Muller generator replication by Romerouk

[elias]

Hello Jolt, Lidmotor.

Thanks for the support. this is hard work and there is very little reward.

over at free energy there is another video by keykhin.

YouTube - ‪Regenerative acceleration under load‬‏

similar work.

I have the same concerns with my motor the noise keeps my wife awake.
so i try to do most of my work when the is only me at home.
great build Lidmotor

good luck

Hi Rod

Hope i could rebuild my unit to demonstrate newer principles in the coming days, but I am sure that you will make it, it can be done and will be done.

Please do this experiment:
First Run your motor at about less than 1000 RPM or even much less.
Measure the RPM drop when connecting one of your generator coils to a lamp.
Measure the RPM drop when shorting one of your generator coils.
Shorting should cause much more drag in the system, because of the higher current drawn.

Secondly, Run your motor higher than about 3000 RPM, or even more.
Measure the RPM drop when connecting one of your generator coils to a lamp.
Measure the RPM drop when shorting one of your generator coils.

In this case you should notice that loading it with a lamp will drag more than shorting it. This is what defies the Lenz Law, and this is the effect that will bring free energy.

If your don't get the results that should be, try experimenting with different RPMs.

This effect is what I have noticed by using ferrite cores, but if you use Iron cores, you will see that if your short the coils acceleration happens in higher speeds. Iron imposes large eddy currents that drag the rotor significantly, so I discourage people from using it.

Edit: I have said this many times, and will say it again, my theory is that the time constant L/R is more when shorting the coils (because of smaller R), and when the speed goes up, the delay becomes significant, and causes less drag (Lenz is left behind). Why Iron Cores make this effect turn to acceleration I don't know but it might be because of lessening the eddy effect as many have proposed. If my theory is correct you can even neutralize the drag after a certain speed. Speeds as of 3000-4000 RPM is enough if you want to extract the energy when the magnet approaches the coil, because the attraction to the core also helps this, and repulsion is a lower force than attraction. Odd even design also aids to this effect, charging capacitors, also is a better idea, rather than loading it directly.

Good Luck.

I am designing new stators, to demonstrate this, I want you guys to build it!
I don't want to be like some who only talk and do nothing.

Elias

[Slider2732]

Thanks very much for the info
Thoughts are of a solar powered pulse motor, with experiments showing the ability to run a JT from the lamp on my desk here. Getting a Muller type to accept stray energies from wherever and never needing a conventional power source, even if it won't run totally on its own. Also the possibility of a voltage doubler for the small needs and using a TV remotes I/R LED to power..similar to one of your recent vids.
All the tricks we're learning about are useful all over the place !

[Lidmotor]

Lidmotor, you have some killer Hertz and killer Lenz going on there
Also liked the Mohican hair style no load waveform.

If I may ask a JT related question. I tried a replication (twice) with JT circuits and the rotor wouldn't run. They were on a standard pulse motor type circuit, rather than 1 up 1 down coils. The LED's of the JT's would flash as a magnet approached and yet there was no coil effect on the magnets. Tuned around with variable pots, I could get a lower and audible singing out of the coils, but no rotor movement. Coils were 800 winds bifilar with center taps, on ferrite cores.
Do the coils have to be Muller orientated ?

There was really only one reason that I am using a JT circuit here----it works on low voltage. If I could run this with a Hall at .5 volts I would do it that way. I need to keep my "testing unit" at low speed and quiet and that is kinda why I am doing it this way. A bunch of us found out that you could take a Joule Thief circuit and use it to run a small pulse motor some time ago. It is not a great way to do it but it works. Basically the base pot resistance is the secret. You have to get the JT frequency to sync with the triggering of the magnet and coil arrangement. It is two frequencies working together. I have used this JT method on a number of different pulse motor arrangements. It doesn't have to be a Muller arrangement. I like the fact that the circuit runs and lights an LED whether or not the rotor is spinning.
If you are having trouble try switching the four coil wires around. I use a small AM radio to hear when the firing is happening.
If you are using 3 volts and up just use the Hall sensor or a Bedini SSG circuit.

Cheers,

Lidmotor

[hadcat]

Here is another Mile Marker video from one of the members of the OU forum...Looking good.

