Muller generator replication by Romerouk

[gyula]

Hi Rod,

Perhaps voltage ratings of the Schottky diodes you use in the diode bridge cannot handle the 250V emf spikes? Unfortunately, there are no really high voltage Schottky diodes available, the fast and ultra fast switching diodes go up in the several hundred voltages but then they are of Si material.

If you wish to get rid of the diode bridge so that a dead short should mean near zero voltage across the gen coil instead of 1.8V (or twice the forward voltage drop of a bridge diode), then a MOSFET AC switch is to be considered. Such switch consists of to N-channel power MOSFETs connected in series: their source electrodes are joined and their gate electrodes are joined and the two open drains go directly to the gen coil ends to make a short whenever the common gate and source electrodes are triggered by a fast MOSFET driver. The two series MOSFETs already can have high enough voltage rating to handle even 500-700V spikes too.
Sorry if you know already this kind of AC switching, perhaps this helps others here too.

Gyula

[elias]

Thanks for sharing that!

May you say at what speed you see the effect? I have not seen acceleration after bridge rectifiers?

That is amazing, it seems like your system was caught up in a type of positive feedback mechanism!!

[toranarod]

this is a very important post

Hello to all. Elias, Slider.

I am sharing this with you who have been posting relentless here on the energetic forum and supporting this work I think this will help all of you.

I am very excited about some research I did today I saw my Muller almost accelerate its self of the Bench. until it burnt out the bridge rectifier.
I have never had a generator coil over heat before and burn out the rectifier diodes.

I only had 1 schottky diode bridge rectifier. It did not work with the standard type.

We are very close. to something amazing.

As you know from my previous Post I have been experimenting with coil shorting.
I have been getting better at it. Starting to understand how and why it does what it does.

I have a lot of information I want to share.

please see the two photos I have posted.






schottky diode bridge. very important in this test.

[Slider2732]

You guys might like this
I think it was wattsup, who mentioned about trialing a smaller motor for speed ups etc. Well, i've had great success with oddball coil shorting and whatnot and have returned to experiments, after making some batteries.
This time, it's about 8 magnets, alternating faces on a perhaps familiar assembly of my cassette box rotor.
2x 7 strand multi-strand coils were used in series and provided one heck of a speed from the 3.3V wall adapter (there's a vid on my YouTube channel),
A 3rd multi-strand coil was added in series today and now the thing is very very quick indeed.

The vid below shows the tests, with an apparent speed up (or is it negating the 1ohm resistor ?)...but the fun part is toward the end.
Deciding to do some shorting, by using a 6V bulb, the motor turned into a Formula 1 car

3 x series coils for F1 pulse motor ! - YouTube

Bit of fun

[elias]

I just wanted to show you guys my build so that you guys can see what this forum has inspired me to do for the last 3 months. Its a 9" rotor with 8 magnets 1" x3/4". Its the typical Romero setup. I experiment quite often and have been a few different setups and the devil finds me in everyone. I really think between coil shorting and other timed/pulsed events that lenz can be overcome. I dont have a great deal of experience with electronic circuits but I am learning fast thanks to you guys.

You work is such an inspiration too.

[elias]

Thanks Rod for mentioning this! I was figuring out why I couldn't get your results, built about 4 different coils, but no avail.

I suspect that the propulsive force from the Lenz delay is mostly outward, so that it shows up on your Adams/Bedini Style rotor much easily. Also note that magnetic field is much stronger perpendicularly than horizontally.

Will try a Bedini style setup this week!

[toranarod]

@Rod

As I recall you were able to achieve acceleration even when your coils were under load at about 1.7 watts. Am I correct? This is huge. I prefer this type over coil shorting method, as it requires more components and more components means less reliability and less MTBF. My dream is to prepare a simple step by step plan for everyone with simple material, so that everyone can build one for their home.

Elias

you are right. Just one interesting point the Muller configuration works very differently to the standard Bedini rotor setup. Even if the magnets and coils are the same it behave completely different. At the moment I cannot account for this.



Bedini rotor setup



Muller configuration

[toranarod]

I just wanted to show you guys my build so that you guys can see what this forum has inspired me to do for the last 3 months. Its a 9" rotor with 8 magnets 1" x3/4". Its the typical Romero setup. I experiment quite often and have been a few different setups and the devil finds me in everyone. I really think between coil shorting and other timed/pulsed events that lenz can be overcome. I dont have a great deal of experience with electronic circuits but I am learning fast thanks to you guys.

WOW what a build
sorry about your car in the back ground didn't want you to strip it for parts for the Muller motor. I think the monster Taco looks better on the Muller.

