Muller generator replication by Romerouk

[Shadesz]

I am going to install that coil in the Muller setup next. have been planing this for some time just need to work out the core type. what would you suggest?

I know the question wasn't directed to me, but I have been wanting to try this design for some time. I haven't had time to build anything yet and figured I would let you guys run with the idea if you want.

I am as sure that this will increase the results just as sure as I was when I suggested that you try a MuMetal core. It may need some tweaking, but I bet it will work.

IF SOMETHING DOESN'T MAKE SENSE PLEASE ASK



The idea is that as current starts to flow in the pickup coil, it creates a magnetic field that interacts with the rotor magnets in a positive way. Going along with Elias' theory of the need to minimize resistance and maximize inductance this is one idea I have come up with.

Basically you use large copper pickup wire along the length of the coil. This is hooked in series to a pancake coil or two that is made out of Litz wire. The Litz wire will help increase induction while minimizing resistance. It all can be Litz wire I suppose. Anyways, the pancake coils are in series with the pickup wire, and are connected in series (parallel to each other though) AFTER the pickup wire.

An even better idea than the pancake coils would be to build this particular version of the Rodin Starship coil. Check this out. (This would really maximize induction while minimizing resistance.)

Anyways, the design should work if coil inductance is participating the way I think it is. Like I said we may have to dial in the exact layout, but you should get the idea.

Oh, one other thing to note. IMHO the direction you should wind your coil is directly related to the pole you have facing the coil from the rotor magnet. The direction of winding will determine which coil induced pole faces the rotor magnet at certain times. If your coil isn't working like you want, try flipping the rotor magnets over. (Elias, that one was for you). Notice that in a Muller design, you will need to wind the coils on one side of the rotor opposite from coils on the other side. If I have it right, clockwise wound coils should face south poles and counterclockwise would coils face north poles.

This is already a lot to put in one post so I will cut it off there. Please ask any questions you may have.

[ron48]

Hi guys great going as usual hope to see a design for a free energy generator soon.

Some comments from romero about the speed up under load/shorting below
hope this helps you rod and elias and co???

The RPM has not only one critical window where the speed up takes place, in my experimenting I found more windows for that, all depending of the coil and other components. The magnet behind the coil will change the inductance and that can help too.
As for now I cannot see anyone having speed under load with a magnet behind the coil...

Regards,
Romero

Hi,
toranarod has a good progress and for now he is second in my list who has started to understand more of these effects.

One small tip for all who are working on speed under load, if you understand what I mean that can help a lot:
every coil has an inductance but when the rotor with the magnet is in front of the coil the inductance is changed. Think of a system to keep the coil natural inductance when the rotor magnet is in front of the coil.

Best regards and success all,
Romero

ron

[qvision]

As i said here :

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/8980-confirming-delayed-lenz-effect-2.html#post155378

Looking at the impedance formulas fat, high inductance coils should be best.

[mariuscivic]

ALL

Try to put a magnet behind the driving coil. In my setup it boosts the rpm at the same input power
(about the gold;I would like to have a coil with gold wire to see if there is any difference)

[elias]

The diode acts like a load with resistance, that is why it causes drag in the system. I think that you should go with your laminated cores that you used before, so that you can make a good comparison between the Adams style rotor and the Muller style rotor. I don't have much extra time these days to do the experiments, I do minor experiments every now and then. I have a full time job and that takes most of my time. I will quit my job if the experiments in the arena gets solid enough, and dedicate my full time to this, in order to get it out to the world. We might need to work together to get this out. Hopefully I will get some time to do some experimentation next week. Also don't forget to invest your cash in gold, it is rising up like mad.

Edit: This is a really good experiment: Difference Between Shorting and Loading, Delayed Lenz / Negative Lenz Effect - YouTube

[mariuscivic]

the one thing that's really peaked my interest is shorting the coil through the diode. when i short the coil through the bridge rectifier. its the same old Lenz law problem. short the coil directly and it very different effect. It speed up.
why does 1.4 volts make such a difference.

I have notice that too

[quantumuppercut]

Nice data.

Hm... I'm still wondering the slow down is due to eddy current or vibration when the core introduced. If we have a laminated and solid core of the same size, dimension and material, we can conclude this.