YouTube - ‪plengo's Channel‬‏

[blackchisel97]

I'm still trying to get something done despite having wrong magnets, wrong wire and not perfect rotor. I got mine spinning last night at 750rpm with two coils in series. I wound couple gen coils with only wire I have atm - #26 @ 1000T each. I tried one set without the cores in them and I was getting 2.3V AC measured directly across. Couple LED connected to it make no difference to the speed or input which is at 200mA with one set of my coils. They're twisted 3 strands of #28, about 230 turns (full spool). I have to make better rotor but will wait for proper magnets first (in the mail). I could not work continuously due to some other chores but I left it running overnight to test my family. No negative feedback
I admire your work guys

V

[minoly]

found this to be one of Romero's most interesting posts of late


"Regarding shorting the coil:
why not to keep the coil shorted all the time and release it only at the right moment."
Romero's experiments and OU principles

so I've been focusing on brief shorting rather than brief-ish opening.

spent all weekend getting lost in JB's window motor testing out some other things in combination w/ some of Romero's and Bolts most recent posts, have not had a chance to test out the above. will do so soon, I think I have some halls that stay on untill you pass a magnet by them, that should do the trick yes...

Patrick

[Slider2732]

Lidmotor, you have some killer Hertz and killer Lenz going on there
Also liked the Mohican hair style no load waveform.

If I may ask a JT related question. I tried a replication (twice) with JT circuits and the rotor wouldn't run. They were on a standard pulse motor type circuit, rather than 1 up 1 down coils. The LED's of the JT's would flash as a magnet approached and yet there was no coil effect on the magnets. Tuned around with variable pots, I could get a lower and audible singing out of the coils, but no rotor movement. Coils were 800 winds bifilar with center taps, on ferrite cores.
Do the coils have to be Muller orientated ?

[toranarod]

we work on

Hello Jolt, Lidmotor.

Thanks for the support. this is hard work and there is very little reward.

over at free energy there is another video by keykhin.

YouTube - ‪Regenerative acceleration under load‬‏

similar work.

I have the same concerns with my motor the noise keeps my wife awake.
so i try to do most of my work when the is only me at home.
great build Lidmotor

good luck

[Lidmotor]

Confusing the Lenz beast

@ Toranarod
Thanks Rod for the last two videos and the persistance to stick with the project. I think that other people are starting to lose interest because of frustration. We can still learn allot from this device one way or the other.
I finally got around to adding the ferrite cores to my little unit yesterday. I have been holding off because of the noise factor. My wife just can't take that and I don't blame her. I only put the cores on half my coils to see what would happen. I should have done this weeks ago because I found out that with proper spacing between the rotor magents and the stator coils, you can eliminate most of the noise. I'll have to see what happens when I get all the ferrites installed. My current setup is using five magents and four coil pairs and that might be a factor.
I put the thing on the scope today to look at the generator coils output wave form with the ferrites installed. It is a strange wave form because of the way the I have the circuit arranged. It is a Joule Thief driver circuit and I came back into the main circuit from the generator output at the bridge. I think that it really confused the "Lenz Beast".

YouTube - ‪JT Muller Dynamo scope shots.ASF‬‏

Lidmotor

[Joit]

Toranarod, dont worry about Guys like this Khabe.
He has nothing to say, just messing around like he do at OU com.

He even show that hes German, and there are the worst of this Guys, over there is no further Developement and no Discussions alive about such Devices, because of theyr own Idiocy and a lot of Armchair Scientist without any Success with such Devices.

Feel yourself reported Khabe.

[Slider2732]

I'm not familiar with the 'Special Coil', but if he's using Zener's then it could be wholly different. The breakdown voltages might well feature as to the performance of the coil under operating conditions.

@toranarod
An intriguing circuit and informative video. The double output trigger design and P+N coil supply both help to understand principles and I have a question or two.
Does the circuit feature phase delay within the way R12 and R14 interact with the P-channel MOSFET, also by going through the other transistor for propagation delay ? Do the phase characteristics further limit Lenz linear build up, because of the coils being mounted one on top of the other ?

[toranarod]

recovery diodes

I have just posted a second Video on acceleration under load.
I think this is the direction we are going for now just trying to enhance the effect.

I will need to support this with a circuit diagram to help explain what I have been researching.

YouTube - ‪RomeroUK Muller Replication accelerating under load.Video 2‬‏

[Steve220]

Good information must read

No BEMF Motor

By the way, good work guys!

BW

This is from 2008, but might be able to help explain how the R UK device operates.

Thanks blochwall for finding this important information.
Steve

[synchro]

Magnet output increase.

Quick update.

Video: YouTube - ‪RomeroUK Muller generator replication part 2‬‏

What do you make of that effect? Isn't that really amazing! That's what I've been so excited about.

Thanks,

Synchro

[blochwall]

This might be relevant

No BEMF Motor

By the way, good work guys!

BW