[toranarod]

Hey guys, this will be my first post, although I have been monitoring it from the beginning. I have also spent countless hours researching on the internet and by my own experimentation. My machine is a Romero replication and just like all of you Lenz's law is the devil that haunts me.
After alot of internet research I am now seeing that Romero's replication shares a few like qualities of the Muller Motor but , its really not like it at all.
The only major similarity is the odd/even coil and magnet configuration and even that is not the same, the Muller motor uses one more magnet than the number of coils, 16 magnets and 15 coils. The orientation of the magnets is also different, the Muller motor is NSNSNSNS, it only fires on every second magnet.
The coils are completely different also, as you all know. The wire is way bigger and way less of it, the core is of great magnitude and the way its wound is a major key in defeating the lenz effect.
continue...

You make a good point?
I have often wondered why it is called a Muller replica at all. it was really a Romero motor. we are stuck with it now

[kajunkreations]

My build

I just wanted to show you guys my build so that you guys can see what this forum has inspired me to do for the last 3 months. Its a 9" rotor with 8 magnets 1" x3/4". Its the typical Romero setup. I experiment quite often and have been a few different setups and the devil finds me in everyone. I really think between coil shorting and other timed/pulsed events that lenz can be overcome. I dont have a great deal of experience with electronic circuits but I am learning fast thanks to you guys.

[elias]

@Rod

As I recall you were able to achieve acceleration even when your coils were under load at about 1.7 watts. Am I correct? This is huge. I prefer this type over coil shorting method, as it requires more components and more components means less reliability and less MTBF. My dream is to prepare a simple step by step plan for everyone with simple material, so that everyone can build one for their home.

Elias

[kajunkreations]

muller motor

The drive system is very complicated, they are processing the signals. The transistor are hexfets that can handle large amounts of currents. Ive read that there are 5 coils sets used to drive it and 10 sets for generation ,and I've read that all the coils are used for drive and generation. In one video it is stated that there are as many as 240 pulses/ switches in one revolution.
Now with all that being said, I think I will be moving more in the direction of the real Muller design.

[kajunkreations]

muller motor

Hey guys, this will be my first post, although I have been monitoring it from the beginning. I have also spent countless hours researching on the internet and by my own experimentation. My machine is a Romero replication and just like all of you Lenz's law is the devil that haunts me.
After alot of internet research I am now seeing that Romero's replication shares a few like qualities of the Muller Motor but , its really not like it at all.
The only major similarity is the odd/even coil and magnet configuration and even that is not the same, the Muller motor uses one more magnet than the number of coils, 16 magnets and 15 coils. The orientation of the magnets is also different, the Muller motor is NSNSNSNS, it only fires on every second magnet.
The coils are completely different also, as you all know. The wire is way bigger and way less of it, the core is of great magnitude and the way its wound is a major key in defeating the lenz effect.
continue...

[stevie1001]

Have we just done the same experiment?
What is your coil Core?
I tried this with 3 different types of cores and 4 different types of coils

We are both in the mullermotor experiments...
However, you are working on the generator coils and i am still fighting with my drivercoils......
I am on ferryte rods for the moment.

[gyula]

If the only way to get acceleration under load is to short the coils completely then how do we get a voltage potential from the system and not incur Lenz drag?
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Hi Rod,

I would suggest using a current transformer: take a toroidal core (OD=1-2cm, with some hundred permeability, could be a normal ferrite toroid) and hook through one turn in it from a 10-15cm long piece of insulated wire, wire OD=0.5-0.8mm, this would be the short connected directly to your gen coil outputs. And wind 5 to 15 turns of insulated wire onto this same toroid core, wire OD could be the same), this would be your power output, terminate this output with either a resistor of 10-20 Ohm or an incandescent bulb of some watts rated at 6V or so or with a full wave bridge and a puffer capacitor plus a resistive load.

Alternatively, if you happen to have a 30-40W AC mains transformer with a low voltage secondary like 1 - 3V output, (such low voltage secondaries have low enough AC impedance to behave like a short) then you could use this secondary for the short and load this AC transformer original primary coil with a resistive load, this would be the output.

The combination of the gen coil shorting and the current transformer may also be practical: hook the current transformer's one turn input in series with your switching MOSFET's drain so that the diode bridge gets shorted via the series combination of the the 1 turn coil and the MOSFET.

All the time utilizing the effect of no Lenz drag. If we do this for all 18 coils it would be a large amount of energy, greater than input required driving it.

I wonder, how many gen coils have you already positioned to see that they cause no Lenz drag. Also, you may have figured that 18 gen coil outputs are needed to break even in your particular setup?

Thanks for the results.

Gyula