Muller generator replication by Romerouk

[Shadesz]

I have tested this, the best position is the flat position, if you rotate it 90 degrees you will notice that it will start to drag.

Hey Elias,

Question. By flat do you mean that the laminations lay in parallel with the direction of the magnet? In other words, does flat mean that each layer of the laminated core has the magnet pass by it at the same time (all at the same time)?

[minoly]

That is impressive , may you post the exact specifications for the coils you have used? Wire size, turns, core? and also the type of the bearings you have used. 7K RPM for only 3 watts of input sounds something really exciting! 20 K RPM is mind blowing, are you alive?

Thanks

It's all about the coil, transistor, and timing for the speed and low amp draw.
these are 9 filer (1 wire is not being used)
they are 50 feet each 31 awg. all 9 are twisted, I do not think that matters.
the transistors are mje13009g, EB diode 1n914 switching diode, everything else is vanilla SSG spec. Oh triggered with a hall.
It's Rick's original 3PM kit.
you have to be real carefull with 12 volts and short power coils. I melted two of the coils on the first run because I had too little resistance on the base. that was a fun exciting 1 minute run. I had to wind two new ones. everything runs cold to the touch now.

Patrick

[stevie1001]

Thanks Matthew and BnB,

Matthew, i appricate your offer!
Here a drawing of my circuit.
Hope you make something out of it.
The timer is there for pulse duration.



BnB, thats a great schematic you published!

[elias]

I get this one going to 7K RPM @ 6 volts .5 amps while it is charging a battery.
in the vid it is only going 4100 RPM because I have 3 generator coils attached.
3PM Energizer on 6 Volts super-charging 12volts - YouTube
@ 12volts .9 amps while charging a battery it gets going to 20K RPM. it charges the secondary battery very nicely replenishing about 80% of the energy expended from the primary. this is not including the output of the generator coils. never had a problem with flying magnets on this build, they are pretty small though.

Patrick

That is impressive , may you post the exact specifications for the coils you have used? Wire size, turns, core? and also the type of the bearings you have used. 7K RPM for only 3 watts of input sounds something really exciting! 20 K RPM is mind blowing, are you alive?

Thanks

[Bit's-n-Bytes]

Question to all:

I have made 2 bifilar driving coils. Like Romero, i have put them in serie.
Does anybody have collected BEMF out of such setup?
I can charge up a cap with the BEMF, into hundreds of volts, but i fail in re-using it into the driving proces.

Any suggestion is helpfull....

Take a look at this.

Cheers

Bit's

[Matthew Jones]

Question to all:

I have made 2 bifilar driving coils. Like Romero, i have put them in serie.
Does anybody have collected BEMF out of such setup?
I can charge up a cap with the BEMF, into hundreds of volts, but i fail in re-using it into the driving proces.

Any suggestion is helpfull....

You could pulse it back into the system through regulator. If you describe the driving system I would be happy to outline a solution for you.
The biggest issue is how you collect it. How are things hooked up. You may need to disconnect the system input, you may need to disconnect the output capacitor before putting it back into the system.

But for instance you have 100 volt in 5000uf coil if you were to pulse that through step down mechanism you could drive a bit of amperage back into the front end. The cap most likely would NOT stay at 100 volt if were done faster than was being made but you can set the discharge rate to match the charge rate.
You could use an inductor as another coil so the process would contribute to the drive system.

There is alot possibilities but, knowing the existing configuration your running is key.

Matt

[pmazz850]

Question to all:

I have made 2 bifilar driving coils. Like Romero, i have put them in serie.
Does anybody have collected BEMF out of such setup?
I can charge up a cap with the BEMF, into hundreds of volts, but i fail in re-using it into the driving proces.

Any suggestion is helpfull....

Try putting a load on the cap for accelleration. Using the back emf should make the rotor accelerate. Load cant be too large. I used a small 4led bulb and it gave me acceleration.

[MonsieurM]

Question to all:

I have made 2 bifilar driving coils. Like Romero, i have put them in serie.
Does anybody have collected BEMF out of such setup?
I can charge up a cap with the BEMF, into hundreds of volts, but i fail in re-using it into the driving proces.

Any suggestion is helpfull....

this will provide you with a clue

from http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tic-field.html

http://www.eh-antenna.com/EH_HZ.pdf

It is possible to design antennas which will form only space waves due to the НZ vector. For this purpose it is obviously necessary that coils with counter inclusion of the field cause only a dominant rotary electric charge and eliminate linear motion electrons (current). This will allow the antenna to provide clean НZ radio communication. This antenna has the ability to communicate with other HZ antennas or with a EH Antenna. However, it can not communicate with a conventional Hertz antenna. This antenna consists of two coils and a cylinder

[stevie1001]

Question to all:

I have made 2 bifilar driving coils. Like Romero, i have put them in serie.
Does anybody have collected BEMF out of such setup?
I can charge up a cap with the BEMF, into hundreds of volts, but i fail in re-using it into the driving proces.

Any suggestion is helpfull....

[minoly]

I would like to view your video but it says sorry its private, how can I get access?

Sorry bout that, I put a several on private some time ago. I just edited it as link only - should work now
3PM Energizer on 6 Volts super-charging 12volts - YouTube
Patrick

[Slider2732]

^ same question from this Mark over here too

[Mark]

I get this one going to 7K RPM @ 6 volts .5 amps while it is charging a battery.
in the vid it is only going 4100 RPM because I have 3 generator coils attached.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tFTyYsB1QY

@ 12volts .9 amps while charging a battery it gets going to 20K RPM. it charges the secondary battery very nicely replenishing about 80% of the energy expended from the primary. this is not including the output of the generator coils. never had a problem with flying magnets on this build, they are pretty small though.

Patrick

I would like to view your video but it says sorry its private, how can I get access?

[ashtweth]

I am in the process of installing new magnets and new coils.
you will get a full report on all the specs. I never with hold information that can help others. to all


What was your volts/amps input at 8000 RPM ? the few measurement I did take at that speed where around 3.5 to 4 AMP at 8000 RPM at 12 volts.
at that speed the current is High but it can be controlled.

Rod is a lot faster when he gets on a motor bike


Ash

[minoly]

Rpm

I get this one going to 7K RPM @ 6 volts .5 amps while it is charging a battery.
in the vid it is only going 4100 RPM because I have 3 generator coils attached.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tFTyYsB1QY

@ 12volts .9 amps while charging a battery it gets going to 20K RPM. it charges the secondary battery very nicely replenishing about 80% of the energy expended from the primary. this is not including the output of the generator coils. never had a problem with flying magnets on this build, they are pretty small though.

Patrick

[elias]

I am in the process of installing new magnets and new coils.
you will get a full report on all the specs. I never with hold information that can help others. to all


What was your volts/amps input at 8000 RPM ? the few measurement I did take at that speed where around 3.5 to 4 AMP at 8000 RPM at 12 volts.
at that speed the current is High but it can be controlled.

That is a bit frightening. Double check everything on your rotor, and also make sure that your magnets ARE NOT TOO TIGHT on the mounting slots of your rotor, because they put extreme pressure on your rotor, and it will break suddenly. I suggest you put it vertically, so that if an accident happens, you be safe. Or at least mount some plexi around it.
I have felt how it will be if it explodes, plz take precautions.

I drive it upto 6000 RPM, by using 35V at about 2A. Your motor is quite small and efficient!

Will be doing some tests soon, and eager to hear about yours ...

Elias