I agree with Elias about the fat coil. I think the property is L/R need to be as high as possible and the inductance is n^2/l telling that we can minimize the l by winding it flatter.

[toranarod]

Rod,
I think that coil geometry plays a significant role in manifesting the effect. According to my previous calculations, the flatter the coil is the more delay it takes for Lenz to start reacting. And to my surprise the best result you have got is with this coil on the picture which is more flat than your other coils:



What I have observed after countless experiments is the fact that the more eddy currents circulate on the core, the more acceleration seems to get manifested! But it is not of so much value, because of drag. Don't let those solid cores mislead you. I really think that we are at the verge of a revolution.

Keep up the good work!

Elias

I am going to install that coil in the Muller setup next. have been planing this for some time just need to work out the core type. what would you suggest?

[toranarod]

Apparently Muller was using coil shorting?!

Hello elias

sounds like you have done your home work on the Muller Motor.
very happy to get the info that suggest we are on the right track.
this is very reassuring.
how are your experiments going.

[elias]

Rod,
I think that coil geometry plays a significant role in manifesting the effect. According to my previous calculations, the flatter the coil is the more delay it takes for Lenz to start reacting. And to my surprise the best result you have got is with this coil on the picture which is more flat than your other coils:



What I have observed after countless experiments is the fact that the more eddy currents circulate on the core, the more acceleration seems to get manifested! But it is not of so much value, because of drag. Don't let those solid cores mislead you. I really think that we are at the verge of a revolution.

Keep up the good work!

Elias

[toranarod]

the one thing that's really peaked my interest is shorting the coil through the diode. when i short the coil through the bridge rectifier. its the same old Lenz law problem. short the coil directly and it very different effect. It speed up.
why does 1.4 volts make such a difference.
so its not about load as more about Voltage potential in relation to current flow.
we are looking at the phase shift and lag in the magnetic.
I feel like an explorer walking the path of the great explorers.

interesting how solid steel cores bring out the effect considerably but are not the best choice for a final prototype.

I think what we will end up with is not acceleration under load just no Lenz drag at all. a Lenz neutral generator.

I am waiting on the Black Iron Oxide - Fe3O4 to make some cores.

[frenky]

@ROD:

Great setup you have there

I was thinking how to find the best way to document data for this effect.

I think the right way is to increase voltage of the DC motor from 1V to 10V (depends on the motor) in 0,5V (or smaller) steps and take current and rpm reading in each step and then plot the data in the chart below.

Do this without the coil and with shorted coil for each core type.

This way you will find the sweet spot (a bump in rpm) for every material.
And if you could measure coil inductance with each core it would be great.

This way we would get some really great insight into this effect and relation between frequency, inductance and core type.

Keep up the good work

P.S.
I Would love to test this myself and I have all the tools to do this only the time is working against me.
Thank you for sharing all the info open to the public.

[elias]

I posted this in the other thread but meant to post it here...

Thought this would be a good time to mention this, from Bill Muller's website. It's about timing the circuitry of your generator coils.


Muller Power.com ... Articles pertaining to Bill Muller's Motor/Generators

Rod, I would love if you sent me that program you wrote... relating to the driving coil. How do you want me to get you my e-mail?

Apparently Muller was using coil shorting?!

[elias]

my observation yesterday before the bridge burnt out was better than zero drag. The acceleration pasted no coil installed.
I have just been all over looking for Schottky diodes

If you want the program Email me. no problem.

I will try with Schottky diodes today I have plenty of them! I would have come to your place if i were in Australia. Thanks for your work!

[toranarod]

I posted this in the other thread but meant to post it here...

Thought this would be a good time to mention this, from Bill Muller's website. It's about timing the circuitry of your generator coils.


Muller Power.com ... Articles pertaining to Bill Muller's Motor/Generators

Rod, I would love if you sent me that program you wrote... relating to the driving coil. How do you want me to get you my e-mail?

my observation yesterday before the bridge burnt out was better than zero drag. The acceleration pasted no coil installed.
I have just been all over looking for Schottky diodes

If you want the program Email me. no problem.