedance coils.

Acceleration under load - replicating the Heins Effect ... - YouTube

[TanTric]

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hi brother, i see you are using just one iron bolt as core,

can you share the total resistance of your coil and if possible the inductance?

also the strenght of the magnet?

i dont know if you shared this info so, sory if it is the case, im at my work and this pc have no speakers!

good job thank you

edit: you have 1 cycle per revolution, and arround 300Hz for simplicity so, cycles/second (Hz) divided by 1 cycles per rev = Revs per Second. 300 x 60 = 18.000 rpm is that right?

does the effect only show up when the coil is that far away from the magnet? peace

I've upped a video of acceleration-under-load rather than just short-circuit.

The rotor speed rises by only a few Hz, and the milliamps only go down by a few but the effect is there and will be amplified with higher impedance coils.

Acceleration under load - replicating the Heins Effect ... - YouTube

[qvision]

Hi Tan,

Coil properties :

L : 250 mH
R : 120 Ohms

Magnet properties :

N42, 6100 Gauss

Yes 18,000 RPM, measured by the soundcard scope plus my tacho plus the frequency function on my meter.

[qvision]

Forgot to say my thread with all the data is here :

Acceleration under load experiments ...

[Shadesz]

Hey I feel like I am on the verge of explaining the voltage drop on a drive coil do to closing a pickup coils circuit. And it has nothing to do with free energy.

I'm learning a TON by building this presentation. The list of stuff I want it to contain/explain keeps growing to. lol. Maybe I will have to post it in two parts. I have some school work to focus on today but will try to make time for it.

[kEhYo77]

This my brand new 24 pole rotor 110 mm in diameter with four 5x10x2mm Neos stacked at one pole. The poles are facing outwards.
I used billboard type of sheets (2x3mm) to make it. It is pretty strong an easy to cut.
A small outrunner motor is driving it pretty well. Arduino uC is just for controlling the ECS. I get 1300 Hz at generator coil which is around 6500 RPM.
I don't want to test higher speeds at this stage. It is pretty stable although I 'carved' the holes with just a knife using a printed template.
There are several layers of tape around the edge to make it stronger. There are going to be 20 generator coils around. I can't wait to make
a complete setup for the tests to begin...

[elias]

Hi Tan,

Coil properties :

L : 250 mH
R : 120 Ohms

Magnet properties :

N42, 6100 Gauss

Yes 18,000 RPM, measured by the soundcard scope plus my tacho plus the frequency function on my meter.

Hi qvision,

I posted the photos of several coils two or three pages ago.
Well, your coils have pretty low L/R ratio, my coils specs were like this:

Coil #1: 12.8mH 1.3ohms L/R=9.84
Coil #2: 27.6mH 1.5ohms L/R=18.4
Coil #3: 29.2mH 2.7ohms L/R=10.81
Coil #4: 1.2mH <0.1ohms L/R= 12
Coil #5: 2.43mH 0.2ohms L/R= 12.15

As you can see from the values above the best result was obtained by coil #2. I didn't have a henry-meter back then, I bought it today so that I can post my coil specs. I am onto building coils like Tesla suggested, long coils with 1mm wire on my 10mm ferrite cores.

Elias

[toranarod]

This my brand new 24 pole rotor 110 mm in diameter with four 5x10x2mm Neos stacked at one pole. The poles are facing outwards.
I used billboard type of sheets (2x3mm) to make it. It is pretty strong an easy to cut.
A small outrunner motor is driving it pretty well. Arduino uC is just for controlling the ECS. I get 1300 Hz at generator coil which is around 6500 RPM.
I don't want to test higher speeds at this stage. It is pretty stable although I 'carved' the holes with just a knife using a printed template.
There are several layers of tape around the edge to make it stronger. There are going to be 20 generator coils around. I can't wait to make
a complete setup for the tests to begin...

nice motor

good luck

[Itsu]

Severall coils tested

Hi Guys,

Qvision, Shadesz, thanks for the nice feedback.

Shadesz, yes i said i tried it on severall coils, bi-filar and uni-filar, but also tri-filar.

For the uni-filar i had to "couple in" the HF by coupling the coil with another coil,
but it gave similar effects (capacitive on lower frequency and inductive on higher frequencies, which is logical).

So what hoptoads is saying about the Adams motor upper part of page 11 here:
http://www.totallyamped.net/adams/#top that: "capacitive reactance (Xc) is usually negligable" is not quite thru, at least not in my coils.

happy building, regards Itsu